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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Abrazame (talk | contribs) at 23:23, 2 April 2006. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

I think that this article be moved to "savage garden", since on most of their albums, their name is lowercase, except on Affirmation, where it is all caps. --Karrmann

Lowercase first letters on wikipedia article pages is an impossibility and media covers generally are not indicative of how a title is referred to in print. BabuBhatt 05:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greatly informative and loving entry! Some inconsistencies weren't immediately able to be clarified by me, and perhaps someone more familiar could take care of these entries needing correction or clarification: I only count six entries here for the Billboard Magazine 1999 year-end charts, please add seventh or change bullet heading claim of seven. Is BRMB a British award? Could spell out if esoteric, as with ASCAP, or reference in parens if familiar within the respective country, as with ARIA. If the 18th Annual ASCAP award is "Song of the Year (2001)," that final line should not be bulleted.

I've changed the heading previously called "REMIXES" to "EPS," but am not thrilled with that. Perhaps "INTERNATIONAL COLLECTIONS" or "LIMITED EDITION COLLECTIONS"? Any Savage Garden fan would know there were quite a few maxi CDs featuring several mixes each from their first album, and a couple single CDs featuring a remix or two from their second album. I was going to change the heading to "REMIX COLLECTIONS" or something along those lines, yet a previous contributor here chose to include The Future Of Earthly Delites, the only true album-length, all-remix collection, under the "ALBUMS" section. It seems to me that disc should be moved to join the "EPS" section, and perhaps that section be given a better name than I gave it, as moving the other EPs up to the album section confuses the claim that they've only had two albums. A section called "REMIXES" would ideally include the track titles that were remixed, and perhaps their position on Dance Maxi Singles or Club Play charts.

I question the appearance in two separate sections of the litany of countries and their respective sales awards. I find it the clearest read in the first inclusion, under "ACHIEVEMENTS," and would recommend its second appearance from the later "DISCOGRAPHY" section, be removed. I would suggest including the various gold and platinum awards for the singles be mentioned under "ACHIEVEMENTS" if that's where the albums' gold and platinum awards are mentioned.

Finally, I agree with BabuBhatt's assessment of the lowercase/uppercase issue. The all-lowercase usage seems more a logo as it appears only on the first album and its singles, while the second album and its singles feature the more common all-uppercase type. Additionally, all of the first album's song titles, on each and every album and single appearance during the period, is written in all-lowercase type, yet we aren't considering following that lead. (It should be all or nothing.) However, the song "Truly Madly Deeply" on several international versions of the original album, and its various single and EP appearances, is consistently written without punctuation, as is "Break Me Shake Me." I have deleted "TMD's" punctuation here to match "BMSM's" unpunctuated appearance, as I would argue that to punctualize these names is to disregard what seems clear to me to be intentional artistic license in the same manner that one does not correct the past decade's trend of purposely misspelled titles and names. 16 March 06 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.16.243 (talk)

Please add ~~~~ at the end of your comments. This automatically adds a signature, so we can keep track of who's saying what. Cnwb 22:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am curious about this captialization issue with regard to the band's name. Have either of the band members ever stated the all-lowercase name was their intention? If we're taking the printing style of the first album & singles as our only "official" indication of this, are we to also assume that this decision was reversed with the release of their second album, and their name was changed? Or was the all-caps usage on the second album and its singles the stylistic printing choice that went against the actual name and the wishes of the band? If the band changed their name from "savage garden" to "Savage Garden" or even to "SAVAGE GARDEN," would not the title of the article be what the band's name came to be and was most recently, much in the same way one doesn't call Farrah Fawcett "Farrah Fawcett-Majors" any longer, despite the fact that is the way she continues to be billed in the credits of her most famous, breakout role; and we don't refer to other bands by their early names? I guess what I'm getting at is, if it's the intention of the band that their name be spelled with all lower-case letters, one would think they'd have made a statement somewhere to this regard, which can be cited and the case closed. If that's the case, the name ought to be changed throughout this bio, not just the awkward way it is now, in the title heading, which - due to Wiki's own style choice - is obfuscated to be neither all-lowercase nor all-uppercase, and so has to be appended with a disclaimer. This is the sort of compromise that doesn't seem to work, and seems to be based on the hunch of fans rather than the intention of the artist. Abrazame 23:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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