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If you are contacting me because I am an admin near the beginning of the alphabetical list, please first read Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. --Arcadian (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Paresthesia

I saw your edits at Paresthesia. Care to throw your two cents in here?[1] Thanks. Suntag (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think I can help you there. --Arcadian (talk) 17:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "Hepatitis, viral, human"

A page you created, Hepatitis, viral, human, has been tagged for deletion, as it meets one or more of the criteria for speedy deletion; specifically, it has no content, other than external links, categories, "see also" sections, rephrasing of the title, and/or chat-like comments.

You are welcome to contribute content which complies with our content policies and any applicable inclusion guidelines. However, please do not simply re-create the page with the same content. You may also wish to read our introduction to editing and guide to writing your first article.

Thanks. Oliver202 (talk) 23:15, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Navbox request

As a template wizard, do you think it would be a good idea to split off a seperate epilepsy navigation box from {{Diseases of the nervous system}} ? If yes, could you create one? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure -- what do you think it should be called? "Epilepsy"? "Seizures and epilepsy?" I know there was a lot of controversy on wiki recently over how we were defining "seizure", so I'd want to tread lightly here. --Arcadian (talk) 23:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Seizures and epilepsy sounds fine. By the way, did I already ask you if you had the assessment gadget turned on in your preferences, or was that JFW? Anyway, it's useful to remind a stub creator like yourself to assess articles (thus categorising them under WP:MED). --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:10, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Done - Template:Seizures and epilepsy. --Arcadian (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! However, do we need both a general CNS and an epilepsy navbox on epilepsy articles? Can we use a toggle show-hide button? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 07:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I set it up so that the 6 high-level epilepsy topics (like Focal seizures) showed up on both Template:CNS diseases of the nervous system and Template:Seizures and epilepsy, but the 17 more detailed topics (like Frontal lobe epilepsy) only showed up on the dedicated epilepsy template. In my opinion, that breadcrumb arrangement maximizes the ease in which users can narrow or broaden their focus, but feel free to rearrange as needed. Per your second question -- the default behavior for Template:Navbox is to automatically hide the details when more than one nav is on the page (see Template:Navbox#Setup_parameters for details.) --Arcadian (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

ICD10 code

Can you fix the ICD10 code at Acute alcohol intoxication? It's Y91.x, but I couldn't figure out how to make the link work. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Arcadian (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

		The Minor Barnstar
		For knowing how to fix the ICD-10 links in the infoboxes, and for using that knowledge to help me! WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! --Arcadian (talk) 00:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine Featured Topic Task Force proposal

Hey Arcadian, I've just set up a proposal for a new task force in the WikiProject Medicine called FTTF, or the Featured Topic Task Force. We aim to create a featured topic for medicine, most likely to do with an infectious disease of some form (the proposals so far include polio and bacterial infections in general) and become the first medical featured topic. The proposal can be found here and further discussion can be found at the bottom of the WikiProject Medicine talk page. I've very much appreciate your comments and possibly support of such a proposal, if you'd be willing to take part! —Cyclonenim^T@lk? 13:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I can't make specific commitments, but I will keep an eye on it, and help nudge things forward where I can. --Arcadian (talk) 05:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Help needed

Hello. Could you please edit the template Template:Antithrombotics, because I need to know which drugs from this class are discontinued. :-) Carlo Banez (talk) 11:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know the general answer to your question, but if you have a question about a specific agent, I may be able to help. You may also want to offer your opinion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(medicine-related_articles)#Drug_navboxes -- there's a discussion there about defining standards for notating experimental and discontinued drugs in the infoboxes. --Arcadian (talk) 12:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Titin

Thanks for this. :-) --David Iberri (talk) 13:07, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Happy to help. I admire your patience. --Arcadian (talk) 20:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

howardbloom.net

Hi, I found howardbloom.net is used as reference in the article War against Islam. Is this RS? I found no editorial board in this site. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 04:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't think I'm familiar enough with the subject to be of service here. --Arcadian (talk) 02:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for dropping by - its good to know there are wikipedians out there willing to help out those just beginning. Any who, I just wanted to let you know that I copied the article to my personal Sandbox for editing (prior to public release) - User:FoodPuma/Infoboxes. Feel free to make edits there if you wish, I just wanted a place to try changing things without messing up the entire article! Cheers!--FoodPuma (talk) 23:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I split Osteochondritis and Osteochondritis dissecans -- since you're being graded on your contributions, splitting now would probably be less disruptive than splitting later. Good luck. --Arcadian (talk) 02:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey! So I have been editing [Osteochondritis dissecans]] for a little while now and was wondering if you could stop by and take a look. I just wanted to make sure that my edits have put the references and information I've included in the right place (EG: I wasn't completely sure if I should "Functional Anatomy" should be under 'Cause' or 'Pathophysiology.' Thanks again! FoodPuma (talk) 21:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it works under Pathophysiology, but there is some flexibility in how the rules are applied. I'd recommend that you read not only Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles), but also Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles), so you can get a sense of how the community interprets the manual of style. --Arcadian (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah! I was actually doing some research at school and posted that info under surgery in the article because I was leaving and needed to save it! I was really hoping no one would see it until I got home to put the citations in... what timing eh? I had actually seen the <refname=/> just a couple of days ago but haven't had a chance to go back and clean it up yet. Again, thanks for helping me out! FoodPuma (talk) 21:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, I just checked out that citation device and it works great! Thanks for sharing the wealth! FoodPuma (talk) 21:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello again! Perhaps you remember helping me out just a couple of days ago. Well, I've improved some on my article and have now listed it for Peer Review as I prepare to nominate it for GA status. If you wouldn't mind dropping by it's peer review page, you're input would be much appreciated! Thanks! FoodPuma (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

RE: New articles needed

Hello. Could you please create an article about the drugs gefarnate and teprenone? These are drugs used for the treatment of gastric ulcers. :-) Carlo Banez (talk) 14:09, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Arcadian (talk) 15:46, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Ileostomy

I see that you added a "surgical intervention" template to the above article some time ago however quite a number of the links don't work. Could you have a look at it? Thanks Richerman (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the broken links. --Arcadian (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

AfD for C9orf3

I thought you might be interested to know that I have posted a longer reason as to why I think this gene should be deleted which I did not, through niavity, include in my original arguement. Dpmuk (talk) 11:12, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification. --Arcadian (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Intensive care navbox

As a specialist navboxer, I'd like your opinion and maybe copy-editing of {{Intensive care medicine}}. cheers, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Looks good! Three thoughts: First, I've updated the separators, per the new standard defined at per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(medicine-related_articles)#Navigation_boxes. (I'm not in a hurry to convert the old ones, but for new one I try to comply.) Second, I try to minimize the use of "General terms" as much as possible, because it makes it hard for subsequent editors to know where to place content. Finally, the "Conditions" box is rather long, so you might want to divide those by system (I usually try to follow ICD-10 ordering as much as I can.) But these are just quibbles -- I think you did a good job. --Arcadian (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Just remember to not add a space before {{·}} ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 20:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Could you look at this?

Hi Arcadian. I have a trouble because of this ban request at the ANI. Things are getting from bad to worse, with people coming to my talk page to accuse me of WP:COI violations in Biology articles. Could you please look at the article in question and check if it complies with WP:NPOV. WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability? And of course, you are very welcome to fix any problems if necessary. Perhaps I should stop editing political subjects... Thanks a lot. I also asked Tim about this.Biophys (talk) 16:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I have responded here. --Arcadian (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

BBS7

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Tag removed. --Arcadian (talk) 12:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Ah, rats!

I was going to suggest that you should become an administrator, only to find you already are! Also, I notice you're a medical student. Are you in the UK? I ask only because I want to follow the same route, interested in your opinions etc. :) Hope everything's okay.

—Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm pleased to make your acquaintance more formally, seeing how our paths cross all the time. I'm in the US, where the process is a little different. But if I had to give one piece of advice, apart from the cliches: volunteer in hospitals as often as you can. Good luck! --Arcadian (talk) 21:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I know, I see you all over the place (especially with template work) so it's good to finally say "Hi!" properly. IMHO, the U.S. system sounds better in terms of becoming a doctor, I like how you have to do a degree first (I'm probably going to do that here anyway). You got any ideas of which area of medicine you'd like to do into? —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 22:10, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Right now, I'm really interested in tumor markers, and I'd love to get involved in early screening of pancreatic cancer. But it's too early to say for sure. --Arcadian (talk) 23:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

So something oncology related? Sounds good, the area needs some new, thorough research, given it's absolutely dismal prognosis. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 18:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Coccidioidomycosis

I had updated the coccidioidomycosis page with a paragraph on biological warfare information and you reverted the page to eliminate my updates. The paragraph was purely informative and accurate. My post also had a link to information about one of the new books and if that is not allowed, I apologize, but I still feel the biological warfare information (with the CDC Select Agent home page citation) should stay.

I had planned to update the coccidioidomycosis PRESENTATION section as well to reflect the newer information that emphasizes the severity of the disease. The newer, more severe, information appears in recent works like 2007's "Coccidioidomycosis: The Sixth International Symposium" or 2008's "Valley Fever Epidemic" but I would rather wait to update until after you tell me these updates will not be erased.

Thanks!

Micro2007 (talk) 21:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the book link added at coccidioidomycosis would be allowable, but the symposium you mentioned looks interesting. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles) and Wikipedia:Reliable sources (medicine-related articles) may help provide guidance. Peer-reviewed articles (with a PMID) are usually much more appropriate than books or websites, but there are exceptions. Did you have a specific paper in mind? --Arcadian (talk) 22:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Aye

I am actually in school right now and I am doing limited editing as I am short on time. I planned on rewording when I got home, but your keen eye embarassed me! Heh! Sorry for any misunderstanding =) Food_Puma 17:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem. Thank you for fixing it. --Arcadian (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

100,000

Wow, I just saw you now have over 100,000 edits on your name! That is quite an achievement. Keep going! ;-) --WS (talk) 23:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, but I think that this achievement is far more impressive. Congratulations! --Arcadian (talk) 00:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations to you both ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! How many more years do you still have to go? --WS (talk) 12:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Somewhere between 2 1/2 and 6, depending upon how one defines "done". That said, if anyone watching this talk page is (or knows) a residency director ... my email is enabled, and I'd love to become better acquainted. :) And as long as I'm willing things into existence: if anybody needs a medical student to do scut for cancer research, drop me a line. I live in Illinois, but I have a strong background in software and stats, so if you've got access to data, we could collaborate at a distance. --Arcadian (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal Iliopectineal fascia/arch

I just discovered Iliopectineal fascia and Iliopectineal arch and made a merge proposal. As far as I can tell they are about the same structure, but I don't know enough to simply merge them. Is "arch" more common? Hoping you know more, I invite you to do the merge or discuss it on the talk page.
Congrats to the 100.000 edit BTW, when it comes to human anatomy you are everywhere!
Thanks / Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 18:01, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, and I commend you on your excellent anatomy contributions. (There aren't many people working on anatomy, so I'm always happy when I see your contributions pop up on my watchlist.) The two structures you mentioned are closely related but distinct, and I've added refs to make the distinction clearer. Normally, I'd recommend that they should have separate articles. However, I noticed that the IA article was a copyvio of this (one of the refs I added.) Depending on your level of interest, I'd recommend either rewriting the IA article to resolve the copyvio, or redirecting IA to IF. --Arcadian (talk) 17:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for both the edits and those words (when I look at my own contributions I seem to be the only editor around!)

I've removed the merge proposal and I'll try to fix the articles in question. I need to read a lot more about that region first, however.

/ Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 18:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

WT:MED#Template:GPnotebook

I'd value your opinion here. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

New templates

I created a new template {{Diseases of the skin and appendages by morphology}} and put some comments on the discussion page. I plan on using this template as a guide to pages I create/work on. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated (I saw you did some work on the {{Diseases of the skin and subcutaneous tissue}} template). Kilbad (talk) 03:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Also, I created another new template {{Clinical and histological nomenclature for skin lesions}} and wanted to get some feedback about it. How do you feel about the overall content and organization? Please see the discussion page for my desired scope and rational. Kilbad (talk) 18:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Two thoughts: use " · " as the separator, per the new standard at MEDMOS. And most navs use center alignment for the line headers, rather than text-align:left. But don't let formatting details slow you down -- I'm very happy that we have someone with your level of knowledge contributing to the dermatology articles, and the content is far more important than the formatting. In particular, I want to thank you for contributing your histology images. There really is no substitute for clear pictures, and it can be very hard to obtain appropriate images for use on Wikipedia. --Arcadian (talk) 18:55, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Location of pubic body

Hello, it's just me again.
I've been reading a lot on the pelvis lately and I'm increasingly confused. I was hoping maybe you had encountered this problem already.
In some contexts, the body of the pubic bone is defined as located next to the pubic symphysis between the two rami, and in other contexts as located next to the acetabulum laterally to the superior ramus. Here are two examples:

Anatomy and Human Movement, p 246: The pubis is an angulated bone. The body of the pubis projects laterally and superiorly as the superior ramus to join the ilium and ischium at the acetabulum, forming one-fifth of the acetabulum. A thin and flattened inferior ramus extends inferiorly and posterolaterally from the body to fuse with the ischium below the obturator foramen.

Structure and function of the musculoskeletal system, p 78: The pubis forms the anterior inferior portion of the innominate bone. It consists of the body, superior ramus, and inferior ramus. The body forms the anterior inferior one-fifth of the acetabulum. The superior ramus extends medially and also slightly forward and downward from the body to join the medial end of the inferior ramus. The junction between the two rami forms a fairly broad, flat region.

There are many more similar contradictions available. I've been googling a lot to find an explanation somewhere with no success.
I reworked the article on the body according to the information in my Swedish reference (see this diff), but I then discovered there seem to be different definitions around. Maybe I should revert myself? Is this a US vs. Europe issue? Or older literature vs. newer? The only hint I've been able to find is this brief sentence in Gray's here, section 16:

The Medial Portion of the superior ramus, formerly described as the body of the pubis, is somewhat quadrilateral in shape, and presents for examination two surfaces and three borders.

Any hint is welcome.
/ Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 15:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

You'll have to click to enlarge. Then look at the acetabulum, on the right. On the inner lip, you'll see a label for "body of pubis", and on the outer lip, you'll see a label for "superior ramus of pubis")

A review of Netter didn't help me, and I don't have a skeleton here, so I'm limited to rotating images in my head, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I think that the inner lip of the acetabulum is the body of the pubis, and the outer lip is the superior ramus. Look at the first diagram to the right. "5" is the symphysis, "4" is the pubis, "4a" is part of the "body" of the pubis, the superior pubic ramus is where "4" meets "2", and the acetabulum is the cup where "2", "3", and "4" all converge. The question is: where in "4" is the border between the body and the superior ramus? The intuitive answer would be that it is slightly to the left (medial) of the label "b", but looking at Gray235.png, I think it has to be slightly to the right, on the lip. But I don't think you need to revert your changes. Just document what you find, provide references to support your additions, and leave it to those who come after us to resolve apparent paradoxes. This could easily be a US vs. Europe issue, but it could also be that we're approaching the end of the written record, and the remaining distinctions exist only as oral traditions. --Arcadian (talk) 20:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

"Oral traditions", sigh! Anyway, thanks for the reply, I guess no one knows why the various parts of that bone is defined in different ways. For simplicity I'll assume Gray's definition is the default.

/ Raven in Orbit (Talk | contribs) 12:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Non-small cell lung carcinoma

Hi. I see that you moved "Non-small cell lung carcinoma staging" to "Non-small cell lung carcinoma". Have you seen "Lung cancer"? "Lung cancer" comprehensively describes non-small cell lung carcinoma, except for staging, which would unnecessarily bloat the "Lung cancer" article. Axl ¤ [Talk] 06:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Is your objection to the presence of "Non-small cell lung carcinoma", or to the absence of "Non-small cell lung carcinoma staging" as a stand-alone article? --Arcadian (talk) 20:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

My objection is to "Non-small cell lung carcinoma". It's not helpful to separate this from "Lung cancer". Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree, but it would be more productive to discuss this in front of a larger audience. Nominate it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, and I will respond there. --Arcadian (talk) 17:52, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I'll invite WikiProject Medicine editors to comment as well. Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to delete the page. I added most of the content under its initial title. I want to change the article's title. Please comment here. Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:51, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Way to alphabetize large list of links

I want to make this list more complete, and would prefer to just add diseases to the end of the list instead of looking where to add them within the alphabetized list; therefore, I wanted to know if there was some tag or "something" that will automatically output a list in alphabetical order? Kilbad (talk) 18:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind my poking my head in here... Help:Sorting has some details on making sortable tables with class="wikitable sortable". --David Iberri (talk) 20:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

D's idea is a good one. I have converted the list into a sortable table. Also, by adding new columns, you might reduce the need for some of the detailed categorization you are working on. --Arcadian (talk) 20:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Categorization of dermatology articles

Do you think you could get a few more people to review our discussion on the categorization of dermatology articles? I realize the categorization scheme can be changed in the future, but I would like to get some more feedback before I start categorizing articles based on the current proposed tree. Also, I am almost ready to update the skin disease article with a complete list of all dermatologic diseases, and would like to have category headings on that page that closely mirror the categorization scheme we all finally decide on through our discussion on the medicine talk page. What do you think? Thanks. Kilbad (talk) 14:32, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to discourage you because your dermatology contributions are very valuable, but in general, this is the sort of project that is usually better addressed incrementally. But, if you want a few suggestions: (1) Group "nails" and "hair" together under "adnexa" or "appendages". (2) Change "Cutaneous diseases" to "Cutaneous conditions" (this will help address mongolian spot and the like). (3) Don't divide "Infectious skin diseases" into "bacterial", "viral", etc. We have distinct classification systems to address those distinctions. (4) "Genetic skin diseases" will be problematic, because so many conditions have at least a genetic susceptibility. It would be better to just say "genetic diseases", and allow people to logically union. (4) In my opinion, the most important distinction in any disease (after segregating neoplasia) is inflammatory vs. non-inflammatory. I think that would make a useful high-level classification. (5) If you end up with a category that has only a couple items in it, consider deferring the decision to create a category for now. (6) Consider capturing some of this information in tables instead of categories, as described above. --Arcadian (talk) 20:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

In response to your advice, I have made changes based on your first and second suggestions. However, just around the time I read your response here, I had nearly completed my update of the skin diseases article, which still divides the infectious causes of skin disease, and does not use a table. Therefore, feel free to remove the infectious subdivisions and make the list a table if you desire, or I will try to get around to it eventually. I really appreciate all your feedback. categorization scheme outlined here. kilbad (talk) 23:17, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Categorisation of dermatology articles on Wikipedia, input wanted

Hey Arcadian. Kilbad (talk · contribs) has asked me to ask around a few people to get their opinions on the current catagorisation tree proposed at this discussion, as he seems rather eager to get going with the work but would like a few more opinions. Any chance you could have a quick look and post your thoughts? Cheers. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 15:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I have taken a look, and posted my thoughts in a response to the post above. --Arcadian (talk) 20:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey Arcadian—I see you just removed "zerenol" from the template. That was probably a typo, it's supposed to be zeranol. I'm not sure it warrants an article, but I thought I'd leave a note just in case you stumble across it again. Best, Fvasconcellos (t·c) 18:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks -- I've created a stub for zeranol. --Arcadian (talk) 00:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of a template redirect

I have nominated a redirect to a template for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz ^talk 14:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I have no objection to the deletion -- it was part of an typo I made in creating a navigation template (see the history.) --Arcadian (talk) 14:53, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Niemann Pick Type C Page

Hi Arcadian -- it looks like you did a number of citations for me on the Niemann Pick page -- thank you !!!!!!! -- I am new to Wikipedia as a contributor. Some new research has come out on NPC -- I have posted it on my blog Addi and Cassi Blog and Nature article is here Nature Medicine. Basically, it says that Niemann-Pick disease type C1 is a sphingosine storage disease that causes deregulation of lysosomal calcium that results in cholesterol accumulation. This is new news because the mechanism has not been known -- they talk about myriocin correcting the phenotype. The question I have for you is I am not sure how to best incorporate something like this Nature paper into the Niemann Pick page -- where do you put it? Also, it should go on sphingosine and also myriocin pages and possibly calcium. What do you suggest??

Also, Brown and Goldstein, awarded the famous Nobel Prize in 1985 for their discovery of the LDL-cholesterol receptor and its role in the control of cholesterol metabolism. Much of our current understanding of the impact of cholesterol on cardiovascular disease follows from their work and the multi billion dollar statin industry has been developed as a result of their work. They have released on PNAS very important papers on the regulation of cellular cholesterol metabolism and what they are discovering with NPC1 and NPC2. Brown and Goldstein Paper and Bill Balch Commentary on NPC1 and NPC2.

These papers need to not only be referenced on the Niemann Pick page but also on the cholesterol pages as again this very big news coming out about cholesterol I don't know how to best do this and I need some help by watching someone like you add this in -- then I can learn so when future papers come out how to do it. Would you help me with this project Arcadian? Chris | T@lk 03 November 2008

I would be glad to help. I have split Niemann-Pick disease, type C into its own article and added references to the three papers you mentioned above. You may want to rearrange them, or add more supporting text. Since you have many questions, I can only offer broad advice at this time: first read Wikipedia:Five pillars, then read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles) (especially the section "Citing medical sources"). Citing medical journals can be challenging at first, but once you know how to get a PMID and feed it into this tool, it gets much easier. I recommend that you work on Niemann-Pick disease, type C for now, rather than adding information to cholesterol. The papers you describe are very important in the context of NP, but it may take some time and perspective to figure out the broader significance of these discoveries. Finally, make sure you read Wikipedia:Be bold, and if you have further questions, I would be happy to try to answer them. --Arcadian (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Arcadian - Thanks for all your updates on the NPC pages, and for splitting out NPC into it's own page/ategory. I had Marc Patterson of the Mayo edit the main Niemann Pick Overview page -- he has been working on this for over 20 years. Also, he is going to review the NPC page to provide input. I am also have other experts look at the pages so they are completley accurate. How can we fix the Wikipedia search -- if you search on Niemann Pick Type C, it does not come up to the new page you created. Is there a way to fix wiki search. I am waiting for some pictures which hopefully you can help me get added in properly. Thanks against for everything! It's such a big relief to actually have accurate information up! Chris | T@lk 05 November 2008

It was probably just a caching issue -- I see it here. It is also visible to Google. When you're ready to upload pictures, I would be happy to help. The most important issue is to make sure that the owner of the copyright consents to Wikipedia's licensing. A good overview is available at Wikipedia:Uploading images, but if you have more specific questions, just ask. And thanks for your improvements to the main article. --Arcadian (talk) 16:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Arcadian: I have made lots of updates to the NPC pages tonight - Marc Patterson from Mayo Clinic sent me all the updates and edited both my page and what you did. These pages are veyr accurate -- some of the medical terms are not even on WikiPedia!! I am still having trouble with referencing papers -- I need more time to learn. Patterson wanted me to change on of our references to make it completely accurate. It's under Genetics on the main NP page

"Mutations in the SMPD1 gene cause Niemann-Pick disease types A and B, and mutations in NPC1 and NPC2 cause type C (NPC). Type D was originally separated from type C to delineate a group of otherwise identical patients who shared a common Nova Scotian ancestry. Patients in this group are now known to share a specific mutation in the NPC 1 gene, and NPC is now used to embrace both groups. The terms "Niemann-Pick type I" and "Niemann-Pick type II" were proposed to separate the high and low sphingomyelin forms of the disease in the early 1980s, before the molecular defects were described

The reference is: (Elleder M, Jirásek A. Niemann-Pick Disease. Report on a symposium held in Hlava's Institute of Pathology, Charles University, Prague 2nd-3rd September, 1982. Acta Univ Carol [Med] (Praha). 1983;29(3-4):259-67.)”

I can't make it work tonight, I am too tired. I hope you can help review both the NP and NPC pages and fix this reference. I am working to gather all sorts of images for the pages to make them complete and current. It would be helpful if you read this and determine other pages that could be linked -- there is a lot of good information here. We need some links into the cholesterol areas.

Thanks - Chris | T@lk 11 November 2008

I'm sorry, but I'm having some trouble figuring out exactly what you're looking for. I'd be happy to add or format references, but I'd need a little more guidance about what you want to add and where you want it added. It it helps, here is a formatted version of the reference you've mentioned. --Arcadian (talk) 04:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Elleder M, Jirásek A (1983). "Niemann-Pick Disease. Report on a symposium held in Hlava's Institute of Pathology, Charles University, Prague 2nd-3rd September, 1982". Acta Univ Carol [Med] (Praha). 29 (3–4): 259–67. PMID 6637710.

I need your help.

This user User:Cannibaloki has been reverting all of my edits in the pages related to Iron Maiden, with the excuse that "my opinion doesn't interest him!". There was this version on the lead of Iron Maiden discography here, that needed to be re-written to meet Wikipedia's quality standars. Then after several weeks he re-wrote this lead. That lead he re-wrote had many issues, grammar errors and was longer than it was really needed, because it said some information about every album that was better placed in the album's pages. I re-wrote the lead. Now it contained the most important sentences he had written, some I wrote myself taking other Featured lists as references, and then was copy edited by User:Gary King. He just reverted the edit saying " His opinion does not interest me!" here. I told him to take Nine Inch Nails discography, Metallica discography, and many others as a reference. I can see how mad he is, it was like if he was using blinders, because he doesn't listen to any opinion and every edit I make to that page he reverts it saying it doesn't interest him. I hope you can find the solution to this problem. Thank you.

PD: If you don't have time to take care of this, please recommend me and admin that could help me. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 17:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this is far outside my area of expertise, and in any case, I think that administrative action would be premature. I'd recommend that you go through the options described at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. If it does turn out that those efforts are unsuccessful, you will at least have built the paper trail that would be needed before administrative action to be invoked. --Arcadian (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I have tried helping this guy. I pointed him to WP:DAB to aid some of his edits but he removed my talk post; I'm assuming he's not interested. Because of the amount of edit warring occuring, I would be inclined to block soon as a preventative measure. Scarian ^{Call me Pat!} 20:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Scarian, I didn't delete your comment on purpose, my idea was to remove an automated message. Your comment was added back, of course I'm interested, I know you were trying to help me. Arcadian, thanks for your quick response. The past few days I had some personal problems, I;m really sorry I brought them over to Wikipedia. You guys can be absolutely sure this won't happen again. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 05:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for third opinion

Hi, I and my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of removing/toning down a section on 'allegation of cruelty' as subsection under 'criticism' section in Operation Blue Star article, concerns include WP:NPOV, the summary of dispute can be found at [2], please let us know your views/opinion at the talk page of the article so that 'alleged' bias may be looked into and a consensual solution may be found. Thanks LegalEagle (talk) 06:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

From your edit history, you have left the same message on the talk pages of over 20 users, and apparently chose me because I am an admin with a username starting with an "A". This is not the most productive approach to resolving a dispute. As described in the above post, your best approach would be to follow the protocol described in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and the linked pages. --Arcadian (talk) 15:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

(Z)-4-Amino-2-butenoic acid

...is not the same as N(4)-chloroacetylcytosine arabinoside, indeed they are entirely different compounds. I'll clear it up shortly. Meodipt (talk) 23:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Hmm this is quite a puzzle - it seems that both these compounds have been given the abbreviation CACA at some point, and its now hard to work out what N(4)-chloroacetylcytosine arabinoside actually does, as when you search for that name in PubMed it comes up with a whole load of research which actually uses (Z)-4-Amino-2-butenoic acid! The only paper I can find that definitely uses N(4)-chloroacetylcytosine arabinoside is (PMID 3440022) mentioning it as a prodrug for cytosine. Another paper (PMID 18685793) says explicitly that N(4)-chloroacetylcytosine arabinoside is a GABA_C agonist but I wonder whether the authors have themselves got the two CACA's mixed up... Meodipt (talk) 00:37, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Per this link at PubChem, they are synonyms, but it is possible that PubChem is wrong. In any case, I apologize for any confusion, and appreciate your efforts to clean things up. --Arcadian (talk) 03:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

EBV infectious mononucleosis

Hey. Can I ask why you've moved infectious mononucleosis to it's current title? I wasn't aware we were placing virus names in disease article names. I strictly believe infectious mononucleosis is more appropriate, it's aetiology is inferred from the article itself. Although, there are no other causes but EBV. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 22:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)