User talk:WCFrancis

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Welcome to Visitors

Stern looking self portrait taken at work.
Note time - I hadn't had enough coffee yet. *"Obviously", added a minor vandal.*

Hi, all. Welcome to my User talk page.

Since it's mine, I'll make some requests. (no, I did not say "rules", but it is up to me, within limitations.)

Please sign your input with 4 tildes (~~~~).
Please register and login before you leave me a note.
I will not edit your entries with any intent to deceive but I may correct minor errors, such as grammar and spelling.
If there is any doubt about your meaning, I'll ask for clarification on your User talk.
If you have any doubt about my meaning, please feel free to ask.
You may note I like to keep both sides of exchanges here. I realize not everybody does this, but I like having the continuity of a discussion right in front of me.
I may also use this space for commentary.
I may put old (signed) messages in linked archives at my discretion. I just made the first move. I will put continue to put links in the next section as I create new archival pages.

WCFrancis Updated 00:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Stalking the Wild Vandal

I do not have any statistics, but I occasionally look at the Recent Changes made by individuals with only IP addresses. Some are vandalizing. This quasi-random sampling of vandalism shows that almost all cases are reverted within five minutes and many are reverted in seconds. Once I discovered that I was trying to revert simultaneously with another user.

The vandals must not realize that they can't even get 15 minutes of notoriety out of their defacing of entries. I can't understand what the payoff is for these people. What is the fracking point? Unfortunately, I also can't get the disgusting image out of my head of a drooling moron in soiled adult diapers sitting in front of a computer giggling uncontrollably at his cleverness and wit.

WCFrancis 17:35, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree more. The negative "creativity" could be put to such better uses. I am reminded of the frustration of young and confused Holden Caulfield in J.D. Salinger's The Catcher in the Rye who was discouraged by all the "F---You" graffiti he found and the hopelessness felt that although he worked fervently at eradicating it, undoubtedly even more was being "created" faster than he could get rid of it. Fortunately, WP seems blessed with the opposite ratio, or at least a balance. I also scan all changes to my 1400 watched pages for IP addresses, and I find a large proportion are vandalization entries. BTW, if you are not a WP admin, you should become one, as there are better tools available for helping in this effort. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:23, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

Mark - Thanks - I think. I don't know whether I'm ready for being an Admin. I still think of myself as a newbie. After all, I only started in early March 2005. WCFrancis 05:15, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's all good. Just pass along any notice you take of "significant vandals", which I define as those with multiple edits and/or particularily malicious or pornographic edits. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 05:20, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

Jeez. I was going to copy my response to your talk page after switching computers (so my wife could use the Velocity) and you beat me to the punch. WCFrancis 05:46, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

LCP info

Good info on LCP superfund site. I'd suggest it should go over to the Brunswick GA article. Thought I'd ask you first. -- WCFrancis 20:25, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think it should go there. Just yesterday we heard on the radio something about superfund sites and how only a few of them had been cleaned up, and I asked about the one here. Bubba73 20:41, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Or maybe Glynn County. I do not remember whether the property is inside the city limits or not. Checking...-WCFrancis 02:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is outside the city limits, but not too far. Glynn County may be the better article to include it. Cross references between articles on lacal areas will ensure that folks can find it. Current owner is Allied Signal, according to County online GIS. --WCFrancis 03:01, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I thought there was something about it at Brunswick or Glynn, but I don't see it there. It is a Brunswick address, so it could go in either. PS: It is mentioned at St. Simons, Georgia. Bubba73 03:30, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I moved it into both Glynn County and Brunswick pages, since I still haven't decided which it should be in. -WCFrancis 13:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

===GLYNN COUNTY Superfund sites

Brunswick Wood Preserving GAD981024466 Unincorporated area
Hercules 009 Landfill GAD980556906 Unincorporated area
LCP Chemicals Georgia GAD099303182 Unincorporated area
Terry Crk Drdge Spoil Areas/Herc Outfall GAD982112658 Within City Limits

Water

Okay. Topic articles include Water, Drinking water, Tap water and Bottled water. Is this getting out of hand? May be necessary to do merge & redirect -- WCFrancis 06:39, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also, note the definition that leads off the wastewater article is: "Wastewater is any water that has been adversely affected in quality by any anthropogenic influence." which is true but an awfully high-falutin' was of saying "used water". --WCFrancis 06:52, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rover

Check the Prisoner Companion (if it can be found) for further info on original rover. I remember reading it was a driverless Volkswagon that sank (in spite of the VW ads). -- WCFrancis 13:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB has this to say in Trivia:

"Rover", the menacing white balloon that acts as a surreal sentry in The Village, was supposed to have been a large robotic machine. During the filming of the first episode, it was supposed to travel across water on a pair of rails hidden under the surface. The machine fell off the rails and into the water, damaging the motors inside. Just then, a weather balloon passed by, and McGoohan came upon the idea of "Rover" being a large white balloon that traveled by itself. The reason the cast stands still as Rover wanders past is because the balloon is being pulled by a wire. The shots were then run backwards, and edited into the film (In one episode, smoke can be seen drifting back into a chimney in the distance as Rover passes by).

-- WCFrancis 13:58, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lirs and Leering Liars

Because of iminent deletion for cause, Article Lirs archived here due to my continuing fascination with the stuff people come up with. This is interesting because of the search for verification of what appears to have been a grad school stunt in 1973. WCFrancis 13:16 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Ladying

I don't think you made a mistake at all by listing this at AfD. Articles that have been deleted via the AfD route that are recreated are eligible for a speedy, but this one didn't fall in that category. Good call. Joyous (talk) 03:00, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I usually try to make sure regarding what meets criteria for speedy deletion. After all it's easier to put a speedy tag and go on than to set up on AfD properly. -WCFrancis 03:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

To editor of Ladying

It's hard to use your talk page when you do not have an account, because your IP address changes; it is one of a block of addresses used by Earthlink. Whne you first edited the discussion regarding deletion, you were on 207.69.139.193. When you asked the question re: the stub your IP was 207.69.139.150. This makes it hard to communicate using the wiki software's talk page feature. By registering for an account(free) you can be identified by name or handle and it is easier to ask questions and get answers.

What was the stub article you worked on? -WCFrancis 16:33, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Also see my comments on Talk:Ladying from Sept 15, 2005.

Vandalism?

I really don't see how the subject of that USF profesor telling his kids to express themselves as unique individuals using a medium that he thought was free to all ideas and speech has anything to do with you making such a pompous comment about vandalism. It really doesn't make you sound smarter nor does it give you any more authority... it really just makes you look like an ass. Yes he made a simple mistake but sending "stern" e-mails to the president of that university is kind of rediculous is uncalled for because you are messing with that guys job for making up a word... Get Over It.

71.100.15.176 16:22, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Tampa.

Before you sound off on the topic of vandalism I suggest you review Wikipedia:Vandalism. I am not defining what is vandalism on Wikipedia; that has been defined already.

I expect a certain level of responsibility from a professor. That responsibility extends to checking out what he thought was "a medium that he thought was free to all ideas and speech" to understand the limitations that are agreed on by the community and monitored by unpaid volunteers. Performing acts of vandalism (again, not MY word) is bad enough; many users are kept quite busy cleaning up the messes made by individuals who make "deliberate attempts to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia". But to deliberately incite and even require this kind of activity is totally irresponsible for a professor.

My comment referred back to a suggestion to block all IP addresses from the University of Florida. I thought that the President of the University should know about this before he found out otherwise that no one at USF could edit anonymously.

I am not "messing with that guys job for making up a word".

"That guy" is responsible for his own actions.
"Making up a word" is not a problem. Posting it on Wikipedia as a hoax is a problem.
There is no way to assume good faith based on his actions.
I was suggesting an alternative action. I did not personally take any action; I did not send email or letter.

As for my use of "stern" it was in the sense of "this is serious". I will accept that the choice of word may have been better. "Polite but stern" was the exact phrase, and it was used as an echo of the previous entry which used that exact phase.

Other things you may want to review:

To other readers of this

Reference Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects#University_of_South_Florida

I have kept this message in spite of the lack of registration of the sender (see second request in Wecome to Visitors above) because I thought it was worthy of a serious response. -WCFrancis 17:18, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fuckthesouth.com

There is currently discussion on Articles for Deletion regarding an article titled Fuck the South. Afd Link. The article is about a web site Fuck the South. The article also includes link to Southern Myths, one of several websites created in response to and as rebuttal against Fuck the South

My off-topic rant

Once I read the Fuck the South site, I had to put the following on the AfD page. If I was out of line, I hope I will be forgiven. I did not look at the other site before I did; I probably shoud have. I recommend doing that before you become airbourne from the grip (fly off the handle) if you are from the South and/or if you are upset by the spew of hate.

Abstain at this time, because I am too disturbed by the website itself. I am from the South. The website that the article refers to is a hate-filled misinformed rant directed against a small percentage of southerners, the ones Hollywood uses as cliché villains. Yes, there are Bubbas who own assault rifles and fly the Confederate battle flag (and might not recognize any of the real Confederate flags). They are a minority. This is the Bible Belt so there are people who think they are Christians preaching hate against homosexuals. Those two groups alone do not make a majority, but voting with other conservatives and some moderates get a slight majority. Nationally, in the 2004 presidential race Bush received 50.7% and Kerry received 48.7% of the of the popular vote. To assume that everyone in the South thinks the same way based on which party wins elections is just wrong. The web site just is another divisive factor in the United States, based on regionalism instead of some other prejudice. Ask yourself as you think about this AfD - is notoriety the same thing as notability? I will vote later, after I have had some time to think and to review the Wikipedia article for NPOV and to review policies. -WCFrancis 23:58, 17 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I put this here 00:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC) -WCFrancis

My First Vote

I gave this some thought and surprised myself with this :

Taco Deposit did a good job on keeping the article here NPOV. Rant itself is quite stale; that is it was posted a couple of days after the election and there appears to be no new material since. Why someone is so filled with hate as to pay to keep it up is a mystery. However, I feel that documentation of divisive elements in the US itself is notable. Weak Merge with Election Controversy section of US Presidential Election 2004 article would be something I would prefer to keeping it as separate article. -WCFrancis 04:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I added this:

Red_state_vs._blue_state_divide#Polarization would be a better alternate for merge. WCFrancis 20:57, 21 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Return of FucktheSouth.com

00:29, 25 September 2005 (UTC) Well, folks, It's been on Articles for Undeletion and has returned to AfD for a second round. My entry at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fuck the South 2 follows:

Delete I voted in the previous afd after I posted a rather off-topic rebuttal to the subject web site (apologies again), but that included the question "is notoriety the same thing as notability?" which I consider to still be apropos and on topic. After I cooled off and reviewed the article and rebuttal sites on the web, I became the sole Merge, suggesting Red_state_vs._blue_state_divide#Polarization and Election Controversy section of US Presidential Election 2004 article as alternatives to provide some information regarding divisive elements in the US which I think is notable in appropriate article(s). I expressed that I preferred that to keeping it as separate article. I should have included that this was not a keep but Delete if not merged. WCFrancis 00:22, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Userfied at User:Xoloz/Mythoughts

Xoloz comments on the South from his viewpoint

Howdy WC,

I'm from the South, you know; I've got family there that I love (although I can't talk politics with them), I know there are liberals there fighting the noble fight, and I can't find better food anywhere -- when I make a condemnation of "The South," I'm not condemning every person, or even every aspect of the culture.

One of the primary reason for my stridency is this: at least in my experience, "not rocking the boat" is a key part of the Southern mentality. For example, I spent six of my formative years in Lynchburg, VA, the home of Jerry Falwell. Plenty of people there despise (even in his lion's den, as it were), and will secretly say he's a bit of a baffoon. But, ask them to take a stand, and you get, "He's a preacher; I can't do that!"

Now, I'm also multiracial. And, living in MS, I've had people of color (still afflicted by the double veil of consciousness) refuse to speak up when they been scorned, mocked, or (more rarely nowadays) subject to de jure discrimination. "That's just the way things are down here" has not died out as a refrain.

So, what I am to do? I don't feel like condemning my relatives of any color for lack of courage -- I know why they think what they think. And, it's unfair, in a way, even to single out one person as a target of my anger -- they are products of their culture. I'm left to rail against "the culture" as a deliberately amorphous and appropriate target. Something is broken in the South's social system, and it has been since 1619 at least. In a way, its gotten "better", but really its just become subterranean and harder to classify.

All of this is something I keep to myself most of the time, since I am fortunately safe in Yankee-land. However, when I saw people calling "FTS" "a hate site," I sorta lost it. This is why the comparison to the Nazis rose to the front for me. As I explained to Blackcap, for me, calling "FTS" a "hate site" is like calling Simon Weisenthal a "hate-monger" for Nazi hunting. Sure, FTS and the late Mr. Weisenthal, in a strict sense, "hate" their targets; but this "hate" -- also my "hate" -- is of a different, more justified kind than, say, AryanNations.com -- plenty of people of color hate the South for its crimes against them and their ancestors, and we are not alone, as I listed the aggrieved in my comment.

If one thinks FTS is vulgar, well it is, but that isn't a ground of deletion; if one thinks it non-notable, fine, although I suspect it was only non-notable where they lived. But calling it a "hate site" is such a complicated, vexing claim -- with a bit of truth, but only after great qualifications are made -- and to call it such offhand, as part of a three-word comment, apparently without much thought (as many did) -- that was it: I had to speak out against what is in my view a gross over-simplication, and I do not regret doing so.

I do not believe the South is on par with Nazi Germany; I use such rhetoric to remind people (especially complacent Southerners) that it used to be 140 years ago, and, in the spirit of prevention, it could be again, since the theocrats, with whom I am also well-acquainted, are dangerously powerful done there. I do hate "the culture", not individual people, as much as I hate anything, because "the culture" allowed one-half my ancestors to enslave, scorn, and murder the other half. Although I, as a spirtual person, always work toward discarding my hate, I'd be a liar to say that I have succeeded in this matter as of yet.

So, I like any liberal, any real intellectual, any modern Democrat anywhere, and I understand that the South makes them: it made me. But the South and I have some serious problems, and they are the kind of problems I can't mask over when I feel the need to speak out.

If I changed your vote on the AfD, I thank you for your consideration. I have not gone back there because I've said what I needed to say, and I don't want to lose my temper needlessly. I do hope you understand. Whether you do or don't, feel free to write anytime. :)

Thanks, Xoloz 07:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. It is a delight to meet you, in spite of the subject of our conversation. I think that we feel similarly regards my adopted home and your birthhome, within the limitations imposed by other accidents of bith. We expressed our feelings differently a the AfD page but this conversation has helped me understand. Thanks again.WCFrancis 13:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Local stuff

War of Jenkins' Ear, Battle of Bloody Marsh and Fort Frederica

-WCFrancis 23:07, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To Bubba73 on his talk page:

Just did some research and made some minor edits to Battle of Bloody Marsh including removing siesta reference you questioned. Still a stub but better, I think. -WCFrancis 23:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Is AfD broken?

I just read an analysis of Wkipedia problems at User talk:Doc glasgow/wiki-musings and left these comments on that page for Doc Glasgow

- your analysis is well thought out. I see Wikipedia as anarchy in spite of founders' comments that it is not. The only solution I can perceive is requiring registration and login before any editing is allowed. I agree that this is not wiki-like, but many vandals have learned how to game the system by logging off their ISP and logging back on to force a new IP address to be assigned. This would not solve all the problems, and it would likely result in thousands more sockpuppets for blocked users, a distinct disadvantage without verification of identity for issuing login, even less wiki-like. There is no good answer. Especially since it appears that more growth is happening with vandals and newbies (who don't want to bother with such things as actually reading policies and guidelines before they edit). It appears to me that we need broader criteria for Speedy Deletion as well, to reduce the AfD load. -WCFrancis 00:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Types of Articles Clogging AfD

The arterial plaque of Wikipedia: (not in any order):

Garage Bands
Websites
1. Web-Comics
2. Blogs
3. Webforums
Stubs that could have been redirected
Lists unmanageble and POV. (If this were an article it would describe itself).

Note to visitors: you are welcome to add to this list if you desire. Admins/scripters: numbers would be great. WCFrancis 05:43, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Social Technology

Dear friend,

“Social Technology” is my first article at Wikipedia. I am new to this world of web publishing. Please pardon me for any errors that I have made and may make due to my ignorance of the norms and rules of the Wikipedia community.

This summer some good ideas occurred to me and I put them down in this article. In the article, I defined the term “Social Technology” and some basic areas to think and work upon.

Then I heard about Wikipedia where any one can contribute and enhance an article. I felt that this was a great place for ideas. I thought that many more ideas would come in and the article would be enhanced.

I posted it from my web log http://neeray.blogspot.com to this site. Unfortunately I forgot to post the copy right notice and a very vigilant member noticed the same article on my web log and marked it for copyright violation. I am very happy that people here are very vigilant. I have now posted the copy right message under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 on the “Social Technology temporary page” and in the article on my web log too.

Then I worked a little on the temporary page and find that now this is marked for deletion for “Rambling”. These are tiny seedlings of ideas. Please do not delete them even before they are seen and flower into something better. Please advise me as to what should I do to improve this article.

I have great faith in the collective wisdom of the people. That is what this article is about. Please do whatever is right according to the rules and norms of the community.

I tried posting this at Articles for Deletion page but it is not showing there. Please tell me what to do.

Best regards, Nirupma Kapoor

neeray 05:46, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Hello, Neeray. If you would take a look at Wikipedia:Deletion policy it might help you to understand. In the case of "Social Technology" the real reason for deletion that I see is what Wikipedians call "Original Research". By what you say, this meets that criteria. There is also the issue of verifiability, which means finding supporting information in a distinct and unrelated source. (of course, your blog would not qualify for that.) The mission here is to create an encyclopedia, not a set of random articles. This is not to say your work is worthless. It has value, we all have need for original thinkers to lead the way. Unfortunately this is not the place for introducing new ideas.

Now, to save it, you can always put it in part of your user space, for example, right here on this page (ed. note: his talk page). There is much more flexibility on what an editor can put in his own userspace. You can also create subpages (just as you did for the temp page) by creating & editing (for example) "User:Nirupama.Kapoor/temp" and putting your information there. This is allowed - at least I hope it is, since I've done it.

Another suggestion: find another wiki that is less restrictive than Wikipedia - one such is Wikinfo

Hope this is helpful,

WCFrancis 06:01, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Neeray responds

Dea friend,

Thank you.

Best regards, Nirupma Kapoor

neeray 06:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC

Thanks (Boosh related)

Thanks for adding the merge tag on the Dixon Bainbridge article, I was tired and missed that step. Alf ^melmac 07:50, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on a quest to find a way to deal with stuff/cruft that does not involve going to the bogged down AfD whenver possible. Tiny articles that can be merged instead of deleted are in that category. I was not aware of The Mighty Boosh at first and there were some new articles about it without context. When I found something with context I went back replacing sppedy tags with merge tags. Sometime in the midst of that I caught the one on Dixon Bainbridge. WCFrancis 16:02, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Harlan and Gabe comment

Posted on Talk page for Harlan Ellison:

I agree stongly with Codemonkey that this rumor-mongering is totally out of place if Wikimedia is serious about being a real encyclopedia. It is highly POV (It was worse before the mention of Ellison's comments) reporting of a minor incident. I happen to believe Harlan's version. Giving weight to a rant posted on the internet by someone who either could not make the effort to even spell "Harlan" right in his posting or thought it would be a cute insult to spell it incorrectly is as inappropriate here as the personal attacks in that rant would be. Keeping it here weakens Wikipedia. If it were to result in an edit war, then page protection would be in order.WCFrancis 09:51, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

This is what it said.

"On September 25, 2005 Ellison made a perceived slight to Mike "Gabe" Krahulik of Penny Arcade at the 7th Foolscap science fiction convention. Krahulik described his version of the encounter on his web site, including an urban legend connected to Ellison. [1] The urban legend has been discounted by snopes. [2] Ellison posted a response on his own website, claiming he never intended to insult. [3][4]"

I just removed this. We'll see what happens. WCFrancis 03:13, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More: From the con chair on the alleged incident.

Hank Graham <[email protected]>
Seattle, WA - Tuesday, September 27 2005 14:18:9 ANOTHER word from the chair

sigh*

Harlan didn't put on a hat because Harlan wasn't provided with a hat. It was A JOKE. We had cheap, silly-looking jester's caps for Gabe & Tycho, and a legal pad (another type of "foolscap," for those of you who didn't know) for Harlan.
I think Harlan was mildly amused by this nonsense, as he was meant to be. (And if he wasn't, I expect he'll let me know.) The look on his face while I was handing out the hats was the setup that made the payoff worthwhile. In any event, he gave a mild smile when he saw the paper, and realized that no, I was not going to try to get him to wear a silly hat.
Gabe wasn't trying to needle Harlan when he asked if Harlan would like to wear one, I think, although it may have been perceived that way.
Due to some scheduling problems, we were not able to have Gabe & Tycho around the convention as we'd have liked. That's actually part of the reason we ended up overworking Harlan.
Among the missed opportunities there, I had hoped to have panels where all of our GOH's could meet. Gabe and Harlan are a lot more similar than they are different, and they share a lightning-fast wit I don't have, and have always envied.
They also share a basic quality of being genuinely nice guys who try to do the right thing. You can see that with Harlan's insistence to keep working the programming schedule he'd been presented, because he's a professional and he didn't want to disappoint anyone. You can also see it with Gabe & Tycho, who couldn't participate fully due to scheduling problems, and so turned down all payment for their appearance at Foolscap this weekend.
To the many partisans dismissing the works of either Harlan or Gabe and Tycho, my answer is that you should go look at what you're missing.

[5] WCFrancis 04:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just finished reading a large portion of the shitstorm on Unca Harlan's Art Deco Dining Pavilion of trolls and people bashing and defending Harlan. <sarcasm>Another shining example of what the internet is doing for society</sarcasm>. `WCFrancis 05:04, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:Acropolis now returns greeting

Hello and thank you

Hello, Acropolis_now here. Thank you for leaving me a welcome message and advice as to how best to edit Wikipaedia (which I think should have a dipthong in it.) I'm not very technically minded but I'll get there in the end:)

I think it's strange that we both voted delete on the pagan association page and also dislike that f*** the south abomination.

Out of interest, have you done any tutoring/teaching work, as you seem very academically minded for a water expert?

Do you know, I didn't realise Acropolis Now was the name of a film/sitcom until I wrote it in the search bar by mistake instead of my user page.

I'll sign off now and see if I can get the tildes to work.

P.S. My real name is Kath.

P.P.S. Is this the right place to leave this sort of message? Acropolis now 20:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The welcome message is actually a template or form of shortcut. What I put in was : {{subst:welcome}} which substitutes the text on the template page.

I have only been doing things on Wikipedia since March 05 and still remember how I felt when I first started looking around, so I have been trying to welcome new editors as I note them when checking out new articles or article changes.

I am not a teacher or tutor; however, a portion of my job is Public Education, and I have done presentations at conferences and meetings, as well as in schools. The Public Education work led to Wkipedia in the first place, while researching water topics. I take your comment about my academic mindedness as a compliment, and humbly thank you. (That sounds a bit much. I sometimes wander into the area of being pedantic.)

User talk pages are the right place for the sort of message you left. Kath, it's a pleasure to virtually meet you. -WCFrancis 03:04, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]