Talk:Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan

Warning

A Jamaati has waged its own brand of 'holy war' against the neutral policies of the WIKIPEDIA...with changing IDs the activist, rather say warier is changing the face of this and relating article…I have gathered information about the user and further investigations are going on…I warn the user and the group to refrain from damaging the articles and let information with it truest face come to the surface for the global community. They are active especially in the Islamic and topics on terrorism etc. You can observe their history and language in some main topics--for example:

I concur. Right now Siddiqui is trying to rewrite the history by removing the well known facts of the Jamaat Islami running militant anti-Ahmadiyya agitations. This has been widely documented in Pakistan and International press but its Jamaatis like Siddiqui who think by taking it out of here they can make everyone forget about these facts. Yahya

Jamaati opposition to Pakistan

"While persisting to his Anti-Pakistan Ideology Maududi writes in one of his books,"If we have ever uttered a single word in the favor of creation of Pakistan, it must be proved with references". That is why Jamat-e-Islami also did not support Muslim League,the only representative of Muslims of India, in core ellection of 1945-46."

That was added to the article by anon contributor 202.154.236.148 (talk · contribs). Can someone please verify/clarify? --AI 06:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Urdu Wikipedia or English?

"The Jamat is very active in the field of Dawah, Tarbiyah and Tanzeem almost in all the areas of Pakistan." This is the English wikipedia, correct? This sentence has no meaning to an English speaker. Mustaqbal 07:12, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Lanka

[1] mentions a JI branch in Sri Lanka. The question again pops up, is JI an international/regional organization or are the different groups independent bodies? --Soman 23:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Jama-at-e Islami* Pakistan, JI Hind, JI Banglades and JI Srilanka are different Islamic parties. Though they share same idiology they differ in policies, according to the situations of respective countries. They are not branches of a sigle international organization.
islamism* 61.2.201.102 09:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)Alikoya KK61.2.201.102 09:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism by Siddiqui

I have removed several unhelpful addition by Yahya01.

Siddiqui 01:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am sure a Jamaati will find them "unhelpful" as they show the real face of Jaamat as it is. If you find these acts so shameful, perhaps Jammat should not have done them in the first place. Yahya 02:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Calling people names is not going to help you in any way. This incident has been recorded next time you be reported to Wkikipedia.

Siddiqui 15:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jamaat-e-Islami’s whole history of terrorism is recorded in Pakistani & International press. Do not try to remove these proven facts. You have been warned. Yahya

This Wikipedia and not your personal website. Please follow Wikipedia rules.

Siddiqui 23:33, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think blanking out valid information is part of wiki rules. Who are you trying to kid? Yahya

User:Siddiqui's edits

Please refrain blanking valid content provided by other editors. If you feel some text is inappropriate, please discuss it here, so we can aim for a consensus. Veej 01:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Siddiqui's comments moved here. Veej 02:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC) :[reply]

I am deleted the Yaya01's addditions on that page. Please check the history of that page. I have never seen your contribution or participitation in that page. Please back up your allegations of vandalism. I am reverting your changes until you proved the proof. Siddiqui 01:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

rather than becoming involved in an edit war, perhaps we can discuss this. One of the sections that you removed is; "Jamaat publishes hardline demands of the Pakistan Government". This section is quoted directly from Jamaat's website & referenced. It provides a much needed insight into the agenda of Jamaat. 1) What is your objection to this? Veej 02:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2) You also removed this link, Asian Tribune - Militancy in Pakistan. The Asian Tribune is a quality newspaper published by World Institute for Asian Studies. The article was by Mohammed Yousuf, a notable analyst & Lawyer. He has written extensively on current affairs, with reference to South and Central Asia. The article is intelligently written, insightful & relevent. What is your objection to this? Veej 02:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

I have protected the article until this edit war can be resolved. - Roy Boy ⁸⁰⁰ 03:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'discussion' moved from user talk pages to here.

Jamaat-e-Islami now BLOCKED because of EDIT WAR

I have posted comment / questions at Talk:Jamaat-e-Islami#User:Siddiqui.27s_edits for you. Are you interested in a discussion? Veej 04:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Discussion ?

What do you want to discuss ? Should we discuss Jamaat Islami page ? Should we discuss your daily addition to anti-Muslim propaganda in Wikipedia ? Or should we discuss 2002 Gujarat violence ? Siddiqui 04:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you're refering to. I don't see what riots in gujarat have to do with me. I live in London. I am critical of some Islamic/Islamist institutions. I'm sorry if this offends you but I don't want to get involved in personal attacks. Please can we focus on the issues on the Jamaat talk page? Veej 05:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

It is not a personal attack. I asked basically to know your motives. Are you motivated by hate or love. Are you interested in peace and justice or just propaganda. That is the basis of my question. If you are motivated by hate of Muslims then we don't have anything to discuss since you have already made up your mind. If you are motivated by peace and justice then you should also add links about violence in Gujarat at all Wikipedia related pages. Do you understand my reasoning. Siddiqui 05:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I am neither motivated by hate nor love. However, I am interested intellectual criticism of individuals, organisations & concepts. I spend a lot of time searching the net looking for intellectual criticisms. We're drifting off the point. I'm not asking for personal information about you & I'm disappointed that you'd ask me. Please can we focus on the issues on the Jamaat talk page? Veej 05:15, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

If you are ... interested intellectual critism of individuals, organisations & concepts. then may be you can also take some time and have some "intellectual" criticism of "individuals, organisations & concepts" involved in 2002 Gujarat violence. I just want you to judge your own motives. Clearly you are only motivated by anti-Muslim propaganda. Siddiqui 05:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

This discussion is becoming frustrating. Why do you keep bringing the Gujarat riots into this? It has nothing to do with me. I was thousands of miles away when it occured. I don't know anyone involved in it. I hope you're not insinuating I had any involvement in this violence. Also, however you may want me to judge myself is irrelevent. Please can we focus on the issues on the Jamaat talk page? Veej 05:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

You said: I am interested intellectual critism of individuals, organisations & concepts. So my question is why Jamaat Islami fits this mold but not 2002 Gujarat violence ? Why are you so much interested in Jamaat Islami ? Your Page says that you like Gujarati food that is why I brought up the issue of 2002 Gujarat violence. But you are avoiding the issue. I am ready and willing to discuss all issue with you including Jamaat Islami. But may be you explain you real motives then we can proceed. Siddiqui 05:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

It seems you want me to jump through some hoops for you, before you're willing to discuss the issues on the Jamaat talk page. What exactly should I say for you? Veej 05:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Why are you interested in Jamaat Islami? Why are you not interested in discussing 2002 Gujarat violence? Siddiqui 05:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm interested in Jamaat merely because I stumbled across some interesting articles refering to it whilst researching another article. You may decide that I'm motivated by some evil agenda. That's your choice, but I'm not interested in your theories. I know nothing about the Gujarat riots. For the last time, please can we focus on the issues on the Jamaat talk page? Veej 05:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

You said I spend a lot of time searching the net looking for intellectual critisms. Why do you think that genocide in your Gujarat state does not interest you ? Is that not intellectual ? Why is Jamaat Islami seems very intellectual for your taste ? Your motives are clearly spreading anti-Mulim propaganda. May be you should read each line of 2002 Gujarat violence before you discuss Jamaat Islami with me. Siddiqui 05:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC) You said I know nothing about the Gujarat riots Why is that ? Is Jamaat Islami a sexy babe compared to ugly Gujarat genocide ? This subject is not intellectual for you ? Siddiqui 05:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

You’ve reached the end of my patience. I’ve answered your unwarranted personal questions about me, yet you’ve not answered a single one of my legitimate questions regarding your censorship of the Jamaat-e-Islami article. I won’t be subject to your bullying interrogation any further. If you decide you want to be part of focussed discussion regarding Jamaat, then you know how to contact me. Veej 06:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly, your motives are even clear to yourself. You have never contributed Jamaat Islami page before yesterday and now just want eager to add some propaganda. But you say that you are not interested in genocide in your own state ! You don't know anything about it or care to tell me your thoughts on this subject. Siddiqui 06:08, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

reflecting wider opinion/reports

This organisation as been criticized in mainstream western media such as the BBC. The current version of the article is misleading as it sings the praises of Jamaat without mentioning any of these criticisms. To say Jamaat-e-Islami, Hind does not engage in active politics, but keeps its activities to philanthropy is an appalling misrepresentation of the truth. A fully referenced, fair overall account of Jamaat from a NPOV is desperately needed. Veej 17:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If such things are true, then they should definitely be put on this page. Please provide an appropriate link, and we can contsruct a pag called "Criticism of Jamaat-e-Islami".

Also, why is this page protected? There are a couple of English errors in the history section. Bless sins 00:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's protected because there was an edit war here. Veej 01:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These were the links deleted from the page; Asian Tribune - Militancy in Pakistan globalsecurity.org - Jamaat-e-Islami Jamaat-e-Islami takes on Hizb Pak police registers case of sedition against Jamaat-e-Islami leader Pak Jamaat-e-Islami chief released by NWFP govt, but rearrested by Punjab govt Jamaat-e-Islami's Danish Friends Kashmir: Pakistan Explores a Political End-Game Al Qaeda-Pakistani ties deepen Ahmadya Muslim Community: Victims of Fundamentalist JAMAAT-E-ISLAMI, HIZBUL MUJAHIDEEN & AL QAEDA Dancing In The Mine Field Veej 03:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is the article that initially prompted my concern Veej 02:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]