User talk:Lozleader

List of Town Councils in the Republic of Ireland

I notice that you altered my edit. I suggest that if you want this to remain a list of towns which had urban countil status, you change the heading from "List of Town Councils in the Republic of Ireland" to "List of Towns with Town Councils in Ireland". As it stands, this is not a list of town councils. --Damac 20:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Local Government Act 1888

Hi. Excellent work on Local Government Act 1888 - I've been doing similar things lately (see List of rural and urban districts in England...)

I wonder if you have access to a copy of it? Morwen - Talk 23:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I have a few questions about it then - does it redefine the Lieutenancies itself or was that done later? Does it define the administrative counties in detail (lists of parishes and suchforth), or does it refer to the traditional divisions like the Ridings and Parts and suchforth directly?

What I really want now is a copy of the LGA(Scotland)Act1889, because from things written in sources I've consulted, along with stuff on visionofbritain.org.uk, I suspect it doesn't explicitly create seperate "administrative counties" like the England/Wales one did. It looks like they set up county councils based on the existing borders, and then set up a boundary commission to change these in the next couple of years. Morwen - Talk 14:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, thanks very much! If it really says 'form a seperate county for all non-administrative purposes by the name of the county of London.' then that's the lieutenancies bit right there. We've been told that there is wording in the Act that explicitly doesn't alter the "ancient and geographic counties" - did you find such a section?

I guess 'metropolis' was defined in the Metropolitan Board of Works legislation.

By the way, you can sign your name by typing ~~~~

Morwen - Talk 16:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yay. And thanks again. Morwen - Talk 16:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You totally rule. Please tell me where I can send your christmas card. ;) Morwen - Talk 01:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've updated a couple of pages in accordance with this. Will think about it a bit more. Morwen - Talk 20:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional counties

Hi Lozleader, Just in case you werent aware, we've had enormous rows in the past about "traditional counties" and their usage on wikipedia. We even had one person who insisted that we have seperate articles for traditional and administrative counties. So your clarification is very usefull. Try reading Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (places) and Talk:Gloucestershire for examples of this dispute. G-Man 20:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re your comments on my talk page. Yep I quite agree that old counties are imporant from a historic point of view. The real bone of contention is that certain people such as 80.255 and User:Owain insist upon refering to them in the present tense (see Glamorgan for example). Which I and many others think is quite absurd and utterly misleading to readers, but there you go. Keep up the good work. G-Man 20:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Local Government (Scotland) Act 1889

So, what is the wording regarding Ross and Cromarty? From what you've written it seems it made them one "county" as well as one "administrative county" a la Middlesex, is that right?

Morwen - Talk 22:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whee. What about Orkney and Shetland? Shetland wasn't a county before? Morwen - Talk 22:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. And finally, does it actually use the term "administrative county", then? Morwen - Talk 22:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aha. I thought so (see top). this is what gave the game away. Morwen - Talk 22:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I daresay the reason was merely that there were no county boroughs in Scotland (the cities already being considered outwith the counties). Anyway, good night, and thanks very much for the research! Morwen - Talk 22:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Further suggestions

If you are in need of further suggestions of things to research, how about the following?

table of boroughs made post-1835
lists of burghs and their various types

Morwen - Talk 11:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish islands

Thanks for digging that out. Kind regards. Mrsteviec 20:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

It was actually Morwen who did the merger at User:Morwen/counties of Scotland, I just copied and pasted it and made a few tweaks. I re-added the bit about joint county councils.

Changing the subject, according to 80.255 there were several General Register Office's Census Reports in 1891 1901 and 1911 which according to him give seperate sets of statistics for "administrative counties" and "ancient and geographic counties". Which he claims made it clear that "ancient and geographic counties" were seperate entities and were not abolised in 1889. Now personally I'm sceptical (why did they not do this after 1911?) but it would be interesting to see what the reports actually said, and maybe this would shed light on the subject. I havn't got a clue how to find such things, but you might know.

If you can find no reference to historic counties being specifically preserved in the 1888 act then perhaps these reports are the source of the belief that it did. G-Man 23:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, I can see reference to "Ancient Counties" but nothing about "Ancient and Geographic Counties", which supports your view. Also If they still existed after 1889 then why did they stop compiling figures for them after 1911, that seems rather odd, that also supports your view. It would be nice if there was an explanation somewhere about why they did this. Anyway the more we look into the arguments put foreward by the traditional counties types, the weaker they look. G-Man * 23:24, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

County boroughs

I had the Act that increased the limit to 75,000 down as being the "Local Government (County Boroughs and Adjustments Act) 1926", not the 1929 act itself. Morwen - Talk 12:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Neat. It occurs to me that much of this stuff should be public domain (everything Crown Copyright published before 1955 is), and therefore you might possibly be able to scan it (although if they are tied to the reference collection of a library or somesuch this might be tricky). Morwen - Talk 17:48, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rural/urban districts in Ireland

It would be nice, but low priority. I assume they were never reformed in the 26 counties? Just abolished as created? Morwen - Talk 09:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aha. I have discovered [1]. Morwen - Talk 10:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

CofE dioceses

So it looks like 1836/7 was a crucial year. Although only one new diocese (Ripon) was created, another two (Bristol & Gloucester) were joined; and several others had their borders redrawn to be simpler. Then nothing more happened for another decade or so. Doops | talk 00:13, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]