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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Bluemoose (talk | contribs) at 16:16, 12 October 2005 (Block of User:66.189.47.112). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

My RfA and old account

Firstly thank you for your kind words both on my RfA page and my talk page. It doesn't look too likely that I'll be an admin just yet does it! :) I've taken your advice on board, thanks again for taking the time to want to help me out. However, I've had a look through the list you have compiled (thanks for that too :), you really didn't need to put yourself out that far but thanks) and I don't recognise any of those. I must have got it a bit wrong, my memory is a bit blank though. I was sure it started with Grant but it doesn't seem that way now. Grant, Grantwin and Grantslaw definitely aren't me though. Wikiwoohoo 18:43, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Thank you for my RfA. I finished answering the fist question and then my mom called to let me know my grandfather has had a heartattack. It would be the third one in as many weeks, so hopefully, he'll pull through this one just fine. Once I make sure he is okay, I'll answer the three questions and make the appropriate date/time changes and include my RfA on the RfA list.

Thank you for trusting me enough to nominate me. I promise to serve the community well. Best regards, >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist• E@ 23:29, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

Since I'm thinking of running for admin soon, I was wondering if you could tell me what percentage of my edits have edit summaries. (I noticed you did this for ALinkToThePast.) I was formerly WikiFan04, as well. --WikiFanaticTalk Contribs 21:10, 7 October 2005 (CDT)

Skip Bayless

Oops, I'll be more careful next time.--Shanel 00:15, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Signed Posts

Durin,

I didn't realize that I had claimed another's account when I signed an earlier post. At the time, I wasn't even sure how that was done. I do; however, appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

Doctor9


Carolina Forest, South Carolina

Please do not remove a {{copyvio}} notice from an article while the copyright issues are still pending. Most of the article is a copyright violation, including the large portions of text that I removed, before determining that the opening sections of the article also constituted a copyright violation. Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted text, period. If you would like to re-write the article to help clear the article from being a copyright violation, you may do so at Carolina Forest, South Carolina/Temp. However, please do not remove the {{copyvio}} notice until this issue is resolved. Thank you. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 14:08, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please see Copyvio#Instructions, the very first instruction under "Article?" where it says "Revert the page to a non-copyrighted version if you can — and you're done!". Reviewing the prior versions of the article, there are clearly versions that did not violate copyright. You should, therefore, revert the article to a prior version that did not have copyright violations rather than placing {{copyvio}} on the page. In the future, please follow the instructions as they are written. --Durin 18:25, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have now reverted the article to an earlier version that did not have the copyright violations, per instructions as referred to above. In the future, please follow these instructions. While the copyright issue is a serious one (and I am well aware of it) we need to follow Wikipedia policy on these issues, rather than immediately presuming the article should be speedy deleted. Please feel free to review the article as it now stands for possible copyright violations. --Durin 18:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Personally, I would disagree that there was "clearly" a non-copyvio version, but as far as I can tell, the version you have located seems to be in order. However, consider that if there was clearly a non-copyvio version, why did you not immediately revert to that version, instead of
      A. reverting back to the version immediately prior, which was clearly in copyright violation, and
      B. stating in your edit summary: "there is good content here. Need to recover from history", which implies (in my mind) that you felt that the copyvio material that I had already culled from the article should be replaced?
      I double checked on the speedy deletion criteria, and removed the tag when I realized that the article did not meet the criteria. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 19:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Take this in this spirit it's intended, as I mean nothing harsh. If an editor makes an addition to Wikipedia that is in error, other editors that detect the error should move to correct it. The speedy tag was clearly in error. In addition, the copyvio tag did not follow procedure so it was also in error...even though in reverting it there was still copyrighted text in the article. It was an incorrect edit in itself, and needed to be reverted. I was hoping, given my edit summary, that you or someone else would take the time to review the history and ascertain what was the last good, non-copyvio version. When it was obvious that was not going to happen, and I had more time available, I took the time to find the last non-copyvio version in the history stack. There may be additional material past that which is non-copyvio, but the version I eventually reverted to is the clearest case I could come up with. In so doing, I was complying with what Copyvio#Instructions indicates should be done. You are about to become an admin; be certain you are following procedure, or if you find a reason not to follow procedure, be prepared to back up your decision with strong rationale. I have confidence in your abilities, and I voted in favor of your RfA. I do not often vote, and most of my votes are oppose. I think you will make a fine admin; just be sure to follow procedure as others will be looking to you for direction. --Durin 01:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • I appreciate your support on my RfA, and your thoughtful reply. Likewise, I mean nothing harsh, as I value civil discourse and discussion. However, I do not feel that it was neccessarily intuitive that you expected someone else to immediately revert to a non-copyvio version. When I initially examined the article, I did actually look at earlier versions, searching for a version not in copyright violation. When I looked at the version that you later picked, it still seemed to me like a potential copyvio. Having already cleared a major section of the article for copyvio, and finding a significant part of the opening to be in copyright violation, I did not feel the need to check each and every sentence for copyvio. It seemed that most of the edits to the article were from the same anon IP that had engaged in copyvios, so I wasn't really willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the remainder of the article. As it turns out, that was, in this case, an incorrect assumption. I have no problems with other editors correcting my work, it's been a frequent occurence in my time here, and I have no issue with that. However, please understand that from my perspective, after you initially reverted my edit, at that time: A. I wasn't convinced that there was any part of the article not in copyvio and B. It was not immediately obvious to me that your intention was for a non-copyvio version to be changed to. All I saw was another editor removing what I felt was a clearly justified copyvio tag and reverting to a version that was in copyright violation, which to me, is not an acceptable resolution to the copyright issue. I feel that once a copyvio tag is in place, it should not be moved unless the problem is fully addressed, lest a known copyright violation exist on Wikipedia, even if only for a short amount of time. Reverting to a copyvio version does not address the problem, and therefore I do not feel is as good of a solution as going ahead and reverting to a non-copyvio version. That is why I disputed the initial removal of the template. I feel there better choices both of us could have made, but I feel we have managed to arrive at a better understanding through discussion. Best regards, Ëvilphoenix Burn! 02:27, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • All I am asking is that in the future, you follow the appropriate procedure. You didn't follow it in this case. I reverted the edit (placing of the copyvio tag) that did not follow procedure.--Durin 04:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Closing RFAs

Sorry about that. I've been doing it for months (only if there are at least 10 more oppose votes than there are support). Nobody even brought this up to me before. Either way, I'll stop. Thanks for the heads-up. Acetic'Acid 16:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Concerns

Hmmm...I think you may be right, he shouldn't be blocked indefinately. I'll unblock immediately and remove the indef block notice. If he returns to vandalizing, I'll let another administrator handle it, after all, there are 600 of us, I can't be the only one who finds profane user page vandalism inappropriate.

Feel free to review my blocklog to your hearts content, as well as my other logs, and my contributions. I stand behind all my administrator actions and all my (6100+) edits. If you find anything you disagree with, please feel free to correct it, I don't mind at all. I stay around here because it's fun, not because I need the power.

I'm very concerned that this block calls into question all blocks I've made in my three months as an administrator, but seeing as there is obviously question in the community over whether I am able to responsibly utilize my administrator powers, or for that matter, make any positive contribution to the community, I will file an RfC against myself to guage whether the commmunity believes they were in error to have placed their trust in me. If you wish, I will also agree to go on Wikibreak (enforced by a desysoping and block, if necessary) until the RfC concludes. If the community does not trust me, then I do not want to be left in power; if the community does not want me to contribute, then I will go back to spending my free time elsewhere. Please feel free to add your concerns to the RfC after I have filed it. -- Essjay · Talk 18:30, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ahg! That ISN'T what I wanted or meant at all. Consider an analogy; if you found a vandalizing edit, you'd check the other edits of the user in question too, wouldn't you? This is a reasonable step. I think your block was out of line. It seems you agree. That's good. Let's move forward; many of your indefinite blocks are obvious sock puppets. There's no problem there. Where they are not, I want to be sure they are reasonably based blocks. You do NOT need to start an RfC on yourself, go on a wikibreak, or feel I am questioning your value! Please, let's work together ok? --Durin 18:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're not the first to suggest that I might be overusing/abusing my admin powers (not even the first this week), so I think a guage of community consensus is in order. I've said all along, I welcome anyone in the community to review my activities and call me on anything that is out of line; I strive to be an accountable and approachable steward (in the non-WP sense) of the community's trust. I don't want power that the community does not want me to have, and I don't want to be immune from challenge on inappropriate actions. There are admins who are not responsive to question of their activities, and who, either because of their community perception or their longevity, are immune from community outcry. I don't want to be one of those admins. I strive in everything to build the community's trust in me and to obtain, retain, and advance the respect of the community.

I think your analogy is exactly right, and I think it applies to what I've said perfectly: When a user commits vandalsim, the other edits are checked. When there is question that the user's actions in the community may be inappropriate (i.e. vandalism) they are taken to RfC (or RfAr, as the case may be). I see this as the logical extension of the process. -- Essjay · Talk 19:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Durin! Thanks for the very kind words you left for me last Friday. It was a dreadful weekend, but everything seems to be okay right now. My grandmother ended up in the hospital (a different one, of course, to make it logistically difficult), too, with blood clots while my grandfather was stabilized and is still in ICU. Anyhow, I wanted to thank you for your kindness. It is truly appreciated. Best regards, >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist• E@ 21:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unvoted

Unvoted. Yeah, I probably shouldn't have come to work this week, either. I've apologized and thanked each and everyone for their comments. Hey, if it doesn't happen this time, it will some other. I still appreciate your faith in me and continued support. Big noob error on my part that I have tried to cleanup. My commitment hasn't/won't change.  :-). Any more ideas on the charts?? I cleaned up a few things...still need to fix that Edit Summary calc. Since it is in "raw" format, I have a few more html tags to sort out to get it quite right. After I fix that, I can run yours so you'll be more experienced with the information. As you have preached stated repeatedly, counts don't make the editor and there is no script in the world that can possibly determine if someone is doing a good job. >: Roby Wayne Talk • Hist• E@ 22:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

A big thank you for your help and support, I look forward to meeting you in more productive contexts, Yours, Trollderella 23:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brain Teasers:

Hi, I'm just posting a friendly notice stating that I have got Brain Teasers on my user page that you're welcome to have a go at. Will post new questions one day after they have been answered. Thanks... Spawn Man 05:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Useful graphs on WP:VfA

Noticed your graphs at WP:VfA (eg: Image:Sebastiankessel-edits.png), very useful. How are they generated? I think they could be useful for tracking growth rates of disambiugation pages, as a part of Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages maintenance.--Commander Keane 09:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Block of User:66.189.47.112

Done, thanks for that. Martin 16:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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