Talk:Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell/Archive 4

There is also a Brazilian musician called Baden Powell. He is definately not a boy scout. How do we solve this}

By making a page called Robert Baden-Powell (musician) and, when it is written, linking it from this article. Morwen 22:50, Dec 24, 2003 (UTC)

Homosexuality or Pedophilia

If he was interested in naked pictures of young boys, this is evidence of pedophilia, not of homosexuality. The two things are not one and the same.

Pedophilia is about a sexual interest in young persons who are unable to reciprocate on the same emotional level, if at all. Pedophilia is considered psychologically aberrant behaviour, and is repugnant to most people and illegal in all civilised countries. Even having pictures of child pornography is illegal, one does not even have to actually "do" anything with a child to break the law. Pedophilia is not necessarily confined to interest in young persons of the same sex - in most cases, it is different-sex attraction. An adult male who is attracted to young boys is a pedophile, not a homosexual. An adult male who is attracted to young girls is a pedophile, not a heterosexual.

On the other hand, homosexual behaviour between consenting adults is considered perfectly acceptable by most people, and has been decriminalised by all right-thinking legislatures. The mere fact of being attracted to people of the same sex has never been illegal (how could it be, one cannot legislate against thoughts or feelings). JackofOz 05:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I am not qualified to expound on the official definition of pedophilia, but I will say that your reading of it conflicts with what I know about the current definition. As for B-P, a close reading of a couple of modern biographies, like Jelks', may change your mind both about his possible pedophilia and his possible homosexuality. Haiduc 17:38, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm no expert either. The text in the article contains nothing that might suggest homosexuality, but it does contain possible evidence of pedophilia. Why the word "homosexuality" appears at all is beyond me. Cheers JackofOz 02:25, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps this controversial topic should be moved to a separate page? Zaian 12:39, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Aviation

I have recently been reading a biography of Patrick Young Alexander. This mentions some aviation experiments by Robert Baden-Powell and his brother. The book leaves me a little confused about which brother did what. Can anybody shed any light?

On His Interest in Boys

The Wikipedia Help Desk received the following e-mail from a reader see

After researching information on Robert Paden-Powell on Wikipedia, it became fairly obvious that information entitled, ‘On his interest in boys,’ is nonsensical, in that the speculative information that is produced seems inappropriately issued, particularly under the guidelines set by Wikipedia. The article-segment is based on heresy as support to push a controversial topic, lacking legitimacy, (at times) proper context, and sufficient academic reference (i.e. citations, etc.). It seems to be particular to push the works of two authors rather than introducing meaningful and objective information to understand the life of the highlighted individual. Moreover, certain phrases are sweeping in breadth and generalize actions or thought, such as, “consistently praised the male body,” or, “always enjoyed watching the boys swimming naked,” ignoring burden of proof. Speculative discussion and debate would probably find appropriate dialogue elsewhere, until more substantial and firmly-rooted information is produced. Currently, the loose views presented (as they stand now) are but libel, inappropriate for an academic forum. Until a higher academic standard is met, I’d request that the material be removed.

I realise that it is based on written sources but could more be done to establish verifiability. In the meantime, I will reply to the user telling him that his comments have been advised of the comments. Capitalistroadster 00:50, 3 December 2005 (UTC)