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Review of quickpoll process

The quickpoll process was originally implemented as a 30-day trial. We have now had 30 days to evaluate whether this process is beneficial. It seems appropriate for us to consider the experience and decide whether we want to continue using quickpolls.

Question: Do you think we should continue using quickpolls?

Yes

  1. Quickpolls would work great if everyone accepted the three revert guideline. Sadly, somebody always wants to make an exception, thus negating the rule. It should be an absolute rule -- anybody who reverts three times in 24 hours for any reason whatsoever should get a 24 hour ban. Tuf-Kat 18:54, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
  2. William M. Connolley 19:38, 2004 Apr 20 (UTC) Yes. Also, the 3-revert rule should become absolute, with ignorance no excuse. Being banned for 24h is not such a serious penalty that we need to agonise over it too long. Currently we are far too wishy washy. Suggestion: 2nd ban gets 2 days; 3rd 4; 4th 8... etc.
  3. Ruhrjung 19:58, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC) But some modification is called for to hamper the usage of Quickpolls as a tool for one side against the other in an edit war or long-lasting POV-strife. Also the calls for quickpolls (i.e. the "announcement" immediately under the headline) must be improved. As before I would support considerably longer bans than 24 hours, and I would support defining un-cooperative behavior (as demonstrative and systematic disregard of edit summaries and talk pages) as a justified reason beside intense reverting habits for banning (or other remedies).

Yes, but only for certain cases

The quickpolls policy currently allows quickpolls when:

  1. someone violates the three revert guideline
  2. a sysop repeatedly misuses a sysop capability
  3. a signed in user goes on a "rampage" of some type
  4. a signed in user confesses to deliberate trolling

If you support quickpolls for some of these situations and oppose them for others, please indicate in your vote the situations for which you support quickpolls.

  1. Only for cases 3 and 4. In my mind, quickpolls are very useful for situations like we had with Plautus satire, or maybe Bird. In other words, situations where there's a consensus that someone is a major disruptive influence, and something needs to be done faster than the arbitration process can work. They shouldn't be used for routine disputes. I dislike the current situation where there seems to always be a quickpoll going on, usually involving conflicts that really aren't worth the attention of the whole community. Isomorphic 17:57, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  2. Only for cases 2, 3 and 4. I'd like some method to enforce the 3-revert rule, but with Quickpolls, enforcement turns into a popularity contest and becomes asymmetric. -- Cyan 18:15, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  3. Agreed with Cyan. It is frustrating to try to be fair and vote to ban two users only to have one of them not punished because the community perceives they are "right". I think it increases the perception that we are unfair, rather than reducing it. Jwrosenzweig 18:46, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  4. Yes, quickpolls would work great if everyone accepted the three revert guideline. Sadly, somebody always wants to make an exception, thus negating the rule. Tuf-Kat 18:54, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
  5. Agree with Cyan and Jwrosenzweig. It seems to work reasonably for cases 2, 3 and 4. Warofdreams 18:54, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No

  1. I do not think they are useful. Cases like P.Satire and Bird are better dealt with "in vivo" and "in real time" by one/several sysops, for my taste. Pfortuny 18:05, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
    Admins do not have the authority to ban except for simple vandalism. That's why we started quickpolls in the first place – so admins could get the authority to quickly block a serious problem user. Isomorphic 18:56, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  2. They've proven to be rather useless, neither quick nor particularily effective. Scrap Quickpolls. — Jor (Talk) 18:41, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  3. They are mostly used to attack opponents, even persons who have not broken any rules. Even Ed Poor has been the target of such ridiculous attacks. The whole thing is unpleasant. Nico 18:50, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  4. I believe that this experiment has shown that the time and effort required of the community to revert "rampages" and "trolling" and to deal with "excessive reverts" is rather less than the time and effort expended on quickpolls. While the community may benefit from some mechanism for dealing with problem behavior, quickpolls isn't it. UninvitedCompany 19:16, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Suggested modifications

This space is to consider possible changes to improve quickpolls

  • Most of the problems actually helped through quickpolls have been new users who are not contributing in good faith. In light of this, why not give greater discretion to sysops in dealing with this? Bearing in mind Wikipedia:Don't bite the newbies, we could still permit discretionary bans and blocks for new users (less than 30 days old?) who are disruptive and who have not made any good-faith contributions. UninvitedCompany 19:16, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Other comments

  • We need to think of automatizing the whole thing. It takes too long to solve a "quick"poll (for my taste) and so they lose their utility. I think this is not the place (now) for more thinking, so I stop here. Pfortuny 18:04, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • I don't remember to have seen Quickpolls used against misusing sysops or users confessing trolling. If this is really so, maybe it's premature to "evaluate" functions we haven't tested yet. --Ruhrjung 20:02, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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