User talk:Grenavitar/Archive 4

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You're up late

Only a wikiholic would spend Christmas eve prowling WP.

If you have the energy, take a look at what I did to Islam and clothing and Hijab. The two articles covered much the same material, so I moved material out of the clothing article into hijab, and then extensively cut, reorganized, and rewrote. There's lots of work still to be done. I think that it's less of a meandering mess than it was, however.

I should probably notify the other editors who frequently work on Islam-related articles.

Also, check out work I did on Abu Dharr. I'm kinda proud of that one. Zora 07:35, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're right about the "he"s. I copyedited. I didn't get candy, but I bought some Dove chocolates for some guests who are coming tomorrow, and I've eaten some of that, dang it. Also some pumpkin pie a neighbor gave me, and a couple of helpings of potatoes with chicken/apple sausage. That's my reserve Weight Watcher's points for the week, and it's not even Christmas yet. Zora 08:20, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nazir Ahmad

Is there a quote that supports that or is it the news articles that inferred that? Unless there's a specific quote I think it would be better to leave that out until there is some sort of confirmation that that was his motivation. Seems like he just lost it after the first one. KI 19:21, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Excellent. If you get a chance take a look at Chadian-Sudanese War. I've been expanding it as much as I can, but another view would surely help. KI 20:32, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Chadian-Sudanese War was moved to Chad-Sudan conflict due to some ambiguity over whether Idriss Deby said Chad was in a "state of belligerance" or a "state of war." We now know he meant "war" as Chadian forces are entering Sudanese territory and are fighting either the Sudanese government itself, or the Rally for Democracy and Liberty. Long story short, since your an administrator could you move the page back to: Chadian-Sudanese War or Chad-Sudan War. Thanks. KI 04:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

I'm new to Wikipedia and I have a question. I have found a page I think is made up, Chung fu Tzi, and I'd like to get rid of it...if that's possible...how do I do that? KI 22:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is now a majority, 3:1, to move the page to Chad-Sudan War. KI 19:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See: Talk:Chad-Sudan_conflict#War_vs._Conflict

Diacritics

Hey there. I saw your peer review for Mosque, and saw that you mentioned something about diacritics? I don't disagree with you, but I was wondering if you knew of any official Wikipedia guidelines regarding this? I fleshed out a dicussion in the Cádiz talk page, with the main issue being the Spanish Cádiz versus the general English usage of Cadiz. Do we use the anglicized version on the English Wikipedia - and how will this affect Mosque's peer review and its possible future FAC? My conclusions have all been, well, inconclusive. ;) Let me know if you have any suggestions. Happy holidays! -Rebelguys2 23:54, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hatred

Hello Grenavitar,

I have recently started following some of the Islam associated pages, and I notice that there is a lot of people who are filled with hatred toward it, that post content on the pages, and as well as on the talk pages, and try to skew the articles toward the negative. Similar things have happened on the Baha'i pages, of course not to the same extent, and I wanted to know what you think is the best way to deal with these things. I don't want to seem heavy-handed, which not only looks negative, but at the same time can reinforce the other editors negative feelings. The other thing is that since I'm a Baha'i, whatever changes I make to those negative comments, also seems biased, so I was wondering what you think is the best way to allow for a neutral POV when both sides are inherantly biased. Thanks, -- Jeff3000 19:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply, definitely something to continue to thinking about. -- Jeff3000 05:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Critics of Islam

Hi Gren, you may wish to note the activities of User:Amenra which mostly amount to putting people in this category. Including, for example, Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd, which strikes me as a completely unidimensional and unfair categorisation of one of the most significant intellectuals of the contemporary Arab world. Amongst others. Any idea what the best way to deal with this is? Is this category something that should be deleted as too simplistic? What the @£*& do Nasr Hamid Abu Zayd, Bat Ye'or and St. John of Damascus have in common that justifies categorising them together like this? I see nobody has answered your well-put question on Talk:List of critics of Islam.

I think I am in need of a wikibreak, before I completely lose my temper and ability to respond rationally to the way people talk about Islam and the Arab world here! Palmiro | Talk 03:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shi'a rampage

I'm exhausted. Paradoxic has created a Twelver Shi'a template in bright green that he is applying to various articles -- usually so that it overlaps the article text. It is not just Shi'a, but Twelver, and accuses Sunni caliphs of murdering all the imams (described as martyrs). I remove the template and he puts it back -- without marking it as a revert, and marking the edit as minor. He is also feeling his oats on the Islamic conquest of Iran page, which he thinks is a suitable venue for giving his views on Iranian politics.

I have been working on this for hours. No sooner do I NPOV a page than he reverts to his Shi'a version. What next? Do we just play revert war, me trying to recruit Sunni to hold the fort against the Shi'a? I hate this. Zora 04:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:French Collaboration Project

Hi Gren! Well I think the project is almost ready for a drive. Have a look! Cheers -- Szvest 10:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up}[reply]

Crticisms

Hello Grenavitar, I see the criticims of Islam is not on the main page, and that is the case for all other major religions, but linked in the "See also" section. The Baha'i editors would like to follow the same style, but one user keeps adding them up. I don't want to be the one who takes them down, as I am biased. I was wondering if you could look at the "Commentary" section in Baha'i Faith and see if you agree with it's removal from the main page. The Baha'i criticism page which is called Baha'i apologetics is already linked in the "See also" section. Thanks -- Jeff3000 15:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the suggestions and statement. -- Jeff3000 19:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi Elections?

Hey, I was just wondering, are you from Iraq, and if so, who did you vote for in the recent elections!? Wikizach 16:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I asked, si because you have "Lā ilaha ilā al-ishq" — Al-Irāqī on your front page. I thought Al-Iraqi means, IRAQ! Why do you even have that there in the 1st place? Wikizach 18:00, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

...for having translated the fr:déparement d'Oran page. --196.206.232.2 21:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]