User talk:Celestianpower

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All of my talk page messages, written between December 9 2005 and December 20 2005 have now been archived. See User:Celestianpower/Archive14 to revive a topic if you so wish.

Congrats!

File:Weird Al Yankovic - Polka Party!.jpg

➨ ❝REDVERS❞ congratulates Celestianpower on becoming the new head of Esperanza!

Re: Advisory Council

I am available:

Saturday (31th December 2005) from 11am to about 5-6pm (UTC)
Sunday (1st January 2006) from 11am to about 10pm (UTC)

Fir e Fox 21:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

First off, congratulations... but I think I had already left you a message about that. ;). As for an IRC meeting... well, I don't know. Saturday (tomorrow), I might be able to do it, as long as it is before 22:00 UTC, and Sunday, I had already planed some things with my family, so there's some conflicts there. I'll try to be there tomorrow "early", though. Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 21:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, but I wasn't able to attend the meeting (I'm just getting online right now). Was there a meeting? If so, what was agreed upon? If not, when is it going to be? Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 00:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza election

Thank you for your support in the Esperanza Election. I was unsuccessful in the end of the election but I would like to thank you for having confidence in me to be a future admin general/ advisory council member. SWD316 ^{talk to m}^e 23:06, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza elections

Thanks for voting for me in the Esperanza elections. I've been appointed to the Advisory Committee, thanks to your show of confidence in me. I'll do my best to make you proud, but please feel free to ask me for help at any time or to give me tips as to what you would like to do. Thanks for being an active member of Esperanza! I'll see you around, boss. Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 00:56, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza Elections

Celestianpower

Thanks for voting for me at the Esperanza Elections.

I've made my way into the Advisory Committee, so if you ever need any help or have any queries about the stuff we do, please do not hesitate to ask me. Thanks again, Fir e Fox 11:49, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, and I look forward to working with you! Sorry for the long response - I was off drafting a letter which I've posted to the mailing list and talk page. I'll reply to you via email. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 16:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Add this Congrats to the list! -- Szvest 16:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC) ^{Wiki me up}[reply]

Happy New Year

May you have a great New Year. I particularly want to thank you for your help, humour and advice over the last one. Cheers and here's to many more. --Alf ^melmac 23:45, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Userboxes

I noticed you restored a couple of the deleted userboxes. Any help in this area is greatly appreciated. The userbox deletions were all a blatant violation of Wikipedia deletion policy and need to be overturned until such time as the proper TFD process is followed. Firebug 01:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly Martin's RfC

Hi there Celestianpower,

Thank you for endorsing our RfC and getting entangled in this potentially very thorny issue. As you are the Admin General of Wikipedia's Be Nice advocacy group, your presence would be of great help to us. I just hope we haven't bitten off more than we can chew. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 01:17, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year!

I just wanted to thank you for introducing me (through your user page) to "User GWB"! I do wonder why the category says "dislike", but the box "hate"... I want to HATE him every day, in every way (he's the only person I claim to HATE presently, so I like to get all my mileage! :) Best wishes, Xoloz 17:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may also appreciate my political motto, which is, "Bushes are for pruning and watering, never for leading or following!" Xoloz 17:10, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Admending the E Charter.

I heard that some Esperenza people want to admend some rules in the charter. What exactly do they want to amend and when?

!Thank You! Wikizach 17:43, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you very much for the welcome Celestianpower! That was a really short charter to read. :)--a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 18:39, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stroud

Hi Celestianpower, I was reading up on Marling school and saw the pictures taken by you, I was wondering if you had any more photos? And if you have any more knowledge on the Marling school please let me know..Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tennis nowornever (talk • contribs) 01:30, 2 January 2006 (UTC) --Celestianpower ^háblame 10:46, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Hlj

I've noticed you nominate all of potential administrators and I believe Hlj is a good candidate. He's done a lot of work on Civil War related articles and American history in general. He's got three barnstars and has started numerous biographical and battle articles. Please consider nominating him. Thanks, KI 05:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advisory Council Stuff

Hey Celestian, i've finished the experimental structure for making a reformed version of NPA through the ideas of Esperanza as a whole, I was wondering what you thought about my process for it, as well as the idea overall. karmafist 08:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:EA welcome

Heh, you could at least try to avoid putting the header down twice :P NSLE _(T+C+CVU) 11:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot </div> on welcome bulletin

Hi Celestianpower, just wanted to let you know that you forgot the </div> tag at the end of the Esperanza welcome bulletin on my talk page. :-) Otherwise, thanks and see you around. --BenjaminTsai ^Talk 13:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Woops

One of my friends who likes Wikipedia was at my house. He wanted to sign me up for esperanza and I didn't really know what it was though. He sort of explained it to me and put me on list people wanting to be members. Now that I have actually looked at the Esperanza page I see that I don't really have time to do any of that kind of stuff. I like Wikipedia and everything but I can't go putting stuff up on people's talk pages all the time and telling them to relax. Do I need to delete my name from the page of current members or does it really matter? schyler 00:09, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ACK!

The job is cursed! -- Essjay · Talk 21:37, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

deletion

Dear Celestianpower:

I would like to know the reasons for which you have erased the entrance "Salvador Minguijon Pérez." It didn't have any commercial objective and it had been created by Mark Nowotarski (one of the best experts in patent in the financial sector) as an intent of convincing the financial entities that should be more innovative and more dynamic and that the patents are a tool to protect their efforts.

Thank you.

[email protected] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.33.235.45 (talk) 13:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because of this. --Celestianpower ^háblame 13:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcoming people to Esperanza...

I've welcomed a couple of people to Esperanza in the past few days, but I've done it by copying-and-pasting your template (see the foot of User talk:Loopy for an example). Is there an easier way that I'm missing in my cluelessness? Maybe a {{subst:espwelcome}}-type-thing we could be using? For some sad reason I enjoy welcoming new users and new Esperanzians (possibly because I had to go on Clueless Newbies and ask to be welcomed when I first started at the 'pedia!) and this would make it slightly easier. Cheers muchly, my friend! :) ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 21:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thought it would be something obvious I'd missed! Many thanks as usual for your time and help! :) ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 22:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Celestian power, muchas gracias!

Celestian, thanks for your support in my RfA! It is much appreciated! I will do my best to be a good admin, and if there is anything I can do for you, please do ask! Incidentally, here's something we have in common: though as a child I was a sports fanatic, I have grown to DETEST SPORT! So there you go. See you around, and again, thanky thanky! Babajobu 21:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: WP:MIND

Yes, sorry, I've been pretty busy the past two or three days. Going to do it now. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've posted the rules; please see WP:MIND. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 00:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

- You've earned it. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 13:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! :D --Celestianpower ^háblame 13:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merci beaucoup

Hello Celestianpower, thank you for your support in the Esperanza election. Let me know if I can do anything for you in return. with kind regards Gryffindor 16:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Many thanks for nominating me for adminiship, I'm sure you'll be glad to know the final result was 92/1/0. I am now an administrator and (as always) if I do anything you have issue with, please talk about it with me. --Alf ^melmac 08:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Pgk's RFA

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (80/3/0), so I am now an administrator. I was flattered by the level of support and the comments, so I'm under real pressure not to disappoint, thus if you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as an admin then please leave me a note --pgk^(talk) 10:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Boss

When's the advisory council meeting again? Also, we have a few people lining up for admin training, it's time to spam our membership's talk page before the line gets too backed up and we lose credibility in that. karmafist 22:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, we only have two unassigned editors, everyone else is covered. I feel real iffy about assigning more than one editor to a single coach, but if you think that it is a good idea, tell me. That said, we could always use more volunteers, which would do away with that problem entirely... Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 07:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats

Just came back from a Christmas/New Years vacation, so didnt see the election results. I see you've become head honcho of the club! :-) Congrats! The Minist e r of War ^(Peace) 19:20, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name Origins

My apologies - I thought it was long enough to deserve its own heading. Won't happen again. NP Chilla (talk)

CNN blanking problems

Hi Celestianpower. I would appreciate it if you would look over the last 36 hours' worth of history on the CNN page. I think there may be a new 3RR violation there, by the same person you had to put a short block on just a few days ago for the same reason. Thanks, --Aaron 20:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The reverts are continuing, with the user apparently purposefully spacing his reverts out just enough to skirt the 24-hour rule, thus I can't report him on the WP:AN3 page. If you have time, I'd really appreciate a look at the page. --Aaron 20:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused; I see at least three reverts by him in just the last 36 hours. Maybe I don't understand what counts as a revert; is it not still a revert even if he replaces one set of content with his own (highly POV) content instead of merely blanking? --Aaron 20:37, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some recent reverts / 180-degree POV rewrites of his, all of which occurred after his 24-hour block expired. I think they show bad faith, particularly given the comments this user has made on the Talk:CNN and Talk:Fox News Channel pages. Also note he has blanked the comments I and you put on his user talk page regarding his first 3RR. Not against the rules, but certainly discouraged and more evidence of bad faith, IMHO:

I believe the first five examples I listed above constitute a clear second 3RR violation on his part (it all took place in a span of 18 hours), but I've listed everything just so you know the entire series of events. Thanks again for your time looking into this. --Aaron 21:07, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help in this matter. Sorry to take up your time. --Aaron 23:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User page

Thanks for the redesign, but KnowledgeOfSelf had already beaten you to it by about two months... :P. I changed it back because all of my user space now uses that same format, and I couldn't figure out a way to adjust the design of all the pages. But thanks, anyways! Tito xd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikiquote

Hi there CP. I was just going over some edits and I found that the Wikiquote and other sister projects templates are not placed in a certain area. {ex. the Adam Copeland page has it listed on the top of the article and Mark Calaway article has it listed at the bottom). I wanted to propose that it be listed at the top (see: Adam Copeland for the way I wanted it to be done). But where would I make such a proposal for that template. I'm not sure how many people would agree with me on this but I think that the templates for sister projects should be listed at the top. SWD316 ^{talk to m}^e 04:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

User:Sceptre/RfA

UK Internet for Learning Vandalism

I see you have unblocked the 62.171.194.0/26 range. I understand that you edit from this IP range and while you need to be accomodated, something needs to be done to stop the vandalism from this range. It is out of control. Every IP has dozens of warnings on their talk page, and dozens of blocks in the logs. Have you seen the discussion at WP:ANI#Inexhaustible vandalism from the UK Internet for Learning: range block warranted.3F? User:Zoe has emailed [email protected] (which is listed on the IP WHOIS) and received no response. I'd be very grateful if you could participate in this discussion and help figure out what can be done. I have spent hours searching for and reverting vandalism for every day this range has gone unblocked this week. I have also caught many subtle bad faith edits that would likely have gone unnoticed had someone not been researching the contributions from those IPs for vandalism. The history of the IPs certainly seems to warrant an extended block. There are 8 hours until school is in session again. Could you help? Thanks. -- Renesis13 00:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Polling the 31/36 hour block...

...here. BDAbramson T 02:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Amibidhrohi blocking

I suggest you reconsider the blocking of User:Amibidhrohi over the CNN edit war. By Wikipedia:Blocking policy, I do not think that blocking for reasons of 'major POV slant' without arbitration or community consensus to be appropiate, or indeed allowed by guidelines. Clearly, by reading the appropiate talkpage, the user in question is guilty of incivility and possibly POV pushing - but so it seems have other users.

It seems to me that the correct action to resolve the dispute permanently is not to do as you did and give the appearance that one side can 'win' by appealling to a higher power, but by submitting the matter to some sort of mediation, third view etc and wringing out a broader consensus than 3 flame warriors can achieve. At the very least, you should have allowed the user to answer back for himself and explain his position. As a measure of good faith, I would recommend that you remove the Block asap and write up a RFC entry.--Fangz 04:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree. He looked for an uninvolved admin on IRC, explained the situation more calmly, and I do think that the other side is guilty of POV pushing also. However, that isn't a blockable offense, at least not with the current policy. I won't unblock myself, but I hope you look more into this. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 04:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- "He looked for an uninvolved admin on IRC..." Interesting. That's exactly how all this started, when I went onto IRC to ask for an uninvolved admin to look at the CNN situation; Celestianpower agreed to do so, and the result was Amibidhrohi's first 3RR block. I stand by my evidence as posted above; he has given numerous indications of acting in bad faith in his actions on CNN and Fox News Channel (which include instances not merely of adding information supporting his own POV but completely blanking what was already there in order to turn the section into the mirror image of what it had been), his statements on Talk:CNN and Talk:Fox News Channel, and both his statements and actions on his own talk page (check the history on that page; don't just read it as it currently stands). I am in no way against any changes to the "Allegations of bias" sections of either of those two pages, so long as everyone involved works towards consensus (I have left edits of his intact when I felt they legitimately added to the bias section). If Amibidhrohi will be willing to work with us to create bias sections on those pages that present both sides of the argument, instead of blanking and replacing entire article sections with his own rewrites, there will be no further problems. --Aaron 05:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- My two cents: Titoxd said "I do think that the other side is guilty of POV pushing also." since I have had the most heated discussions with Amib on the talk page, I am guessing this could be referring to me. if so, i would like you to point out what i said that could be construed as "POV pushing". without cutting and pasting and making this talkpage insanely long, anyone can read Amib's comments on the cnn talk-page and in particular the foxnews talk page (ie: UK perspectives December 22nd) and see he is pushing his agenda. he repeatedly wiped out the entire controversies section for CNN because he didn't like what it said. after he got banned, he has stopped that practice, but he is still deleting most of the controversies section on a regular basis. his official "reason" for deleting the cnn section was because things weren't cited properly, after everything was cited properly, he still continued eliminating everything. This was after saying on the fox news page that as long as something could be cited it belonged. he is employing different standards on different pages because, as he has made clear, he despises fox news. off subject a little, but i think alot of the problem could be solved if a uniform standard was agreed upon for both the Fox News and the CNN controversies section. Amib is not willing to do this. i personally don't think that just because something can be cited that it belongs on wiki(as there are partisan websites devoted to attacking each news site). imo both sides deserve a concise controversies section with maybe a half dozen or so of the strongest gripes that people may have. the cnn site, as it currently exists, is a good example of how this can be achieved. fox news, obviously, has gone well beyond this. even though this is my opinion, i have never gone about unilaterally enforcing my opinion through editing like Amib has repeatedly done. anyways, i'm rambling, but this is my POV FWIW. RonMexico 14:09, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Howdie...My justifications for deleting that mess on the CNN page is detailed on the CNN talk page. POV is a secondary concern when the information added constitutes original research and their sources do not support the text being posted on the entry. I've kept everything that is backed by a reasonably cited source on the page.

Until I began editing the entry, the heading sentence that precedes the allegations (under bullets) read:

"CNN has come under criticism by conservatives for alleged liberal bias. Critics have claimed that CNN's reporting contains liberal editorializing within news stories, and have jokingly referred to CNN as the "Clinton News Network," the "Communist News Network," or "Clearly Not Neutral". Conservatives point to the following as evidence of the alleged bias:"

This opening sentence had been reverted to by both Ronmexico and Aaron despite its highly POV meaning. If you can't see the POV in that, well...

The bullet points uder it use various sites of sources, all but one fail to imply that CNN was actually baised.

I removed that opening sentence because of its POV nature and those bulleted points under it that were constructed from the Original research of the WP editors who added them. How is my removing them amounting to POV? When one of the claims from that list were finally backed by a source that actually made the allegation posted on the WP entry, the Lou Dobbs paragraph, I kept it, along with the opening line.

I added one other allegation that amounted to criticism levied by the another side (not necessarily liberal), that being that critics claim the media, including CNN, dealt with the Bush administrative with 'kid gloves' (quoting the article cited) after the 9-11 tragedy, and particularly in dealing with pre-war intelligence. In the paragraph I added, I didn't even make a claim that this amounted to bias of any kind, but rather intimidation of CNN. How is that POV?

I'd like to phrase my understanding in a nicer tone, but since accuracy trumps niceness...Ronmexico and Aaron are so delusional under their political ideological allegiance that anything that claims anything other than that CNN is part of some liberal cabal amounts to POV. My very last post before you had me banned included most of their allegations in addition to mine. Not because I felt the information they stand behind is any more credible than before, but merely as a compromise. If having the article being 100% credible isn't an option, 50% credible and 50% rubbish will just have to do. And you STILL blocked me.

As for Celestianpower, as an NPOV admin, I hope you wouldn't mind telling me whom I'd have to consult over having your administrative powers revoked. You're a poor administrator here, not up to the task of handling disputes on Wikipedia. You didn't participate on the CNN page, you didn't ask me about my edits, you didn't warn me regarding the block. You've shown nothing to demonstrate you were aware of the conflict on the entry, much less that you're a credible authority to be silencing people on the basis of your findings. You're incompetent. Amibidhrohi 17:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you deserve to know that Amibidhrohi is continuing his one-man attack campaign against you on other pages: Talk:CNN#Celestianpower_abusing_his.2Fher_Admin_Powers. --Aaron 18:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think an admin frivilously blocking people is something to be taken lightly. In the context of the CNN article, it's important to note what voices are being kept from expressing themselves. Amibidhrohi 19:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

it is getting incredibly tiresome and not even worth the effort to correct amib's increasingly frequent vandalism. I am requesting that an administrator go to the cnn and foxnews pages and edit using an even standard on both pages. amib has given up any facade of being fair, he is blatantly using different standards for different things. all i'm asking, begging, for is a universal standard. and just saying "look at the rules" will not help because we are dealing with someone who is repeatedly breaking all the rules. ETA: i apologize to celest for the length of all this discussion, and appreciate your effort in dealing with this issue. RonMexico 22:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're not asking for AN admin, you're asking for THIS admin, who's behavior regarding my account has been critisized by three other admins as overstepping. Amibidhrohi 23:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to block Amibidhrohi again. I'm consulting another admin now and if that isn't satisfactory, please take it to WP:AN/I. I have also, you may like to know, responded here. --Celestianpower ^háblame 09:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your school

Hey man, first of all, do you have access to "Internet preferences" ? Tools->options in Firefox, Tools->internet options in IE. If you do, you could try changing the proxy settings to just one of those IPs (its probably currently a round-robin) and then use that one and block all the others. If it is only set to one IP, this is probably some kind of local proxy that makes requests to a round-robin of upstream proxies. In this case, you can still try and make direct requests to the upstream proxies, but I don't know if it will work. Is your sysadmin a reasonable (and non-braindead) guy? You could ask him about it. If all else fails I can set you up some kind of HTTP/HTTP proxy. If you have no idea what I just wrote and you think you might be interested in it, feel free to email me. - FrancisTyers 10:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Snicket Wikiproject

Thanks for offering, but I think I'll pass. My interest in the series is currently fading - everyone on the Snickwiki can attest to that. I may take you up on this that certain Friday in October, though. Thanks again! - Doug teh H-Nut 18:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Laughing...

...at your heap of messages you have to deal with then you get online :) →Fir e Fox 19:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]