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Sun Yat-sen FAC

Sun Yat-senSun Yat-sen is now on FAC. Let's click here and vote for its success!!!!
Deryc k C. 09:14:59, 2005-09-04 (UTC)

Taiwan freeway

If you have time, please feel free to make any additional contributions to the Highway System in Taiwan page. I've added a couple of useful diagrams and signs. If you have taken pictures of Taiwan's freeway that contains useful signs, please e-mail them to me.

I will be on a hiatus because of my job at TSMC. Please e-mail me if you have anything urgent to communicate about. Allentchang 15:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also . . . .

Please help me to expand List of postal codes in Taiwan if possible. Allentchang 16:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Request to move page

Hello Jiang, since you are an admin, would you agree to move Kaohsiung Incident to Formosa Incident for the reason I suggested on the page? Another reason is that the Chinese Wikipedia article also uses the name Formosa primarily. Thank you for your consideration. Shawnc 21:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC) Since you have used the talk page, we can discuss the matter over there. Shawnc 21:24, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

What is your reason for moving Kennedy Middle School (Cupertino, CA) to Kennedy Middle School, Cupertino, California? --Ji ang 08:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please refer to the edit summary. The article was renamed according to the de facto standard naming convention when disambiguating schools. Generally speaking, we do not refer to states or provinces by their abbreviations on Wikipedia. Bahn Mi 08:19, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

the title of the page should then have to be Kennedy Middle School (Cupertino, California). "Kennedy Middle School, Cupertino, California" makes it seem as if "Cupertino, California" are part of its official name like how "Berkeley" following a comma is part of the official designation of the University of California, Berkeley. Parenthesis will show that the city and state are given for disambiguation purposes only. --Ji ang 08:32, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In that case there are dozens if not hundreds of schools which need to be renamed. Bahn Mi 08:45, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I guess so then....--Ji ang 08:49, 10 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Yat-sen FAC

I'm sorry you got the impression that your comment was ignored. This isn't the case, and I hope you weren't offended; we value your opinion, that's why we asked for your expertise a month ago (better late than never I guess :). The thing is, your objections, while of course valid, are very difficult. I'm in the USA at the moment, and I don't have access to a good Sun biography. I guess I'll leave it to Deryckchan. Being from Nanyang, most of the information I have I got from the WanQingYuan,which tends to concentrate on biographical stuff rather than Sun's political beliefs. Borisblue 03:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jiang, I'm sorry, but I really can't comment on the Sun Yat-sen article, since my knowledge of him (and much of that period of history) is pretty poor. --Yuje 13:25, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

RfA support requested

You may recall that we worked together on some Shanghai matters (you assisted in some translations from Simplified Chinese banner text). I am soliciting support for Administrator status[1] and am requesting your support. Thanks, - Leonard G. 15:35, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for your support of my RfA, which I have formally withdrawn. The full text of my withdrawal and statement of appreciation is on the RfA page. Best wishes, Leonard G. 03:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Yat-sen

I was on wikibreak for a week, and I'm as surprised as you are when I saw Sun Yat-sen got promoted. The good news is, I've come across a good biography here, written from the westerners' perspective and I think I'll be able to address your objections soon, hopefully I'll be able to finish in the next 2 or 3 days. Borisblue 04:10, 18 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edits/reverts on United Nations member states

===>Contradictory information The caption that you have reverted to on this page contradicts the map that is present, so one or the other must change; it's nonsense to have both. The United Nations never called the Republic of China an illegimate government in and of itself, and has never declared which, if any, government (i.e. the PRC or ROC) is the rightful one of Taiwan (and the small surrounding islands). Rather, it replaced the ROC with the PRC as the government of "China", with the definition of that political entity deliberately vague. See UN General Assembly Resolution 2758. Justin (koavf) 04:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

jun1

Thanks, I will do my best to avoid this in future. Rich Farmbrough 09:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

2005.10.02 can be quickly wikified as [[2005-10-02]] which renders depending on your date preferences as 2005-10-02. Rich Farmbrough 22:07, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Military ranks of the People's Liberation Army

Since the Chinese military ranks for all three branches are the same, I think we should merge the articles Ranks of the People's Liberation Army, Ranks of the People's Liberation Navy, and Ranks of the People's Liberation Army Air Force into a single article (Ranks of the People's Liberation Army) and single table (like is already done at military of the Republic of China but without any images).

But first, a needed change: at Ranks of the People's Liberation Navy, the Chinese column each has 空军 (meaning "air force"!!) before the actual rank and needs to be removed.--Jiang 15:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment, I don't mind if you reorganize them. Sorry about the mix up in words, I don't speak Chinese but had copied the text off the internet. Thanks.

Take care, Molotov (talk) 16:27, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Hello Jiang I'd like to know if you would be interested to take a look at my proposal to rewrite the mainland China article, at my sandbox, which was written based on user:Alassius' proposal and the discussion at talk:mainland China. Thanks. :-) — Insta ntnood 18:13, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for reading and the precious opinion. The proposed version is in fact a product of compromising.. to include the different views presented at the talk pages. Many aspects of Alassius' proposed version was also incorporated. Anyways, I will look into your opinion more carefully, and will modify accordingly. :-) — Insta ntnood 17:30, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese names for Chinese-Americans

Moved to talk page as you suggested jimfbleak 09:13, 6 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your view on Taiwan province is biased!

If you think you can ignore the unhappiness of mainland people in seeing the PRC part of Taiwan Province page, you have no right to be an admin.

POV

The reason I changed the page is because you support POV ideas. How can you agree to use such biased words like "pretext", etc?

Biases Taiwan Province page!!

Taiwan Province (Traditional Chinese: 臺灣省) is an administrative subdivision of the People's Republic of China (PRC). The corrent Taiwan government is pushing Taiwan people to war. What the local government should do is to emphasize improving people's quality of life other than playing with politics. No one wants war. No one wants splittism either. Just imagine, if Taipei wants to split from Taiwan to be an autonomous country, will Taiwan people agree? What PRC advocates is to keep peace and develop economy. If all the people from both mainland and Taiwan are rich, every other things can then be solved gradually. Why wouldn't the Taiwan local governors consider these positive aspects? I add things here because the editor of this page is biased. The PRC part of this page is full of biased words which is not fair!! If the admin thinks he can ignore the unhappiness of mainland people in seeing the PRC part of Taiwan Province page, he has no right to be an admin. Viewers could say my view is biased. I partially admit. But the reason I'm doing this is for fairness. Why do we allowed a biased version of ROC part but dispute against corresponding PRC part? Interested viewers can look at the history of this article for old versions. Viewers could also pay attention to whom the admin is and what his political standing is. I reserve right to sue the admin in future.

Please give a way to sue you agaist tolerating POV, thanks.

I specify that I will be monitoring this page. Please kindly respond to me here on your talk page. I want a speedier response so please don't forget to check mine. (sorry to re-use your sentence. I'm just trying to follow the correct format.)

Please give a way to sue you agaist tolerating POV. Or a way to give message to higher authority in wiki. Thank you.

Naming conventions (Chinese)

Hello Jiang despite what you've told her/him at the talk page of the naming conventions [2], user:SchmuckyTheCat has continued her/his attempts to remove a sentence from the naming conventions [3]. Should I revert it again? — Insta ntnood 07:16, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sun Yat-sen speedy-de-FARCed

Jiang, in regards to your FARC on Sun Yat-sen here,

... From the FARC criteria: Do not list articles that have recently been promoted — such complaints should have been brought up during the candidate period. Sun Yat-sen was promoted last month. As such, the listing on FARC is too soon, and it is being speedy-delisted. Feel free to bring up your concerns on the article's talk page, or Be Bold in updating the article iteslf.

Additionally, if you feel the article is not sufficiently updated, relist the same FARC in a couple of months. Thanks for your time, --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 10:43, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote:

These complaints were brought up during the candidate period. There was no consensus to promote in the first place.

Though you may feel there was no consensus, User:Raul654, the Featured Article Director in charge of promotion, apparently felt there was. There is no strict guidline for "recently", but past speedily-delisted Farc attempts lean towards last month being too soon. Give it some time, or try to improve the article yourself. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:13, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

violet/riga has changed his mind. If you can ilicit more support for listing it (or can change Raul's mind), I have no objection to IARing this farc. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 12:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Line

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we stopped using line breaks for dabs two years ago"; I've seen many other editors using them, and I always do. When I raised the issue at the Talk page of the dab template, no-one seemed to be aware of your position. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:57, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember which template Talk page I raised it at, but the response was that, though there was no problem with the line, it couldn't be part of the template because there so many cases of double use, in which the line would look odd. Thus the line would have to be added manually. I haven't kept records of the line being added, though I noticed a couple of cases as I went through my Watch list yesterday. When I come across it again I'll let you know.

What's your objection to it, though? It serves to divide something that's not relevant to the article from the article itself. Wikipedia sections include a line in the same way, and this is performing much the same purpose as a section. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RE:National Revolutionary Army

First of all, I don't think I'm your comrade. :D

The NRA was renamed the ROC Land Army (中華民國陸軍) I believe, some time in the '50s. I'm not really familiar with that period in history, since I'm really only interested in 1911-1945, and maybe until 1949. But you've gotta love their "reconquer the mainland" fetish. :p
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 07:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Compatriot" would do fine. :) ~~I do not think the zh wiki even has a page on the NRA~~ The zh wiki obviously has a page on it... and covers it better than the en one. I'll respond to the talkpage when I have the time.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 22:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Series

On the basis of your critics on the part of template I started to place the series boxes itself in the articles, when the article is part of the series. Ali Khamenei is part of the Politics of Iran series, so there is no reason not to add the series box itself in the article. You deleted it, why? Electionworld 15:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The articles are part of series' that exist. The problem with the layout was clear, therefore I created the partof template, which isn't used anymore. But why should the leader of Iran not be part of the Politics of Iran series, or an article on sovereignty of the Falklands Islands not be part of the Politics of the Falkland Islands. You see, I am ready for a compromize, so I stopped using the partof template. Electionworld 15:46, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to limit series to chronology. The series' existed allready for a long time and there are a lot of other series that are not chronological. The change user name is not available for some time now. I would like to change the user name, so if you can help me. But I am readu to think about making it a footer template, but that will take certainly a lot of time, because the template has to be moved in every page. Before I do that, I would like to be sure, that that is accepted and that tere won't be an action against a footer template. Electionworld 16:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whe should then have two questions on the Jump Page: Should series be limited to chronological series ore can there also be other series of related subjects, like the politics of .. series and many other existing series (see socialism or libertarianism (i dind't create those series). Second: if they should be limited (I would be against hat), would one mind having templates of related subject somewhere at the footers (at the starting of see also section) conform your example (I would be in favor and would like your layout, but would place it on the left (not on the centre) and would add the persons like the president or the prime minister. I do not know how to start a debate on the jump page, so you are welcome.
I will redirect my user talk page again, and hope there will be some possibility for change of user name. I no use both since it would cost a lot of time for converting the watchlist. Electionworld 16:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find a Wiki-rule in the pages you linked to that a series should be limited to chronological order. The page Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes allows also non chronological series. So I am not convinced. What I suggest now is that we use the template as it was (up right), but not to include in the entries on persons. BTW. The party articles that do not have infoboxes, and individual election articles have these templates right now. I think that is not a problem. Electionworld 13:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Today I found out that the guidelines allow these kinds of series boxes up right. There are advantages and there are disadvantages. Your arguments are against all series boxes (not only Politics of XX). The big advantage is the place itself. On a first look of the page one can find the context. Another advantage is the reality that these boxes exist for long a time now, and I am not the only one to make and maintain these (kind of) boxes. It will cost a lot of time to change the boxes and furthermore to open every linked page and place the template on another place. Since there is no (and as long as there is no) guideline against these boxes, I will continue maintaining them. I won't place them were an infobox is allready placed and I won't place them in the articles on persons. I see advantages, it is allowed, so - sorry - I will continue. Electionworld 19:10, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way to have the series box there were there are no infoboxes etc replaced by a footer with the same content as the series box on the main articles. There is noting unaesthetic to have the the series box in the articles without in foboxes etc. Furthermore, are you going to try and replace all the series boxes in Wikipedia? I am ready to collaborate if you have a solution that the content can be the same in both the series box and the footer box. Electionworld 22:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What we could do is transforming the present politics of XX boxes into a template that exists out of two (or three) subtemplates: one would be the header, including the name of the series and the layout as well as the edit tag (to edit the second subtemplate) and a fixed width, the second would be a template with the links. This second template should also be used in yout footer template. That footer template would be made in the same form with two subtemplate: one with layout etc., the second would be the same as in the series box. We could name the link template: pollinkXX (XX=country). The centre and left alignments should be made in the first subtemplates. The series template would be placed in Politics of XX, List of political parties in XX and Elections in XX and in other pages when appropriate. Could this be the compromise? Electionworld 07:31, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Politics of ...

Wow, that was a ton of reverts. I hope you get paid by the edit. ;-) Regardless, thanks for making the ugly box disappear from the articles I have been collaborating on. --Kralizec! 03:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

When you sign your contributions, it leads to a link to both your user page as well as to your talk page. WHo do you do that, I like the feature. Electionworld 22:03, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Parent category for BOTH militaries of ROC/PRC being "China"

[4] Does this really make any sense or just a way to attract edit warring? SchmuckyTheCat 23:26, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: SYS FARC

Thanks for the notice. I've placed my comments on that page. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | W_S 22:46, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chiang Kai-Shek

alright, fine, do what you want with his article, but the 228 incident was directed by Chiang and part of his legacy. same goes for the oppression of the people and changing the culture in Taiwan. ommitting these prevent the Chiang article from truly describing his impract on Taiwan. If anything, you should then place those facts in there somewhere.

Template:HistoricPhotoRationale

Greetings. You changed Template:HistoricPhotoRationale from saying "The image is used for educational purposes only in a non-profit encyclopedia" to "This photograph is only being used for informational purposes." I was wondering why. Any photo on Wikipedia is, afterall, being used for educational purposes, and Wikipedia is a non-profit encyclopedia. A fair use claim is strengthened by that fact. Thanks, – Quadell ^{(talk) (bounties)} 14:52, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Chiang part II

well obviously, Chiang Kai-Shek was involved in the 228 incident. He was the leader of the kuomingtang, and they carried out a very organized culling that took out 30,000 people. When you're a leader of an organization that does something the responsibility falls on your hands at the end, so it does mean its part of his legacy. At the very least it should be noted he was the leader of the KMT when the 228 massacre was done by the KMT troops. AntiG 17:44, 12 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review/Yuan (surname)

If you have a minute, could you take a look at Yuan (surname) - I've put it up for peer review (see Wikipedia:Peer review/Yuan (surname)). I hope to make it a model for expanding other Chinese surname articles. Since you've contributed to the Chinese surname article, I would really appreciate your suggestions. Yu Ninjie 21:57, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Human rights in Taiwan

Thanks for your help fixing up the article. Additionally, you may want to check my recent additions. I hope you won't find it all necessary to excision, though :) --Dpr 06:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pronuncation infoboxes

Hello I'm interested to know about your opinion towards pronunciation infoboxes like {{Chinese info}}, {{Cantonese}}, {{Mandarin}}, {{Chosonmal}}, {{Vietnamese}}, {{Dungan}}, {{Koreanname}} and {{chinesename koreanname}}? Would you prefer inline than infobox style? Thanks. — Insta ntnood 09:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It came to my concern that a user has created {{Chinese info}} and has started putting it to many articles. It has led to some small scaled edit wars. — Insta ntnood 10:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Sun Yat-sen FARC and pre-1911 ROC loyalist

Sun Yat-sen FARC - Sorry, I will have to respond when I have the time to read through both the discussion and the article. A bit busy with schoolwork right now. I'll try to make time in school tomorrow morning PST.

Pre-1911 - No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Like the American Revolution, what resulted from their respective revolutions was in no way what the founders intended it to be. Prior to 1911, the Republic of China existed on paper only... a utopia and an abstract concept. A perfect society, that if achieved, will bring about datong (great unity, 大同). However, from the moment of its establishment, it screwed up... this is what I mean by "pre-1911". :)

-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 00:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar of National Merit

I, Nlu, award you with this Barnstar of National Merit for your contributions and vigilance on China/Taiwan-related articles -- but should that be one barnstar or two? -- maybe we shouldn't get into that right now. :-)

--Nlu 07:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

pictures

hello, do you know what's the policy of uploading pictures? I have been scanning some photos of sino-japanese war and i don't know if they're still under copyright, thanks.BlueShirts 21:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestral home

Thanks for your help on ancestral home. --Dpr 03:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FARC

I raised the issue of the Sun Yat-sen FARC on the Julius C. FARC b/c the person who started this new FARC first raisesd the issue on that article's talk page (which is good Wikipedia practice and respectful to the other article's editors). I was using your previous FARC to illustrate poor process. As I originally stated, the Sun Yat-sen article needed work (and actually has now been improved b/c of the FARC). Now that Sun Yat-sen is no longer a featured article (although, as I have stated with the admin who removed the article, I do not believe consensus was achieved on that) I hope you will work to improve the article. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. I do not like having guidelines abused to get a given result accomplished. Now that it is done, though, we will see if you actually edit the article. If you make the changes and improvements you complained were so needed, I will be the first to praise you for your work. If you do not work to improve the article, then I will continue to question your "personal agenda" in pushing to have the article removed. Please note, though, that I have nothing against you personally and, from your edits, you seem to be a good editor. As stated, I just really hate to see guidelines abused to achieve a certain result.--Alabamaboy 11:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for supporting me for adminship. The RfA passed today. I look forward to working with you to make Wikipedia a better place. --Nlu 04:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

THREATS are unacceptable

Do not threaten others on Wikipedia. This is unacceptable. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks

The policy you refer to is "Do not revert any single page in whole or in part more than three times in 24 hours." Neither of us has violated that policy, so let's not throw around talk of anyone getting blocked.

User Jiang, please stop posting threats and insinuations on my user page about blocking me. I've done nothing whatsoever to merit being blocked, and you are well aware of that.

Again, please stop posting threats and insinuations to my user page. Your continued posts that mention the possibility of my being blocked, when I've done nothing whatsoever to merit that (and yes, I'm well aware of the Wikipedia policies), are a form of subtle threat, as you are certainly aware. I am not "new to Wikipedia", by the way.

Finally, suffice it to say that your repeated personal threats, and your repeated insertion of POV over many edits on this subject, make your previous edits fair game in this discussion, and have stretched my ability to "assume good faith". Note that other commentators here on your talk page have mentioned that you "pursue an agenda." This limits the nature of your contributions to this community. You've done the same POV insertion on The Play, and I'll be turning my attention to that next.

Again, I request that you stop telling me I was in danger of being blocked, because I never was and don't intend to be. And I'm very tired of arguing about what's crystal clear in terms of the personal agenda you've pursued in the pattern of edits you've made. This will be my last post to your user page, and I request you stop posting to mine, unless the accusational tone stops. PKtm 02:34, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

STOP posting on my user page, user Jiangg. Edits are not "reverts", and at no point did I come close to violating the Wikipedia rule, and you know that. PKtm 03:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User Jiang, here is (at least) a THIRD request to you to stop posting on my user page. Your remarks are now looking like a personal vendetta, and I consider them harassment and (basically) graffiti. And yes, I will blank them. Again, further posts to my user page by you are harassment and very very personal. PKtm 18:15, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User pages and User talk pages are different animals. There is nothing inappropriate about delivering warnings about Wikipedia rules, in particular, on user talk pages. If you continue to refuse to see that (despite Jiang's repeated efforts to do so), other admins, if not Jiang himself, will take appropriate actions. --Nlu 18:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, this is a totally inappropriate use of your admin role, Nlu. Jiang's accusations are bogus, which you'd actually see if you looked into it (e.g., he's counting reverts to other articles outside of the issue he and I were squabbling over!), and I consider them vandalism to my user page; as such, I will handle them as I see fit, ban threats or no. I recognize (from your talk page entries, and from the common interests the two of you share) that you and he are friends, and I believe that you need to recuse yourself from this discussion, rather than "pile on" with more threats. PKtm 04:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Friends? I've never met him. I've never had a conversation with him. I appreciate the help he gave me when I was a new Wikipedian, but that's it. There's absolutely no reason for me to "recuse" myself. And regardless of what your views are, it's still vandalism. --Nlu 04:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

chinese nationalism

some dude kept on adding a picture of some ridiculous combination of chinese clothing, a pistol, and a picture of the late last emperor of china to the article of chinese nationalism. I think his additions are totally inappropriate, dubious, and downright ugly. But this guy is a famous "han culturalist" who coined the term taikonaut, I think, when I googled his name. BlueShirts 02:01, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Jiang, but I don't think the guy gets it. He just reverted once again, dang. BlueShirts 06:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Miborovsky's RfA

Hello there Jiang,

Thank you for supporting me on my RfA. It's Thanksgiving Day, too... so once again a big thank you! Have an awesome weekend! (If you celebrate Thanksgiving, that is.) I will do all I can for Wikipedia, to protect it from the alien scum of the universe... I mean, uh, from Willy on Wheels and Wikipedia is Communism!

-- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 06:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]