User talk:Hyacinth

Welcome

Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump. Cheers! --maveric149

Thanks and tildes

I thought so - thanks for editing limit (music) appropriately. By the way - if instead of typing [[Hyacinth]] at the end of your posts you type three tildes, thus: ~~~ they'll be turned into a link to your user page (which is probably more useful than a link to an article about the flower!). All the best--Camembert

Meta vote requires userpage

Hi, regarding your vote on http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_logo_vote/Ratification#English_Wikipedia To be valid you need to have a active userpage on Meta which points to your userpage of your home-wikipedia ~~Giskart~~ Walter 23:01, 27 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Image link fixed

I fixed an imagine link on your user page - just thought I'd mention it in case you didn't notice and wanted to reformat it or anything. --Camembert

Thanks, I noticed, I just couldn't figure it out.Hyacinth 01:42, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yacht

Just greeting here, nice to meet you! :) According to your Chinese astrology, I could tell how old r u! :) --yacht (Talk) 05:03, Dec 19, 2003 (UTC)

Interesting? Hope so! :) No, I just enjoy talking, esp with gay people (I am not making a mistake, am I?), 'cause I don't know many of them! ( it seems that people here don't like to talk, just working, like a workaholic!) :) --yacht (Talk) 05:15, Dec 19, 2003 (UTC)

"Should be put on an island"? You mean we gay and str8 should be separated? lOl, hopefully there were a "Queer Kingdom"! (joking). I do speak Chinese. :) And I have to have a rest for a while, writing Homosexuality in China really exhausted me... :$ --yacht (Talk) 09:34, Dec 19, 2003 (UTC)

No, I mean the gay people should be killed :)Hyacinth 02:38, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Should be killed? Wow, that's extremist! :O --快艇 (Talk)☺ 06:08, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)

Michael Nava wrote in his novel Burning Earth, that the Inferno of Dante is not quite so horrible for the homosexuals, because there are lots of darkskinned, muscular men running about there. Darkskinned because of the hot air and muscular because they are trained throw the running, to which they are condemned. So the moral of the story: Killing doesn't matter really. It's just the way to the next cruising area. Though I personaly would prefer to be reborned, and as a gay again. -- Philopp 16:54, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Great story. Actually, I'm kidding. I used to joke in high school that based on the gay people I'd met, I agree, it would be a good idea to put them on an island and, I quote, "let them die [of AIDS]." It might surprise some people that I would be told things like that by fellow students, but maybe it has something to do with where I grew up, see: Montana, Conrad Burns, Judy Martz

I like Nava very much. His fictions are never simple detectiv fictions, there's always many social stuffs in them. My boyfriend said also often that they should put us on an island. I find it a very very bad idea. About whom should I laugh, when I am living only with gays on an island? But you get me a good idea: If they want to send human beings to Mars any way, they should chose gay astronauts and gay scientists. This is the best solution for many psychological, social and sexual problems during the long journey. -- Philopp 10:21, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for mentioning the Stravinski composing in serial style in atonality, I had meant to add it later.

User:Stirling Newberry

No problem. Hyacinth 21:23, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hyacinth article(s)

Hi Hyacinth. As you may have noticed, I split the Hyacinth article in two separate articles: Hyacinth (mythology) and hyacinth (flower). I hope I changed all the links to the appropriate articles. I didn't know which one you want your user page to link to though. You'll have to do that yourself. -- Kimiko 09:59, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Evan Ziporyn

Hello. I notice that the addition of Evan Ziporyn to the list of experimental musicians is labeled a "minor" edit. Does that mean he's a minor experimental musician? Michael Hardy 15:10, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Did you notice my additions to the Evan Ziporyn article?Hyacinth 17:33, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Move page

Hi - when you move a page (as you just moved bitonality to polytonality) could you use the "move this page" link if possible, rather than copying and pasting, please. That way, all the history of the page will get moved to the new location rather than being left behind. --Camembert

No problem, thanks for the pointer.Hyacinth 01:50, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Chinese

It doesn't matter. :D Are you learning Chinese? Do you know how to write them in Chinese characters(esp the Ts'ai-nü)? Romanized Chinese makes little sense to me anyway.... :( --快艇 (Talk)☺ 06:03, Jan 9, 2004 (UTC)

No, I don't even know which romanization they are.Hyacinth 06:15, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

List of African American composers

Hi. You moved List of African American composers to List of composers of African descent. African American is not at all the same thing as African, and American composers who are black would surely be a different list to composers who are African or of African descent. "Composer" doesn't imply "American". - David Gerard 11:56, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)

Gay cartoons

Hey, I am thinking about List of gay cartoons, any ideas? I would like to know some super gay heroes like that in spiderman or superman. ^_^ --Yacht (Talk)Q 02:58, Jan 27, 2004 (UTC)

I suggest List of gay comics.

Recipes

I noticed you've moved some recipes over to wikibooks, which I encourage, but you also made the pages at wikipedia into redirects to the wikibooks page, which is not so good. Interwiki redirects can be hard to find, as when you clikc the link in wikipedia you get sent to wikibooks, but the redirect page does not show up on the list of what links here at wikibooks. Thanks, Gentgeen 09:39, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Rumba clave

Hi again - I think I fixed Image:3-2 Rumba clave.PNG after a bit of messing about. I don't think you were doing anything wrong in trying to revert to that earlier version, the system just seems to have been behaving oddly for a time. Just one thing - I'm guessing you made that image yourself; if so, could you say as much on the image page, as people are starting to get a bit concerned about us having copyrighted images and so on. Should stave off problems in the future. Cheers--Camembert

Interwiki link

I see again that your linking to wikibooks, but you're doing it the hard way, by typing in the url. An interwiki link can be made by just typing [[Wikibooks:Module Name]]. Interwiki links are fine, just interwiki redirects are bad. Thanks, Gentgeen

Thanks

Thanks for your continued work in music related and other articles. Your intelligence and efforts are most valued, so keep up the good work that you do :) Dysprosia 09:19, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. Hyacinth

Pitch accent

Re your recent addition to the pitch accent page, could you clarify what it means to have pitch accent affected by voicing? I think you may be meaning something else. "Voicing" refers to the vibration of the vocal cords (/b/ and /n/ are voiced, /p/ and /s/ are unvoiced or voiceless). I don't know about Shanghainese, but AFAIK Japanese accent doesn't interact with voice... Pablo-flores 14:28, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

All I added was, "For pitch accent in music, see: accent." Sorry I can't help you.Hyacinth 08:20, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Cooperation

I appreciate your gentle, thoughtful and patient remarks. For example:

As the creator of the page in question (History of heterosexuality), I would approve a merge with Human sexual behaviour for both Same-sex sexual practices (SSSP) and Different-sex sexual practices (DSSP). Both would made great sections of a larger article. The DSSP article is no longer "little more than a crude rewrite" of SSSP, its now a crude rewrite with extra paragraphs tacked on.Hyacinth 05:28, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC) In light of the continued debates are this subject, I propose we (wikipedia) create a Naming convention.Hyacinth 06:45, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC) See: User:Hyacinth/Style guide

What do you think is the best place for the information in the "Is homosexuality a choice?" article? --Uncle Ed 12:38, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think that the best place to deal with the questions/topics homosexuality is a choice or no one chooses to be gay is as (a) section(s) of Causes of sexual orientation. This article already exists, putting both opinions/subjects together at a more general article decreases redudancy, and is a more neutral title. Plus, it is easier to NPOV things when the "other side(s)" are right there on the page. In fact, the causes of sexual orientation article, as stands, could use a discussion of the moral/political implications of causes.Hyacinth 15:59, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

delete talk page only?

What do u mean by posting Talk:History of heterosexuality in the VfD? do u mean to delete the talk page only, or the article History of heterosexuality? --Yacht 02:13, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)

Delete the talk page only, as the "article" History of heterosexuality is a redirect and thus does not need to be deleted.Hyacinth 17:37, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Hyacinth, I wanted to say hello. I found some of your excellent articles on music. Excellent work. I'll be adding some other composers and music-related topics. Be well! Antandrus 02:17, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks.Hyacinth 17:37, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Heterosexualism

Hiya, would you care to voice an opinion on the dispute on the talk:heterosexuality page (at the bottom re: heterosexualism)? I'd like to get this page unblocked and up and running again. Exploding Boy 03:20, Apr 17, 2004 (UTC)

New Musicology

Hey, you should actually write a whole article on New Musicology - currently it's just a redirect to musicology, making its addition somewhat less interesting than it could be.

Thanks for your input on the project, btw. Snowspinner 05:16, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yo

[1] If you have a problem with me, and expect to recieve any sort of satisfaction thru policy, you have to talk to me and stuff. The guidelines actually say 2 people have to have contacted me about the problem, and I fail to be persuaded to stop violating policy. Not only was there so little in the way of policy violations that nobody commented on the comments page (what did I do, anyways? Those quotes don't violate policy) but even if I had violated policy, you would need to have complained to me directly about it first. I'm actually not such a scary fellow, just take a look at my talk page archive, you'll see that I'm known both for my candor and wit, as well as my engaging manner and thoughtful attentions :) I will warn you tho, if you read too much between my lines, you might find some things I didn't even say ;) This is a habit of those who get upset alot, I have found. Cheers, Sam Spade 00:35, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Policy #1: Avoid bias Policy #3: Respect other contributors

The terms "gay" and "straight" are biased terms. Paraphiliac is a clinical term, which is quite different. Jargon refers to terms specialized to a given community, which are relatively useless for use when attempting to communicate with those outside of said community. These terms are also not NPOV, but rather attempt to suggest that homosexuality is a happy condition, whereas heterosexuality is rigid and conformist. Therefore these terms are clearly unacceptable to many.

taking personally, other contributors as horrors.

I have not referred directly to any contributors as horrors, nor did I intend to. Rather I was referring to genital mutilation. The article suggests that society at large encourages transexualism. I made it clear elsewhere on that page that no matter how bizarre your paraphilia, mutilating your genitals is not the answer. Yes, I do find the concept of "heteronormativity" personally offensive, and yes I do dispute the accuracy and neutrality of that article. There is no policy violation in being either offended, nor in critiquing a particularly dubious article, as I continue to do. I will agree that this particular sentence could have been clearer, and that it is best to avoid topics that are offensive to me personally, which I have been trying to do, BTW. The requests for comment etc? is ment to bring in other editors, and I have long since removed the page from my watch list, although this is due mainly to the low level of debate on the talk page, and the innapropriate usage of reversion by some editors (you personally are not included in these complaints).

spelling

This is irrelevant, and if you think it is indicative of any general flaw in my reasoning or premises, that would be an ad hominem.

In conclusion, no, I did not find your communication on my talk page to be overly sassy nor distressing, spelling correction not withstanding. Feel free to contact me with further questions or concerns. I have made sure to put this thru a spell checker, for your convenience. A good day to you.

Sam Spade 19:33, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sure, gay and straight are biased terms, as is paraphiliac and all other clinical terms. Clinical does not equal true or accurate. Clinical does not equal neutral. Neutrality is not being engaged in any dispute or fight between these terms and their proponents (us and others). Whatever bias I may have, you're blanket urge to rid wikipedia of certain terms is not even attempting to avoid bias. (By the way, I don't think that "straight" is meant to imply rigid, it actually is meant to imply "straight and narrow" as in correct moral non-sinful.)

Refering to sex reassignment surgery as genital mutilation is inaccurate, refering to transsexualism as a paraphilia is inaccurate, and refering to transsexualism as a bizarre paraphilia is disrespectful, with a clear implication that transsexual people are bizarre.

Many people have commented on your "horrors" comment, I would request that you refrain from making such comments in the future. I would ask that you not cut true and accurate content, but rather, if you have objections, edit it so as to neutralize it. I would ask that you not try to impose your terminology and definitions on wikipedia. Having asked, I may now consider examples of the last two actions as vandalism. Hyacinth 21:32, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you find the term/concept of heteronormativity offensive as it seems the only way to do so would be if one believed that no one ever disregarded gay people and same-sex sexuality and that no one ever thought that gay people and same-sex sexuality were wrong or unnatural. Notice one can't actually believe this is unnatural oneself, as one would then have to grant that heteronormativity is correct, and thus nonoffensive. Hyacinth 21:32, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I reject your conclusions. Your definition of vandalism is very far from the consensus, and I suggest you try listing me on Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress if you think I am mistaken. Your dismissal of clinical terms as POV suggests to me that an encyclopedia, or other sources of learning are not compatible w your unusual POV. I certainly will impose clinical and other precise terminology upon the wikipedia. This statement "I would ask that you not cut true and accurate content, but rather, if you have objections, edit it so as to neutralize it" is too strange for me to be able to respond to. Your understanding of the ramifications of the concept of heteronormativity fail to take into account the whole of what has been said on that page, and thus commit the Fallacy of composition. Overall you strike me as confused/mistaken, and I advise you to review Wikipedia:Policy Library. Sam Spade 22:27, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Montana Democratic party

I noticed that you work for the Montana Democratic party. I recently created lists of all the state Dem and Rep parties. Perhaps you like to write a little about the Mt Dem partySmith03 02:02, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)List of state Democratic Parties in the US

Variations on America

Hi, Hyacinth! I'm enjoying your work on List of pieces which use polytonality, so I thought I'd share a minor point of order. Ives's Variations on America as written in 1891 had no polytonal sections. The polytonal interludes seem to have been added about 1909-1910 (see stultifying detail). Make of this what you will, but it may be of importance in terms of the history of polytonal works. - Nunh-huh 22:49, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

LGBT-msg

Hello Hyacinth! I saw that you made some edits to thas msg. Are you aware of a project page for it? There should be one, I think, and if there is none yet, it should be set up. At the very least so that there is a place where its content can be discussed, although it would be a good thing to have a full-scale project. -- AlexR 22:43, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, glad to see you getting into the project game. :) I think the closest currently in existence is Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and Sexuality. Snowspinner 22:47, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Don't misunderstand me - I want there to be a project because the box is already there, and if it is there it ought to have a place where it can be discussed. In its current state, it is extremely random, and therefore even less useful than other article series boxes. I also doubt that LGBT belongs there; T does definitely not, and LGB is more a question of identity than one of sex, too, in my opinion. I also wonder whether Hyacinths user page is the proper place to discuss that; Hyacinth, if you don't like that, just say so. -- AlexR 06:37, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Created by me, for the record. I added the LGBT message to the list of short term projects(?). Hyacinth 23:02, 5 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your revision to R & H. It really helps when we correct each other like that. :-) --Uncle Ed 22:00, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hyacinth--Unless you are also 209.6.196.152, my "grr" wasn't directed at you. I think your post laid out a reasonable position (even if I disagree with it), but 209.6.196.152's had a tone of "why can't the world be just the way I want it," which is what elicited a grr from me. "Grr" is a pretty mild oath in any event. Thanks for touching base, and hope I didn't offend. Opus33 23:20, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

That one as adorable as Hyacinth should be gay-bashed at Wikipedia is truly deplorable. If Australia wasn't so far from Montana I'd do something serious about it. Also, why does Hyacinth have bits of the Darwin family tree at hsi user page? Adam 11:29, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Transcribers What is a transcriber in this context? I started the other skills-based listings and was thinking of starting one for Translators (ie polyliguists). What do you think? - Gaz 16:19, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude - I only corrected what I considered a mistake. As you can see I made an effort to not just revert your edit, but preserve the wikilink to groove that you inserted. I relied on you in checking it, but afterwards clicked it myself and discovered it linked to the wrong article. So I corrected that too. What does this have to do with Assume the best about people whenever possible?

Btw it doesn't show much respect for other people's work when you don't even read such a small entry before you edit it (no, you don't need "unlimited time" for that) and insert information which is already there. Saying "I don't have time, so spend yours to clean up my mistakes" also isn't very polite. But please, let's not get too upset about unimportant things. If my edit comments offended you, I apologize. Keep up the good work. Regards, High on a tree 01:59, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Since you're asking: I was referring to the entry Riddim (which is short enough to be read in its entirety before editing it) and the content you had inserted was (A riddim is ...) often known elsewhere as a groove, while the next paragraph contained In other musical contexts a riddim would be called a groove. So I concluded that you hadn't read the second paragraph. Btw I also reverted your Sometimes a melody is associated with the riddim. back to Often a melody is associated with the riddim. - the vast majority of riddims have melody lines too. (The patois term is a bit misleading nowadays.) Regards, High on a tree 02:33, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I'm posting this here instead of your Wikibooks talk page, since you seem to be here much more often...just to let you know, I started writing the music theory wikibook, tentatively titled Tonal Music Theory. I decided to move it to "Music" instead of "Music Theory" in order to match the namespace I wanted to use. You will probably find I have a different idea of how I want the book to go, so, if you wish, you might want to reconcile your ideas with mine before the foundation I have laid gets too "cemented". :) I'm learning much of the material while I write it, so my writing is kind of jumbled at the moment and may contain some inaccuracies. Feel free to fix it up however you like. :)

--Furrykef 10:47, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Damn. Here was I thinking User:Hyacinth was a female (owing to a character on a British comedy show) when really you are this hot guy. I really should look at user pages more... - Mark 02:21, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Parallel minor/major

Hi, As you probably know, wikipedia doesn't like names with slashes. Do you have any objections if I rename "Relative (parallel) minor/major" to "Relative (parallel) minor" resp., and redirect all accordingly? Mikkalai 04:47, 22 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of solo cello pieces

Just to let you know that I speedily deleted the above because a) I feel the name ought to be "List of" rather than "Lists of", and b) it had no content other than the category it's in. Surely to be in a category it needs some content? -- Graham :) | Talk 06:36, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Indonesian Spellings

Hi Hyacinth,

I'm wondering if you know of any discussions in Wikipedia about Indonesian spellings. I've noticed in several entries that the old Dutch influenced spelling is used. Indonesia reformed their spelling a few decades back, and I believe these spellings should be used in articles with the alternate spellings mentioned explicitly as the old spelling. For instance, in Kecak you mention that it is also spelled ketjak but later on you don't use the new spelling kecak. Before I go around correcting these, I want to make certain that I am not undoing a decision that was discussed previously, or if there was a decision, I want to know who to convince that it was decided the wrong way. --Samuel Wantman 10:08, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

BTW, thank you for being civil! I find Wikipedians a bit harsh at times. --Samuel Wantman 07:07, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

David Cope

That's pretty cool that you were working on the David Cope page. I took one of his classes here at UCSC a few years ago... Voyager640 07:41, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Susan McClary

Hi Hyacinth, I'd like to start doing a little writing on Susan McClary. This is rather delicate, since to tell you the truth I think her work is quite wrong, in both the scholarly and the ethical sense. I really hate conflicts with other Wikipedia editors, but in this case I think I'm willing to risk it, because NPOV demands that we present both positive and negative opinions of McClary--you know, of course, that she is a very controversial figure.

At any rate, what I propose to do first is to limit the conflict zone to the McClary article itself. What this would involve would be moving the section on McClary's views concerning Sonata form to the McClary article, replacing it with a summary. Then, any negative evaluation of McClary's opinions about sonata form could appear in the McClary article, together with the other critical stuff, leaving Sonata form unruffled. Does this seem ok to you as a start? Regards, Opus33 15:15, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Hyacinth, I will try to proceed as judiciously as I can. There's various stuff I ought to read first, your page included. Opus33 17:49, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Blackfoot music

Talk:Blackfoot music. Badanedwa 07:21, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)

Wikihate

It's a shame about that, it really is. I had a bit of a confusing run-in with someone when I attempted to put Grace Kelly in Category:Gay icons. While I wasn't called a faggot, I was mildly insulted and it's a shame that it has to happen here; you'd think people would be more open-minded, eh? Mike H 20:50, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)

Reverts

I reverted your user page, as someone cleared it and asked a question that should have been placed on the talk page. Mike H 17:38, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

It's happened twice. I suggest you take this Missy Elliott thing up with the user who keeps blanking your page. I reverted it the second time as well. Mike H 19:26, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)

Here's the question:

Quick Question:

Why did you put information about "Back In The Day" on the Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott page? Just wondering...

I'm breaking this from Wikihate because people believe the two might be related. Mike H 19:45, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)