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My name is Martin, and I refactor my talk page

Hi, Martin!

Stuff written here could end up anywhere. In particular, my distaste for forest fires, sniping criticism, bad trolls, and spam applies doubly here. I delete old stuff, or play around with it - tell me if I remove something you think should be kept. I refactor as I go. I remove personal attacks. If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here. See also: user talk:MyRedDice/refactoring

Unsigned stuff on this page is sometimes, but not often, written by you.

Praise for...

Helping my inner glow (add directly here if you like - I do like a bit of positive feedback!)

Best of...

Oh most novel Wikipedia Oracle,
May we welcome you to Wikipedia?

Only if you notice the Oracle first.
You owe the Oracle roast newbie on a bed of salad.

Oh classic Wikipedia Oracle,
Why does your username reminds me of Euridice?

For I am doomed to stalk Wikipedia, for a while at least.
You owe the Oracle a cute bloke with a lyre.

Oh England-dwelling Oracle,
Do you know a lot of vicars?

The oracle knows of vicars, but prefers to know tarts.
You owe the Oracle a definition of knowledge

Oh insufficiently wise Oracle,
Let it wash around you like water around a rock. -º¡º

The oracle only takes advice from those as cryptic as herself.
You owe the oracle three zen parables.

Oh green-fingered Oracle,
Are there times of openness, when flowers are fertilized, and times of protection, nurturing the growing fruit?

Wikipedia has many fruits, but fewer nuts
You owe the oracle a psychological explanation of edit wars

Oh mysterious Oracle,
Why didn't you sign that message?

She does it to cause you nightmares
You owe the oracles a week without signing your posts.

Oh uncooperative Oracle,
Could you reply at my talk page? I look for replies there.

If you look hard enough in the wrong place, you will see things that are not there.
You owe the Oracle a question she can't read.

Oh befriender of banned users (and Oracle),
What should you do if you see see the Buddha on a wiki?

Revert him.
You owe the oracle a better koan.


Oh Oracle of Edit Wars,
Why do you increase heat by warring over a user talk page?

The oracle is saddened by ownership, for property is theft
You owe the oracle nothing, for debt is a symbol of the capitalist conspiracy

Previously...

Oh dirty Oracle,
Is it worthwhile to dig in the archives?

Marvel at the giants of yesteryear. We shall not see their like again.
You owe the oracle a spade, so she can keep digging.

Oh Oracle of pesteration,
Keep thine unsolicited advice to thyself

The oracle gives her opinion for free, for she is fantastically generous
You owe the oracle a spare opinion

Oh perverted Oracle,
Which of Barbara and Jenna Bush had a visible nipple?

Jenna. Barbara doesn't have any.
You owe the Oracle a photo of George Bush's nipple.

Oh incompetent Oracle,
Are you sure that edit conflicts can cause that bug?

Does a doctor question her diagnosis if it was uninformed?
You owe the Oracle a nurse's uniform.

Oh all-sseing Oracle,
Why is a protection war invisible?

It shall be made visible in the near future.
You owe the Oracle retroactive continuity.

Oh blind Oracle,
What is the distinction between Wikipedia:Redirect and metaredirect?

The link is there to avoid the problems that some people have with inter-wiki redirects.
You owe the Oracle a question rephrased as a statement.

Oh multi-media aware Oracle,
Isn't it impossible for inlined images to appear anywhere?

It shall be made visible in the near future.
You owe the Oracle a bug fix.

Oh queer Oracle,
Is a transgendered person a chick with a thingy, or a boy with blanks?

The first. A boy with blanks is just impotent.
You owe the Oracle SRS.

Oh lazy Oracle,
Isn't it time to archive this page?

You can lead a muse to the edit box, but you cannot make her think
You owe the Oracle a spring-cleaning.

Oh non-naked Oracle,
Is this hat worth wearing?

Every hat is a good hat, but some heads are bad heads.
You owe the Oracle a pair of horns.

Oh wealthy Oracle,
Can I withdraw some Wikimoney?

The WikiBank has been turned into a trendy wine bar.
You owe the Oracle some negative equity.

Oh dual-located Oracle,
Is Jimbo Wales a benevolent dictator, or a benevolent dictator?

Now, the latter. In time, perhaps the former.
You owe the Oracle a dodgy moustache.

Hi, Oracle,
Is the recent edit war at Mother_Teresa an interesting case study in article disputes?

Wikipedians are genuinely excited about being able to show that they are clever and "right." They do not, however, give a tinker's damn about building community.
You owe the Oracle a tinker's dam.

Fair and useless Oracle,
Can we change the butt-ugly picture of Rachel Corrie to the one from Burning man?

Freedom overrides beauty.
You owe the Oracle a photo showing Rachel's inner beauty.

Oh, insensitive Oracle,
Why did you revert the effect of long discussion on Auschwitz?

Chance.
You owe the Oracle a discussion with a long effect

Oh controversially computing Oracle,
Have you read Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing and Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing/Controversial articles?

No, but I have a bot to read them for me.
You owe the Oracle a bot to allow her to forgot things too.

Oh skiving Oracle,
Who will clear out the village pump, if not you?

You, it seems.
You owe the Oracle help in coercing the neighbours into taking out the trash.

Oh indecisive Oracle,
Will Gender-Identity/Role help you avoid hard calls?

Yes, but only some of them. I still need to decide if my bum looks big in this.
You owe the oracle a flattering skirt.

Oh courageous Oracle,
How do you maintain wikipedia:problem users?

Regularly hose it down with weedkiller.
You owe the Oracle a trip to the Wonderful Wizard of Oz for some more courage

Oh self-regarding Oracle,
The reference to me wasn't a self-reference

The Oracle knows. It was a reference to us by us.
You owe the Oracle understanding.

Oh Visiting Oracle,
Do you really think AxelBoldt was trolling when he wrote AIDS Kills Fags Dead?

Link some semi-related facts together, give it a title just so, and watch the flames flicker forever.
You owe the Oracle a Bush family conspiracy.

Oh, anti-censorial Oracle,
Can you please go easy on the undeletion?

The Oracle lacked awareness of this terrible cost. Perhaps our policies should have told her?
You owe the Oracle deletion of an article of her choice.

Oh free-speaking Oracle,
Do we have policy not to delete talk pages?

We don't have a policy not to keep them.
You owe the Oracle an embiggened soul

Oh foolish Wikipedia Oracle,
Surely one should not consider sysops as makers of policy? Are not all editors equal in this respect?

While power grows out of the barrel of a gun, it is inappropriate for a gun owner to point this out. The myth of equality must always be preserved, even where reality is not so accommodating.
You owe the Oracle a large equals sign

Yet another day where I am at a complete loss...:-((((

To lose yourself is a blessing. To find yourself is a curse.
You owe the Oracle a large pinch of salt.

Oh numerate Oracle,
How do you tell how many hits a page has had?

count its scars - they are signified as "rv"
You owe the Oracle a straight answer to a straight question.

Oh Obscure Oracle,
I see your words but your meaning eludes me. Scars? RV?

Hits are google hits; the Oracle is being obtuse.
You owe the Oracle the correlation of google hits with importance.

Oh demanding Oracle,

  1. Being queer, I may not be able to give a straight answer to a straight question, but ask and I shall attempt it.
  2. The correlation of Google hits with importance is in the collective eye of the linker.

Oh non-Macedonian Oracle,
Where should Council of Europe link to, to Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia or Republic of Macedonia? They are not identical.

Ahh, but the one redirects to the other, and the lack of identity is moderated by the presence of similarity. The text of the link may legitimately be debated, but it matters little whether it links directly or indirectly, as long as it links.
You owe the Oracle a beer from the Former Yugoslavian state of your choice.

Discussion

Palestinian views of the peace process

Excellent work on Palestinian views of the peace process this evening; it is signficantly less awful than when I posted it on VfD last month. -- Viajero 21:00, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

True, but range blocks less so. Anyway, his style reminds me more of BuddhaInside than EofT, but then again he might not be any banned user. Angela. 00:40, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)

True, true. I had thought that the range block had been lifted, but who knows? Martin 18:28, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
No, it is still in operation apparently. Angela. 23:12, Jan 14, 2004 (UTC)

Jack Lynch

Why'd you take away Jack's color? I'm going to hold my breath until you change him back ;-) Uncle Ed 18:29, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

See User talk:JackLynch. I'm currently learning about good interface design, so I'm more sensitive to such issues than I might otherwise be. Martin 18:32, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Copyvio spam

That's nice. Is this some weird way to discourage people from posting on VfD - dump all the comments back at them when it's resolved? ;)


I have largely given up on that copyvio page. I don't know what to believe about fair use images. Basically, I am against them, so I don't intend to make any decision to keep them. However, I also don't intend to go against James' opinion that they should be kept as clearly he knows more about the legal precedents in these cases than I do. Which means I can neither keep nor delete them. If someone else wants to make that decision and delist them from the page then they should, but I am not going to be the one responsible for that. Angela. 20:33, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)

OK.
James is claiming that they're public domain, not fair use. I've copied his comments across to the image description page, and delisted from poss. cop. infr. If someone else wishes to challenge his interpretation of US law, they can do so later. Martin 01:07, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Response from Nohat

Hiyas. Thanks for the response. Can I quickly confirm that the david at nohat.net email address is correct and up to date? Just want to be sure. Martin 01:56, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Yes, that email address is correct and up to date, but it's protected by TMDA, so unless you're on my whitelist, you'll have to confirm your email. I already added everyone on the arbitration committee's address, so it shouldn't be a problem. (I'm still not clear on the etiquette for responding to messages on user talk pages, so I've moved it here) --Nohat 02:53, 2004 Jan 18 (UTC)
That's great - just wanted to be sure. Thanks. :) Martin 03:00, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

No, I don't think I ever recieved a response. Evil saltine 04:34, 18 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Two things

One important, one not. As for the unimportant 1st, when can I use color responsably? It seems alot of fun. I've also seen where extra large font was used on someones userpage. Is there somewhere I can learn more about how (and when!) to responsibly do this? Secondly, I made a post at Wikipedia Talk:Arbitrators that I'm rather excitable about. Would you, if you please, review it in brief when the fancy strikes you? Perhaps over a cup of tea? :) Jack 05:21, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Terms of use

I thought over your suggestion and I agree. Let's fork the general terms into a terms of use section, it might not be on every page, but maybe a link on the Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:Submission Standards page. I've made the first draft at your proposed page: Wikipedia:Terms of use. — Alex756 [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alex756 talk] 02:09, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

LOL

Best of... :) Just wanted to say hello. -戴&#30505sv 02:13, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Mediation

Hello, Martin. It has been suggested that you and RK might be benefited by a liberal dosage of mediation. Would this be agreeable to you? If so, please leave me a message regarding who would be appropriate. You may choose anyone (any Wikipedian, that is), but the members of the Wikipedia:Mediation committee would be preferred, as we have been discussing methods of mediation and such. The only one to explicity recuse himself from this particular dispute is Cimon, though Angela also said as much. I would like to volunteer myself as well, if I meet with your approval. Thank you for considering the option. Tuf-Kat 06:43, Jan 26, 2004 (UTC) P.S.You need a new talk archive, or refactoring or whatever it is you do to keep your talk page so neat and tidy. Tuf-Kat

Hi Martin! After a long and trying day at work, I came home and the first thing I found was the barnstar you gave me! Thank you for making it a wonderful day after all. :-) Danny 00:00, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Arbitration

Re [1]: The sentiments expressed in this edit also definitely apply to the efforts of the arbitration committee, and in particular, the duties of the chair. My condolences on your loss. -- Cyan 01:46, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Shared Sadness

Dear Martin, I'm very sorry to hear of your recent loss. I'll keep you in my thoughts and hope things are okay for you and your family. I'm also sorry to write after so long under these circumstances, but I wanted to send you lots of *big, giant, warm hugs*. Take good care of yourself, hun. Love, Paige 13:07, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

user OneVoice

If you have an odd moment around the edges, could you help out dealing with user:OneVoice? He (she?) is another Zionist activist whose particular animo seems to be population transfer (aka "ethnic cleansing"). See also: The People's Voice and Elon Peace Plan. The latter two are protected at the moment; see the resp. Talk pages for the arduous and mostly unfruitful efforts at negotiation. Thanks. -- Viajero 22:31, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Good action

Good move removing the post a comment header from mediawiki:VP. I was literally about to do it myself, and was a little puzzled when it wasn't in the edit box - you must have submitted just as I clicked edit! :) HappyDog 13:18, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wise minds?

Editing Village Pump

Thanks for carving down the village pump, but I thought the idea was to leave a little context with the link to the moved discussion? That way folks know what is being linked to. Elde 17:39, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Isn't it obvious from the header?

Sometime yes, sometime no. Easier to leave a little summary/context so folks can make an informed decision to follow the link. What's obvious to one, may not be so to another. Elde

Mediation goals

You have yet to tell me your goals for mediation (if I'm still the mediator). I understand you want to tell me privately, so email me at [email protected]. LDan 02:32, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[2]
I am unclear whether RK has accepted you as a sole mediator, given that he initially asked for both Ed Poor and yourself.

Mav and the image

Actually, I did go to mav first. He insisted that paying for the photo is enough (which isn't necessarily the case) and pretty much blew me off. You can check his talk page if you want. I am not trying to troll. - Lord Kenneth 03:10, Feb 3, 2004 (UTC)

Oh ever-watching Oracle,
How familiar are you with the topic of science?

Familiars have not been proven by rigorous peer reviewed double blind trials, and thus cannot be considered to be a scientific practice.
You owe the Oracle a photo of a black cat on a dark night.
Huh? - Lord Kenneth 17:17, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)

Requested Illustration

As per your long standing request at Wikipedia:Requested pictures, I added an illustration at Cowgirl sex position. I hope it meets with your approval :-) Cheers, -- Infrogmation 19:50, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Uh...quite simply, wow. - Lord Kenneth 20:24, Feb 7, 2004 (UTC)
Oh, and as per your offer, I claim one WikiThingie. Your cyber-pal, -- Infrogmation 21:10, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

You realise I now have to earn a wiki-kiss back so I can close my account again... *grr* ;-)

Then What?

Dear Martin: Hi1 I was just trying to keep it light here, like I always do. This is a very serious webpage all right, and I love it, but someone's gotta light up the party! As a matter of a fact I can tell you it was the total opposite when I wrote about Carlie Bruscia and Rebeca Martinez, my heart sank for those two articles. Now, if Im not crazy or funny, then what am I? I know one word that comes to mind that maybe youre thinking, but I dont consider myself that..LOL

And by the way I consider you hot.

Thanks for the input, and God bless you! Sincerely yours, Antonio Courtney Love Martin

Dear Martin: Hi! How are you? It was nice to hear from you!

Well, I guess my signatures are, yes, sometimes I try to be funny and make people laugh, but other times they are really a reflection of my inner self. I have Diabetes, Ive been in relationships that havent worked out, Ive loved both men and women, and those things, for example, have led me to consider suicide multiple times during my life. And that's not all, I mean if I told you everything, we'd be here sitting for about three days..lol

I hope when I die, I go to Heaven. Unfortunately, somewhere in The Bible, it supposedly says that bisexuals and homosexuals, like me, are doomed to go to Hell. What's that got to do with what Im talking about? Well, that Im not all that happy about being bi, just making the best out of it. I learned a long time ago that maybe God wants me this way and Im coping with it. That, in part, explains why I dont see many of my signatures as trying to be funny, although yes, for the most of it Im just trying to make people laugh around me. In real life, Im like that too.

I recognize that I might be smart enough to be wikipedia people, but Im also immature, I love controversy, I like to be seen, controversy (in the good way anyways) is my friend. Otherwise, I wouldnt be going out next weekend with pink earrings, a Paris Hilton-like hat (although I wish I COULD afford her clothes, lol!) and a shirt that reads I got the biggest d*ck in this band!. I realized, if I cant beat my sexual lifestyle, I might as well play with it!

I guess I consider myself a product of the 1990s culture, affected in part by Madonna, The Craft, Sex and the City and Courtney Love, with a little Marilyn Manson, Ozzy Osbourne and Paris Hilton thrown into the mix.

But I wanted to tell you that my intentions were not to bother you with my signatures. Quite the contrary, I have the most respect for you and all the fellow wikipedia writers/editors, people talk about that society Jodie Foster belongs to, the MENSA, whatever, we are the smartest people on earth at wikipedia, it takes the highest quality of knowledge to be able to work here on a daily basis and because of that I have a lot of respect for you, once again, I did not mean to offend you in any way with my signatures.

I sort of want to ask you a personal question, if you want me to, please let me know your email, if not Ill understand.

Thanks and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Love Connection Martin

Martin, please see User talk:AntonioMartin
Adrian Pingstone 16:39, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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The Cave Troll

I'm curious -- on what do you base the guess that User:The Cave Troll is the latest reincarnation of 24/142/EofT/the Troll With a Thousand Faces? --No-One Jones (talk) 00:20, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Feelings. Pay them no heed.
I had a sneaking suspicion myself: The Cave Troll's attitude towards online community (as represented in this edit, for example) seems uncannily reminiscent of 24's (as represented in m:Response to 24 and probably elsewhere). Then again, this may be a common attitude among self-identified trolls; I don't know. --No-One Jones 18:19, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I would like to formally invite you to join others at Wikipedia:Wikiproject_Arab-Israeli_conflict to work with us toward resolving issues that have arisen and resulted in edit wars here at Wikipedia. Also, I would like to formally request that you agree, along with the rest of us, to refrain from editting each of the articles that are listed as currently under protection or subject to edit wars on that page till the issues regarding that particular article have been resolved and we have removed that article from the currently under protection or subject to edit wars list. OneVoice 13:34, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Refused, see Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject_Arab-Israeli_conflict for info.
Further responses to OneVoice -> user talk:OneVoice
Would you be willing to Accept with reservations as several other people have done? Perhaps my asking that we all agree not to participate in an edit war was unrealistic. OneVoice 16:12, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
You didn't ask me to agree not to participate in an edit war. You asked me to "refrain from editing" certain yet-to-be-specified articles. That is a seperate request.
Would you be willing to Accept with reservations as several other people have done? You may state your own reservations. OneVoice 16:56, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
At this stage I would prefer to refuse. However, thank you for the offer.

Chastity merge

You should only merge two pages if you are also willing to eliminate any duplicated content -- just dumping page contents in a new section, as you did with chastity, doesn't do anyone any good (never leave an article in worse shape than you found it in!). Now the article deals repeatedly with the same issues. Please either improve the merge or restore the previous version.—Eloquence

The one article might be in a worse state. The two articles are in a better state. Net improvement. :)
Not really. Redundancy across two articles is better than redundancy in a single one, just like inconsistencies within an article are more problematic than inconsistencies across articles. Now just fix it and stop arguing ;-).—Eloquence
Actually, I reckon inconsistencies in one article are better, because they're more obvious. It's the Wikipedia equivalent of circling them in red.
Well, I hope you don't make a habit of making inconsistencies and redundancies "more obvious". Not everyone appreciates that kind of assistance. Anyway, thanks for the fix, the article looks fine now.—Eloquence

Just to clarify. Although for now there is no detachment article, would you merge it with poverty? "Not being attached to material things" does not mean "not having material things". Same with sex: "using sex following some rules" is not the same as "not using sex". Pfortuny 17:32, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it seems that there's been some discussion over whether my merge was correct. I wonder what will come of it. Martin 17:36, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Rachel Corrie

What purpose does The network location of this Document is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie add to the Rachel Corrie article? RickK 03:07, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Section 4J of the GFDL.
You planning on putting it on every article in Wikipedia? RickK 21:00, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Nope.

New Material

In answer to your core issue, some sources are suitable for Wikipedia, and some sources are not suitable, and some sorces are only suitable when coupled with other sources. Everyone is empowered to remove sources that they feel are unsuitable, and everyone is empowered to add sources that they feel are suitable. Where people disagree with you over what is and is not suitable, it is recommended that you discuss the matter. In this case, with two people objecting to the IsraelNN reference, it would be appropriate for you to discuss the matter with them, rather than simply re-adding it. In particular, re-adding a disputed reference with a misleading edit summary is inappropriate on Wikipedia, as I note below.

Does this answer your question? Martin 15:03, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Thank you Martin, this does indeed answer my question. The current sitiuation regarding INN is a follow on to an earlier problem in which identical language "trash web site" was used to characterize Yale Law School and the Simon Weisenthal Center. These two individuals have declared that they will remove all citations from INN without exception and stated so prior to any dicussion. Indeed efforts to engage in discussion with these individuals, regarding specific issues with specific articles, by myself in conjuction with Steveritgo, Ed Poor, No-One Jones, Delirium, and myself have met with little success as can be seen at Wikipedia_talk:Wikiproject:Arab-Israeli_conflict. OneVoice 15:31, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't believe that talk page shows what you believe it shows.
Perhaps you should start an article on IsraelNN?
The page shows refusals to discuss by User:Viajero and User:Zero0000. In addition, from the Thomas Hurndall page history we see: 01:22, 13 Feb 2004 . . Zero0000 (from now on I am going to delete all reports from Arutz Sheva until a real information source is cited). A similar statement was made by Viajero. OneVoice 15:46, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
As far as I can determine, the linked talk page shows a refusal to sign up to a particular WikiProject, which is not the same as a refusal to discuss. The two things are not the same, and it would be misleading to conflate the two.
The project started by User:Stevertigo is an attempt to bring together discussion covering a number of related articles and the individuals that have shown an abiding interest in those articles. I am sure that Stevertigo can explain it better than I. OneVoice 16:12, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The Tom Hurndall appears to be a good example of the benefits of discussing things with those who disagree with you in order to reach a mutually satisfactory soluion. I hope you will continue to do this.
But of course, I have sought and still seek to discuss any and all disagreements with any Wikipedian, Zero0000 and Viajero in particular. It is unfortunate that Zero0000 has engaged in repeated personal attacks against me and given this opportunity for joint discussion with indivduals such as Uncle Ed, has stated instead: " * User:Zero0000 (Talk) Agree on condition OneVoice is banned or leaves voluntarily. Otherwise refuse." as can be seen at Wikipedia:Wikiproject:Arab-Israeli_conflict. Ban, leave, or refuse is difficult to interpret as joining in discussion. OneVoice 16:12, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
It's a refusal to join that particular WikiProject. It is possible to discuss issues outside of a WikiProject. Martin 16:22, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In other words, each person decides for themselves what they see:

  1. Qibya massacre: 13:09, 13 Feb 2004 . . Zero0000 (it's your sentence, liar!)
  2. Amin al-Husayni: 07:00, 1 Feb 2004 . . Zero0000 (fanatics not welcome here. go away.)
  3. Population transfer: 08:14, 5 Jan 2004 . . Zero0000 (revert propaganda and links to trash web sites )
    21:16, 4 Jan 2004 . . OneVoice (restore: Zero0000, Yale Law School and Simon Wiesenthal center (there are other links as well) are not generally considered trash web sites. citiations to Palestinian documents are appropriate)

Well, thats enough...no need to provide more than three examples. OneVoice 16:38, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'll provide one more: Talk:History of Palestine (my edit summary "ban OneVoice") Please read it and judge if OneVoice is the sort of editor we want at Wikipedia. --Zero 03:15, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Ok, here's another: Talk:Palestinian refugee (same edit summary). OneVoice is intentionally distorting his sources. I want to write articles but with people like OneVoice around it is impossible. --Zero 04:22, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

From Talk:Thomas Hurndall: The word sniper in the second sentence seems POV and unsubstantiated to me. He is described on four other occasions as a soldier Moriori 01:52, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)

It isn't a POV issue. The IDF does deploy some soldiers explicitly as snipers. The issue here is whether this particular soldier was working as a sniper or not at the time of the shooting - a question of fact rather than opinion. I don't know the answer to this question. --Zero 02:50, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

None the less Zero0000 repeated insisted on sniper after User:Delirium had changed it to soldier OneVoice 13:31, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

As you say, OneVoice, each person must decide things for hirself. For myself, I choose not to publically judge Wikipedians, except to award barnstars where appropriate, and in my official capacity as an arbitrator. Instead, I simply give friendly advice. Anyone may choose to take that advice, or ignore it, at hir option. There are consequences to ignoring good advice, but I am happy for people to experience the consequences for themselves. Martin 19:03, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)


fallacies

Hi, this is your namesake, Mrdice. I'm into the logical fallacies at the moment, and I noticed you moved some articles around. For example, you put the spotlight fallacy together with biased sample. Is it alright with you if I give each fallacy, however closely related it is to another, its own page? Most fallacies are in some way or another related to eachother, and if we're going to put similar ones together, it would be a huge job, even more so because some of them belong to different catagories at the same time. My idea is to give each one its own page, and then mention at the bottom of the page to which ones they're related. Mrdice 03:19, 2004 Feb 16 (UTC)

New Material

Quote: It is a shame that you felt the need to blank my comments. I trust that you will still consider what I have said. Martin 20:13, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

No need to blank you comments.

Quote: My name is Martin, and I refactor my talk page

No need to retain material that I have read and does not contain anything particularly memorable or valuable. Some things I retain as reminders to myself, some things I discard. OneVoice 21:04, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Good to hear. Martin 21:11, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I should thank you. You got me to move and clean a quantity of material from my talk page that has past its useful life. Also added a note for folks to explain. Dont want people to feel slighted if/when I remove their comments. I really need to do that Amin al-Husayni merge and get back to the book on Oberammergau. OneVoice 21:29, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Bureaucrat status

There's a new class of users who can turn other users into sysops. This could previously only be done by developers (such as myself). These users are called "bureaucrats". I've picked a few users from Wikipedia:Administrators who I think would make good bureaucrats, and you're one of them. Please don't take that as an insult. ;-)

Do you want to be a bureaucrat? If you say yes, I expect you to keep an eye on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and turn users into sysops in accordance with community consensus.—Eloquence 04:23, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

I'm happy to be given the ability to create sysops, but currently I have a few things on my plate, so I'm afraid I couldn't promise to keep an eye on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Sorry, but thanks anyway. Martin 22:06, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Birthday paradox

Hi, I answered a question of yours at Talk:Birthday paradox. AxelBoldt 20:58, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

-> Wikipedia talk:Pictures from southwarkphotolibrary.co.uk details

Plautus

I see on Talk:Tornado that you are now experiencing the same joy of interacting with Plautus that the rest of us have had for the last 2 weeks. →Raul654 00:46, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)

So it seems. How long do you predict it'll take for me to start asking for him to be banned?

It depends on how closely you follow his actions. The more one looks at them, the more one wants to ban Plautus. He has now rejected his tutilage under Ed, saying that Ed betrayed him by not agreeing with the crackpot changes he was proposing. (I was considering adding that to the mailing list in response to Jimbo's last post). He has (yet again) expanded his efforts to poison wiki to include the ISS, saying that it's a weapons platform. The RFC page shows that every single person he has come into contact with wants him banned, save Lir and Irismiester. Go figure. →Raul654 00:58, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)

What if I don't intend to follow his actions at all? Generally it's a mistake to let troublesome users dictate your reading habits. A mistake I've fallen into in the past, incidentally.

Stop playing semantics, Martin. This is a serious case and the AC needs to get off its ass and start implementing a Jimbo free referral policy.—Eloquence 01:50, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)

Martin, if you know someone was vandalizing the house next door to yours, what would you do? What you are asking me to do is ignore it, and let someone else deal with the consequences. I'm not going to pass the buck. →Raul654 01:59, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)
I for one will support you if you re-ban Plautus.—Eloquence
I've been thinking about it. How do you think that would play out? →Raul654 02:32, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)
I think Lee has been making some attempts to get the arbitration policy into working order. Give him a couple of days and if nothing happens until then, just do it. Jimbo will probably back you up, too.—Eloquence 03:00, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)

I'm not asking you to do anything Raul. I was simply describing my own intentions. In life in general, I aim to be as good as I can be... but no better. Self-sacrifice is very noble, but I find that an excess of it makes me unpleasant to be around, and overly attached to the world. If you do not suffer from the same flaws as myself, then there is no reason for you to take my approach.

Hi Erik. Thanks for the feedback.

Teaching NPOV

Martin, I've offered you an Instructor's position at Wikipedia:NPOV classroom. I do hope you'll accept. --Uncle Ed 16:30, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

respectfully declined.

Oh unexpected Oracle,
Just back from the pub? Someone guessed your password?

The Oracle is practicing for April 1.
You owe the Oracle an article that deals fairly with the POV of fifteenth century peasants.

Hello

crossposted:
23:36, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:The Cunctator (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:35, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:The Epopt (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:35, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:MyRedDice (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:33, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:Delirium (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:33, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:Camembert (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:31, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:Jdforrester (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:31, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:Gutza (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:30, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:Fred Bauder (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:29, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:Nohat (Hello) (top) [rollback] 
23:29, 1 Mar 2004 User talk:Maveric149 (Hello) (top) [rollback]

I have recently had a very upsetting experience with two administrators, and I would like your opinion of it, if you have the time. Here is a link to the pertinent information [3]. Thank you for your time, Sam Spade 23:35, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What does crossposted mean? Or rollback? Did I do something wrong? What should I be doing? Sorry if I come across as pushy, but I'm a bit shaken up by all of this, and anxious for a soloution. Sam Spade 23:50, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Crossposting is where you post identical, or near-identical, content to multiple places. It is a usenet term. Crossposting is typically poor netiquette. I mark crossposts because some people consider them to be spam, and thus delete them on sight.
"rollback" is a link available to administrators, described at wikipedia:revert.
I will reply on user talk:Jimbo Wales

I see, I am unfamiliar with usenet, and I appologise for any lack of ettiquette on my part. Additionally, I thank you for you kind attention, and point out that due to an error on my part (I wrote user"page" rather than user"talk" in my note to Jimbo) you may want to revise a portion of your statement on user talk:Jimbo Wales. I again thank you, and appologise for any lack of ettiquette on my part. Sam Spade 00:15, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

You will know for next time.

Oh Oracle of Netiquette,
Should I delete or revise my "spamlike" notes?

True appreciation of Netiquette can only come from within. Seek to maximise signal, and minimise noise, and make efficient use of bandwidth. Always consider the ears of others more important than the mouth of yours. Then you shall not need to ask the Oracle questions, for you shall be at one with the eb and flow of the 'net.
You owe the Oracle a spoon (a real one!)

wow, ok, thanks Sam Spade

AMA

Thanks for pointing that out but it doesn't change my decision to resign, as I've explained at Wikipedia talk:Association of Members' Advocates. Angela. 00:59, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the explanation on the mailing list, Martin. I don't mean to push the AC, and I hadn't realized Anthony's case still wasn't accepted. I hope the backlog disappears soon. Thanks for your many contributions here, Jwrosenzweig 00:25, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

-> Talk:Dweezil Zappa

In the interests of NPOV, you really ought to say "Martin may be", and in the interests of not frightening children, you really ought not to use that photo (Wikipedia is not a forum for ruining young lives). --Camembert

*looks pointedly at the "Edit this page" button* :) Martin 22:33, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
But to do that I'd have to go to your user page, and I might catch a glimpse of the photo again if I do that. There's only so much risk I'm prepared to take to improve the 'pedia, you know. --Camembert
That bad, eh? Perhaps you need an edit link to avoid the fearsome visage? :)
I managed to turn images off, so it was OK. I wanted to replace the picture with one of a kitten or something fluffy like that, but I don't have a GFDL-able one. I mean, you know, I'm not saying your countenance is in itself horrible to regard, because you are clearly beautiful and fragrant (as are all Wikipedians), but that picture... yeesh. --Camembert

I couldn't figure out the best place to reply to your comment saying you didn't see the point in the exception to the revert rule for vandalism. Have you been following the recent rampage of User:Bird? The various people following him around in all his incarnations, banning his proxy IPs and clearing up his vandalisms have probably racked up more than 100 revertions between them. The exception to the rule was designed not to hamper people in this kind of instance. fabiform | talk 19:01, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm aware of Bird, but I've not been following the case in detail.
Recall that the three revert rule is a per-individual, per-article rule. I, as an individual, can revert one article three times a day. Angela also has three reverts. Wik has another three reverts. If ten people are all reverting the same vandal, across ten different articles they can rack up three hundred reverts a day, without going against the guideline.
I'm going to add some arguments against to the page - I'll explain further in IRC, if you catch me there. Martin 19:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Msgs for arb. com.

(blocked "Plautus satire" with an expiry time of 1 year: Ruling of arbitration committee) - seeing that in recent changes made my day. It's good to know that some things just aren't tolerated. Isomorphic 21:03, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'd direct this at the entire AC, but I don't know where to do it, and anyway I'm not looking for an "official answer". I'm just wondering how close the Irismeister situation is to resolution. His case was accepted by the AC prior to Plautus's case, and now Plautus is banned, so I have to assume Irismeister is soon to be resolved? He had been gone a couple of weeks, but he's returned today and has made comments on a couple of pages that indicate to me that he may be trying to either incite me into attacking him or else calling for me to be de-sysopped. Either way, I'd love the assurance that things will be settled soon--I just don't know if you can offer said assurance. If you can't, don't feel obligated by my question to say something that will soothe my anxiety. I'm just looking for a vague update, if that's possible. :-) Thanks for all your work here, Martin, especially as much of it seems to be time-consuming: I'm very glad to know you and others like you are taking on the difficult task of arbitration. Jwrosenzweig 18:33, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've forwarded both your comments to the mailing list.
Jwros, I hope you will resist any incitation. :) I hope you'll see some progress on the matter over this weekend. Martin

Prostitution Copyvio

I've been having a look at the list of sites that use Wikipedia for content whilst breaking the licence, and worldsexexplorer.com stuck out to some extent. The fact that it's a adult site could be viewed as some as undesirable. The fact that it's a adult site and it is breaking copyright from Wikipedia. I've tried sending them a third copyvio notice, but the email didn't go because of a 550 error. I then started to track down their host. It is Valueweb.

In order for someone to contact Valueweb's copyright infringement people they have to be a copyright holder. Since I've never contributed to the article in question, I don't qualify on that count, but you do. I'd appreciate it if you, or someone similar (I approached you because of your edit status and the fact you are also at least a sysop) would contact Valueweb and start the ball rolling towards knobbling worldsexplorer.com. David Newton 17:10, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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