Talk:Gog and Magog

"During the 20th Century, Gog as Central Eurasia became the driving force behind the Aryan movement culminating in the attempts of "The Fatherland's Nazis" to reach "The Central Eurasian Motherland" through invading Russia. Aryanism has not yet died and many texts concerning Central Eurasian Ethnology are still littered with Aryanistic ideas. It is conceivable that a form of Central Eurasian Aryanism may yet raise its head again as a motivating force in a White Supremacist World movement."

Do you or anyone else have a reference for this stuff? --- Smerdis of Tlön 14:43, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Move to Gog and Magog?

Based on its material, shouln't this page be at Gog and Magog, instead of just Gog? - Kevin Saff 18:34, 4 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC, "Gog," "Magog," "Gog and Magog", and "Gogmagog" all redirect here. Since we're dealing with several closely related names with different meanings, dealing with them in a single article strikes me as the easiest way. If you move the page, it will be necessary to change each redirect page so they all point to the new page. I don't think it would be a particularly good idea to split the legendary giants from the Biblical figures, since it seems to me that there is some kind of cross-pollination there, even if it is rather murky. Smerdis of Tlön 20:31, 4 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Totnes vs. Totness

Hi, I'm doing some cleaning up work for Daniel Quinlan's Redirect Project. In the part Gog and Magog in England you quote: While Brutus, on a certain Festival day, solemnly kept on that shore where he first landed, and ad Totness as that place between parantheses. But Totness is a place in Suriname (see Coronie), shouldn't the link point to Totnes, a sea-side city in Devon, England? Or is Totness an accepted alternative way of writing Totnes? Hope you can clarify things for me, Peak Freak 12:42, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I suspect it is in fact Totnes. Google yields more than 600 hits for "Totness Devon" and more than 90,000 for "Totnes Devon." Smerdis of Tlön 13:42, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sun goes where?

Maybe I'm missing something, but in my land the sun sets in the west and rises in the east...

Not when Daylight Saving Time is in effect. Still, I have changed that reference. -- Smerdis of Tlön 17:07, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

COTGOG

GOG is the chief diety in his own religon, COTGOG. He is depicted as a large golden dragon that spans multiple dimensions, and his presence on this plane is that of the sun.

Has anyone other than the contributor who added this heard of it, or have a source for this? -- Smerdis of Tlön 15:23, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yugor

why does Yugor redirect here? dab (ᛏ) 09:16, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Original text of Yugor was

Yugor is the english transliteration of a Russian rendering of a Turkic form of Yagug/Yajuj the Arabic term for Gog.

I have no idea whether this is true. Septentrionalis 02:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This strikes me as phonetically unlikely; while the Arabic reflex Yajuj-Majuj keeps the basic pattern, and we also have the Qur'an text that seems related to the Bible text, getting from /g/ to /r/ strikes me as phonologically unlikely. I suspect this may be an original claim. Smerdis of Tlön 15:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think what is being alleged is an error of transcription when some unspecified Russian author discussed Turkic mythology; in any case, this is unsourced. It also may be a slur on the obscure Central Asian people mentioned in the articles which link to Yugor; I have no idea. It certainly shouldn't be included without more information - but now an expert (and this is well out of my field) will have something to start from. Septentrionalis 19:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup label

Don't see where anyone has left a comment explaining why this article should bear the cleanup label. Unless someone steps forward with a plan for the desired improvements, I am inclined to remove it. Smerdis of Tlön 19:21, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]