User talk:Lir
Clutch pretends that "[the account] will be unblocked when the user behind this account is willing to work with the rest of the Wikipedia in a collegial spirit of mutual respect.", but that represents his own views only, as far as I can tell. FvdP
- Excuse me? Thats not pretending, thats what Jimbo said on the Wikipedia mailing lists, where everyone could see it. Go look in the archives, see for yourself. --Clutch
- Sincere apologies. I'm not reading the lists, and thought you were unilaterally changing things. Most worrying to me was the suppression of the 28 nov date. I put it back, perhaps you'll want to change it again, according to what was decided exactly. But since it is written "Jimbo decided", it would be better if Jimbo himself did the change, so that we don't have to look at the list archives to get clues about the authenticity of the statement. FvdP 16:38 Nov 21, 2002 (UTC)
Clutch wrote:
- Lir will find that reading and absorbing the following article helps her rejoin the Wikipedia community much more quickly and smoothly.
I copied Brion's statement from the ipblock database table to Lir's user page and restored her last edit. What you guys do from here is your business, but please be (a) honest and (b) considerate. --Ed Poor
Moved from my talk page:
"16:19 Nov 21, 2002 . . Ed Poor (removed "as she sees fit" claim)" -- Ed, why the hell do you find it necessary to change Lir's Talk page? As I understand Wikipedia conventions, users can put any text they want on their own Talk pages (exceptions might be obscenity, hatespeech, or gross misuse of Wikipedia bandwidth). Lir tends to be rather surrealistic - in articles this is very inappropriate; on her own Talk page, it's her right. Comments?
- Do banned users have rights?
- Do users, banned or not,
"Have the right to misquote others?". I'd say no, they don't. Please add this to the above short list of exceptions. But I didn't see any examples of this on Lir's Talk page. What I saw was a reasonably but not extremely foolish intro about "Lir can delete as she sees fit", which you removed. This intro IS factually true (anybody can alter any (unblocked) text on Wikipedia). It can be interpreted as as more-or-less polite statement of the facts, rather than an expression of intent. I still can't figure out why you removed it. If there's something here that I missed, I'm listening.
- Lir did misquote others, specifically removing negative parts of messages & leaving only the positive parts, even within a single sentence. Check the diffs more closely. :-) s/he'll have a promising future writing ads for movies. --KQ
- We're helping him clean up. Lir wasn't banned for outright vandalism, but for his trying to turn the Wikipedia into a smart-alecky surreal joke-book, and hindering the rest of us in the performance of our work on the Wikipedia. When he comes back, he needs to demonstrate real changes, or he'll be banned for longer and longer periods of time. I wish I knew what drugs he was taking; he acts stoned out of his mind. --Clutch
I'm not talking about the general issue of banning Lir - I don't have a problem with that. I'm talking about changing Lir's Talk page.
- Call it tough love. Lir would have to change it when he got back anyway. We're helping him get the hint: here's what it means to shape up. And if you don't shape up, we'll soon have you shipping out. --Clutch
"He's" a "she"
- Bear in mind that anyone can claim any identity they want online. For example, I'm really a 63-year old Russian cleaning lady called Olga. :) -- Oliver Pereira 13:13 Nov 22, 2002 (UTC)