User talk:Jfdwolff/Archive 33

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Judaism articles

Hi Jfdwolff - I'm pretty new to Wikipedia so I guess I got pretty excited about it all and put a bit too much detail into some contributions. But I still think it can go into quite substantial detail. As to Judaism articles, that sounds great, I've added abstracts of tractates in the Mishna article and made separate article starts for the orders. Also seeing Rosh Hashanah (Talmud) and Taanit have their own page I started one on Avodah Zarah although if you you thought that other one was too detailed wait till you see that one! But I think since some tractates have their own pages it would be good to have at least the major ones with their own pages. So, some heavy editing is welcome and if you have any ideas about Judaism articles to be touched up/expanded, tell me. Thanks, Frikle 10:17, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

CAM boxes

Here it is. Our Article Series Box that does not even look like a box. Template:CamTiny

Replace {{CamBottom}} with {{CamTiny}}.

I want to make sure that you have seen this post. -- John Gohde 16:06, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I feel like our articles developed something like a foot fungus. Maybe someone makes a spray for these? You're the administrator-- do something before they spread. Alteripse 17:14, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The mycosis pedis lesion on the plantar aspect of Disease doesn't look very "tiny". Can we expect it to spread to all other diseases? Some damfool has an alternative treatment to virtually anything, but I might quit editing -- or else start pushing to quarantine the vector-- if they spread to the articles I'm working on. How do the other members of the mess feel about this?

Also, user:Prisonblues did some nice additions to leptin; I invited him to drop by the mess. Alteripse 00:25, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re clinical depression - I got rid of it and commented that if he/she wants complementary medicine mentioned in the article then they should put a section header and relate comp meds directly to the article. Sticking such a vague, open set of links down there... I can't see the benefit.

Done. The phases of the CAM project have been clearly laid out. First, we identify. Next, we label. And, finally we take over. It called making a smooth transition. -- John Gohde 16:58, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The branches link takes you to a list which includes cognitive behaviour therapy, but it's down a long list which includes 100s of other items - including coin rubbing (holds head in hands) .

Essentially, if someone wants to spread the word about complementary therapy well, frankly, don't be so bloomin' lazy! ;o)

More seriously though, as a member of a family that suffers with profound mental ill health some of these "medicines" make me rather angry. Or rather the fees for them do. --bodnotbod 14:37, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

Why is there a backout of virtually all coverage of preventative medicine from a conventional medicine perspective? Will the CAM project be the first group to make the connection public from an alternative point of view? -- John Gohde 17:05, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There is now two options. You can either display it on the very top of the article as a category (Alternative medicine) or on the very bottom of the page. Clicking on either will provide the explanation. {{CamTiny}} now works completely like text, because it is text.

Template:CamTiny

It is your choice: Categories on top or See other on bottom. -- John Gohde 20:28, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I'd like to propose a third option for the real medicine articles: an even tinier label, Template:Certified CAM free. Alteripse 22:16, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

From the rubosis of the link I gather this was glosso in maxilla. JFW | T@lk 22:32, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Depends on how annoyed I get at the CAM vector. Keep reminding me to keep a sense of humor.Alteripse 22:35, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

One tries... JFW | T@lk 22:38, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

He's put in the section now. Well, I asked for it. Now I have to pick it apart. Not up to it now. Too busy smoking. --bodnotbod 23:47, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)

I've made my edits to the comp.med and alt.med parts of Clinical depression - please have a look at Talk:Clinical depression, I'd appreciate your input. --bodnotbod 14:22, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)

This attack against {{CamBottom}} is total nonsense, as you very well know. {{CamBottom}} is an ASB.

The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB is absolutely huge.
The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB violates the every WikiProject has to chose and use its own color rule.
The WikiProject on Medicine's ASB pushes a POV, just as much as our ASBs do.
Everywhere we have actually bothered to state our views, our ASBs etc. have been deleted / vandalized. Everywhere where we have wasted time doing what you people have asked for our ASBs etc. have been deleted / vandalized.

-- John Gohde 14:29, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Talmud and Orthodox Judaism

Hi Dr Wolff,

First, I must compliment you on your editing skills; you have “a great eye”.

As regards the articles on Judaism, I have some thoughts:

Perhaps it would be possible to initially catalogue / classify all the related articles. There may be an existing schema which would facilitate this process. ( Library of Congress , Dewey, or even the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia framework )

Once this is complete, “editorial” responsibility could be distributed for each category. I imagine that there might be some wiki protocol or precedent relating to this.

In general, and by editor, “POV stuff “can be treated via an inclusion in each article of the sort: The Talmud in modern day Judaism. Similar treatment could be applied to parochial external links.

“The list” might also serve as a basis for standardization in spelling and terminology.

Do you suppose that the content of the wiki articles could be (ought to be) “validated” against outside sources, for example the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia?

Fintor | talk

Congratulations on the "de-poving"; I saw that myself but hesitated to act...

"Jewish glossary" is a great idea; I will set to work and message as it progresses.

Fintor | talk, June 3 20:49 UTC

Categories for Judaism

Take a look at the "categories" for Jewish texts, such as Talmud and Torah, someone has decided it belongs under "Jewish MYTHOLOGY"???? Can we do something about it soon please!

OBJECTION!!!

I OBJECT most strongly to placing the classical Jewish texts under the category "Jewish Mythology". "Category:Jewish mythology" and the Subcategories being "Category:Jewish texts" And then God becomes ARBITRARILY part of "mythology"! Perhaps Midrash could go with it, BUT not these others. I vote that the titles be REVERSED and that "Jewish mythology" become a Subtext of Jewish texts. I plan to take this to arbitration!IZAK 12:30, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And I thought the CAM categorization on the medical articles was a problem. ;-) Kd4ttc 16:18, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hi, re your message, how narrow the categories?

Hi JF, You say that you have sent me personal messages in my Talk section, but I do not see anything new from you?

I do not agree with your narrow view of the categories as the Mussar Movement or the Torah Im Derech Eretz movement were powered by Rabbis and by the Jewish Texts they taught, it was all one in essence: "Yisroel, Ve'oraisa, VeKudsha Brich Hu - Chad Hu" : "Israel (the people), and the Torah and God are ONE", is what I was always taught, how about you? Similarly for "Jewish texts" it's the Rabbis who teach them and keep them vitally alive. The Torah and the Talmud do not exist in a vacuuum but in a symbiotic relationship with their teachers (usually the rabbis) and their students who are the Jewish people) that practice Judaism, which ties it all together. After all, I am not connecting the subjects with astro-physics or unrelated categories. I suppose it's a different perspective. IZAK 09:36, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

See my reply...on my Talk page IZAK 10:55, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Attributing edits

Hi! I've already logged in. Now I would like to know how my contributions from my old number can be switched to my new username, Marcus2. --65.73.0.137

OK, I've added my request. Now, how long would I have to wait before my old contributions are switched from 65.73.0.137 to Marcus2? --Marcus2 (65.73.0.137)

I was going to hold my vote till he accepted, but ... why wait<G>. More level head sshould make for a better Wikipedia. - Nunh-huh 20:35, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Admin nomination

Thank you for the kind words and (admittedly rather unexpected) nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. It was very nice of you to put my name forth for consideration, and I've humbly accepted. --Diberri | Talk 22:24, Jun 8, 2004 (UTC)