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Category talk page

When starting a new talk page I was presented with this slightly erroneous message: "Wikipedia does not have an entry on Geography of King County, Washington yet. ..." Robin Patterson 20:16, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation of Categories

Actually not disambiguation, strictly speaking, but Categories whose names are too general in the world's namespace. The specific example is Category:The Republic which turns out to contain information about Star Wars characters and not a reference to either governmental systems or Plato.

My question is this: are we following the same system we do with the main articles, i.e. should this category be Category:The Republic (Star Wars) or should it be something else?

(Can I add that it would be desperately useful to have a bot that shifted all articles from one category to another - if we had this, we could switch categories by creating a new and deleting the old - the history of a category probably isn't importantenough to retain). DJ Clayworth 16:56, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think the system of government would probably appear as Category:Republics while Plato's Republic would be a single article somewhere more appropriate. I don't see a need for redirection in this case. Mike 06:24, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Conceptual categories

The present Category system seems tied to words, not to concepts. Category:The Republic carries all the meanings of that term and subcategories are required for disambiguation. This does not support multiple languages well — "The Republic" of Plato and Star Wars may have different names in other languages, so that disambiguation category does not exist in other languages. There may be a language where the literal retranslation (back to english) of those two Republics might be "Republic Thought" and "Republican Galaxy". Each category should be a concept. I suggest Category Namespaces, so the names of subcategories can be the same as other subcategories. So Category:Art:Movies:Star Wars:The Republic is different from Category:Philosophy:Philosophers:Plato:The Republic. Any similarities between the two Republics should be by concepts, not by names. (SEWilco 21:22, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC))

Confused categorisation of "Kelvin"

Kelvin is tagged as belonging to the category SI base units but SI base units does not list Kelvin. Any ideas on what's going on here? -- Grunt 03:16, 2004 Jun 13 (UTC)

Categories have problems with slow updating. I don't know why. -- Cyrius|✎ 04:42, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I can see that, but the other articles I tagged with SI base units (Mole (unit), Metre, Candela, Second, and Ampere were all added immediately to the category... -- Grunt 15:06, 2004 Jun 13 (UTC)

I went to Kelvin and did an "Edit" and "Save". Since I didn't modify anything, nothing shows up in History. But lo and behold, Kelvin now appears in Category:SI base units. -- Curps 15:52, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

A related issue is some items bizarrely sorted under "C". For instance Atom was listed under "C" in Category:Chemistry. Doing the no-modification Edit+Save trick on Atom fixed this too. An actual modification will also fix it. -- Curps 16:02, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

dee dus vons and vans

I vote for du Preez to be listed as [[...|Preez, Frik du Preez]] as the du meaning of is essentially meaningless. Dunc_Harris|☺ 21:24, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

See Talk:Lists_of_people#.27Von.27_as_part_of_German_names. While the above may work for certain German surnames, it does not for other similar looking surnames - Afrikaans language surnames like Du Preez are listed under D. -- Jeandré du Toit, 2004-06-29t18:35z

naming convention for Cities by Country

I was about to add Fallujah either to Iraqi Cities or Cities in Iraq, neither of which exist. I ended up finding Category:Cities_by_country and, as can be seen, there are the seeds here of an unhappy inconsistency. How can this be resolved? --bodnotbod 20:26, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

Ooops.. see Wikipedia talk:Categorization#Categorization_Naming_Conventions below -- Chuq 23:01, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Category:2004

There's quite a lot of "X by year" articles and categories, so starting a series of "Category:[Year]" articles seems logical. Category:2004 would be a subcategory of Category:Years, but where would Category:Years go? -Sean Curtin 04:32, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

A hierarchy of time could be constructed... thusly.
2004----------Years------\
 |                        \
 V                         \
2000s---------Decades--------->Master Timeline
 |                         /    (or whatever)
 V                        /
21st century--Centuries--/
'Course, you still have the problem that 2000 is in the 2000s, but not in the 21st century. Might end up parenting 2000s to Master Timeline, and 2000 directly to 20th century, then 2001--2009 to 21st century... or something? I don't think there's an obvious clean way of doing it... grendel|khan 04:51, 2004 Jun 30 (UTC)
That system would put several thousand articles into Category:Years. Better to go Year -> Decade -> Century -> main timeline page, for readability's sake. -Sean Curtin 05:34, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
So the agreed solution looks to as:
- Time Line
-- Century (20'th Century)
--- Decade (1900-1909)
---- Year (1907)
But we have still to define the rules as what article would belong to these "Time Categories" and to which one of them, otherwise almost every article may belong to one or more of these categories (and we'll lose the benefits of Categorization). ^^ Dod1 05:05, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Agreed -- things shouldn't be put in year categories for insignificant dates. Perhaps restrict subcategories to Births in Year XXXX and Deaths in Year XXXX).
Also, it's not the right place for "Years", but note and compare Category:Calendars... Catherine | talk 20:51, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Events occuring in a year should probably be included in that year's category as well: it'll look quite odd to not see September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in Category:2001. Note that I'm only suggesting that for articles about events, not articles that refer to events; people can use "what links here" on the individual year pages for that. I definitely support the "births in XXXX"/"deaths in XXXX" categories, though the naming convention established with Category:Books by year and Category:Films by year suggests that they'd instead be titled, for example, Category:2004 births and Category:2004 deaths.
A related question: would it be worth it to create categories for specific dates? I doubt it: Events, holidays, births and deaths are already listed on the individual dates' pages. Still, it may be worth considering. -Sean Curtin 04:18, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Not all holidays are on the same date each year. And some holidays require an event, such as someone seeing the Moon, so can not be predicted exactly. (SEWilco 06:17, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC))
I don't think date categories more specific than years would be helpful or well-maintained. "2004 births", "2004 deaths", "2004 events", then? A note could be placed in the description section of each year's category page asking folks not to create more subcategories without discussing it on the Category:Master timeline (or whatever) discussion page first..... Catherine | talk 06:29, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Am I right in thinking that the parent category for the year pages would need to be placed on Category:Fundamental? -Sean Curtin 05:48, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I'd agree with that too. Catherine | talk 06:29, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The parent category of "year pages" should be something related to Time, not simply "year pages". Specialty timelines are likely to belong nearby. (SEWilco 06:17, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC))
Possibly Category:History. -Sean Curtin 01:14, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Rhetorical question: Which calendar? (SEWilco 06:17, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC))
We need a year category! If no consensus on a name for the category is picked soon, I'll just be bold and make one up. I don't think Category:History is where it should go, but that certainly would be a good parent for the category. I would suggest Category:by year or Category:items by year or even Category:History by year. Category:lists of years is kinda ugly though. --ssd 13:30, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Category:Years seems fine by me; the name makes the contents obvious, and there's no chance of confusion with any other category like there might be with Category:Timeline. -Sean Curtin 21:35, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Anyone wanna second this motion? Years is fine with me as long as the individual years mostly go in subcategories so we don't have all 8000 of them in one spot. :) --ssd 01:11, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Someone has created Category:Events by year, so I moved all those into it that were not already there. --ssd 05:15, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Also: Category:2000, Category:1900 and the like present interesting challenges for parenting. Category:2000 goes under Category:2000s (for the decade) and also under Category:20th century; the rest of the years in Category:2000s go into Category:21st century. Where will Category:2000s be parented? -Sean Curtin 21:45, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Well, as I see it, you've got 3 choices: 1) put them in the correct spot 2) put them where people will look for them 3) both. --ssd 01:11, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[Category:As of 2004] ?

On a related note, it may be worthwhile to do Category:As of 2004 (as a subset of the Category:Wikipedia maintenance pages), to replace As of 2004 and related pages....this is an easy way to find articles that may become dated over time. What do you think? Catherine | talk 20:51, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Query - finding pre-existing categories

(moved from project page)

Is there any way of finding out what categories already exist without trawling through the category list a few hundred at a time? i.e. it would be nice to be able to have a list of categories subdivided alphabetically or a way of searching the list. Is this available already and I've just missed it? If not, is there any likelihood of it happening in the future? Harry R 09:33, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree, it would be very helpful if there were a better category search or browse mechanism. I can see it's going to take time to implement something that can keep up with the fluid nature of categorization, though.
The best defense is probably to get to know your favorite categories as well as you can; browse through the various trees and branches from time to time, help reorganize or prune as necessary, and just generally get to know the names and preferred formats of the categories you use most. I know this isn't helpful when you're trying to find a category in an area you're not familiar with, though.
In the meantime, one useful method I've found is to go ahead and edit the article or subcategory you'd like to classify. Type in your best guess at the name of the proper category/ies, AND the name of a larger category that you're sure exists, which could be a (grand)parent (i.e. Category:Medicine or Category:Music, or Category:Musical groups by genre, as specific as you can get). Then use the SHOW PREVIEW, not the Save page button. Look for the previewed categories at the very bottom of the page (it may be below the Preview edit box, depending on your Preferences settings). If your best guess is blue, you've hit upon an existing category tree; if red, it doesn't exist or is spelled or worded differently. Remember to use plurals, and to use lower case for all words that not proper nouns.
If you can't find your best guess, Shift-Click on the blue link to the larger category (or right-click and select "Open in new window/tab" or equivalent). This will open the larger category in a new window so you can browse down through the branches to the proper place where you will either find a useful existing category, or discover that an important one is missing, and most importantly, you'll see what the naming convention is for the category.
Even if your best guess is blue, it's usually a good idea to shift-click on the Previewed link to browse other category members anyway -- you might find your article doesn't really fit, or that there is a more specific subcategory already available (i.e, Category:Cross-country skiing within Category:Winter sports, to name one where I had to clean up after myself recently).
Now you can go back to your other window or tab, which should still be open to the Preview page. Put the proper category name into the Edit box, and delete the larger category you used as a tool in Preview. If the necessary category doesn't exist, add the category name according to convention anyway, and Save. Click on the new category link to check that the assigned category has a parent and a description. Please assign newly created categories to their proper place in the tree right away -- finding and fixing Orphaned categories is a pain! Please add a description too if you find one missing or stubbish.
Good luck! Catherine | talk 06:14, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
From the phrasing, I think they are looking at the alphabetical list of all categories. Probably because that is the destination of the word "Category" which is in front of all category entries. It would be better if that anchor pointed at a page which tends to be of wider use. Perhaps Category:Main page, but that omits other views such as Category:Fundamental. (SEWilco 18:26, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC))
Or Category:Categories (User:SEWilco)
Yes, you're right, was looking at the alphabetical list. And you're also right, starting from Category:Main page/fundamental I wouldh have found what I was looking for much quicker. Thanks for the tip. I still think a way of searching the list would be useful, but I appreciate everyone's help. Cheers Harry R 19:45, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Category:Knowledge representation

A lot of the issues with the new Wiki Categories have been encountered before. I found related pages were poorly interconnected... so I created Category:Knowledge representation. Take a look there for some concepts which you might not be aware of. (SEWilco 07:37, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC))

Should templates be used to add articles to categories?

(There are also active discussions of this on Category talk:Stub and Template talk:Stub.)

There are a number of templates that are inserted into articles that need some kind of special attension. Specifically:

I have proposed adding these templates to appropriate categories, which will slowly cause the articles they are inserted into to join the categories, as the articles are edited. As with everything wiki, there is disagreement.

Pros:

  • This will cause an alphabetical list (category) to be automatically generated which does not need direct maintenance of all the articles with the template.
  • The category format is better than the format in What links here and lists all articles, rather than just the first several.
  • Pages renamed would be updated in the category list. Redirects don't always stay pointing to the correct article.
  • If the template is removed from the article, the page is instantly removed from the category, and won't linger until someone discovers it.
  • There are a lot of lingering stubs in wikipedia. Perhaps if there was a somewhat unified list in an easily browsable form, people would pick more of them off and expand more articles.

Cons:

  • This duplicates the functionality of What links here which could be enhanced.
  • "It is not the point of categories and is just plain silly." --Maximus Rex
  • It is bad to mix things which are in the encyclopedia with maintaince material
  • The categories could get huge and the category system might not be ready for that.
  • Adds the stub message twice, first the template text, then a tall line with Cat:Stub.

Apparently there are technical performance issues with modifying the template that is included in so many articles, so this should be decided once, and not unilaterally decided by one or two people. I would appreciate it if anyone could add to the arguments above (pro or con!). Perhaps we could have a vote or something later. --ssd 04:41, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think the Cons are very strong, and not matched with the pros. My preferred solution is "This duplicates the functionality of What links here which could be enhanced". ✏ Sverdrup 12:47, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I'm not really much in favor of using temporary categories like Category:cleanup or category:stub on articles. See category talk:stub for alternatives for stubs. In regards to Category:disambig see my comment further up on (here on Village pump). -- User:Docu
However, does it work? Does including a cat: on a template cause all pages to which it is added to belong to the category also? This is of course useful for maintaining other pages with categories.
It may be a good thing, to present a back-link to other pages needing cleanup prominently on the page, but it may be redundant to go about this through means of a category, however.
I don't know... Dysprosia
Yes, it works, but I think a page has to be purged/touched before the cat shows up. ✏ Sverdrup 13:28, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

User:Docu has suggested several alternatives to categories, but none of them work. I will list them on category talk:stub. --ssd 04:36, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC) them

Alternatives to using Category:stub that is. Did you try? I'm much in favor of adding Category:Disambiguation to Template:Disambig. -- User:Docu
I agree, but Disambig is scary. The best alternative to it is a huge list in a page that takes forever to load even on my high speed connection. Do people actually edit that list or is it automatically maintained already?? If the category is added to the disambig page, I think it might eventually force implementation of the one-letter-per-page breakup of category pages that are huge... --ssd 04:21, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
It has to be manually maintained. I did a bit of work on that a few months back, and it's a bit of a pain; I'd love to see some method of automating it developed, either by categories or by fixing "what links here" to show all the pages that link there (currently it cuts off after a few thousand or so). Bryan 18:17, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I just discovered the vfd link above. (and others) Great idea, I really like browsing the deletable articles this way. --ssd 15:06, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I note that 6 out of 7 of these templates include categories now. I'm sure that more of them out there do not (but I have not found them). This in itself is sort of a consensus. The question remaining is if it should be added to the remining templates. --ssd 02:37, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This experiment is progressing with the largest of these, Category:Stub. Concerns have been raised that the size of the category may impair server performance, although I have not noticed this--does a large category slow down wikipedia significantly more than an equivalently large article would? Can a developer comment on this? Probably we should wait and see how it works out with this category before adding it to the much larger disambiguation template. --ssd 17:57, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I like the idea of templates linking to Categories for maintenence. Kevin Rector 15:47, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

When category browsing supports combinations of categories, having these categories might make it easier for people to fill in details. Someone with veterinarian knowledge could look in appropriate categories to find stub articles. (SEWilco 15:06, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC))

Categorization Naming Conventions

I was wondering what people thought of the current categorization scheme. Most of the categories seem to be created (Somewhere) (Something). I think it looks better and is more formal to use (Something) of/in (Somewhere). Ie. Canadian Banks vs Banks of Canada. Burgundavia 11:40, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, I saw you inserting Category:Banks of the People's Republic of China and similarly titled articles. I would prefer it be Category:Banks of mainland China as that would be more politically neutral. It's clearer to keep Hong Kong and Macau separate and won't cause NPOV issues on whether to include Taiwan. --Jiang 11:44, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Jiang, while I see your point about trying to keep it NPOV as far as Taiwan is concerned, I don't feel like this change is needed. When someone comes along (like that'll ever happen) looking for info on Banks in Taiwan, they're going to look in Category:Banks of Taiwan or something of the like, not Category:Banks of the People's Republic of China. I understand your concern, but I really don't think we should but Taiwanese banks under Category:Banks of the People's Republic of China. blankfaze | •• 12:55, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
As for the thing about China, that is a landmine I am not going to step on. Do you have examples for your idea? As for Hong Kong and Macau, they ARE part of the People's Republic. Just as Puerto Rico and the Bermuda are part of the US and the UK respectively, a dependent, not an independent country. Any, the issue at hand is that of naming conventions regarding about order, not countries and NPOV. Burgundavia 12:37, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

I'm well aware that HK and Macau are part of the PRC. However, Hong Kong and Macau are governed under a distinctly different economic systems than the mainland. When it comes to banks and companies, it really helps the reader to keep these regions separate. They're considered separate countries for economic purposes (APEC, WTO, etc). Economic topics for separate economies deserve separate categories.

We use the combinations Mainland China/Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau for neutrality when politics is not the subject so the territorial claims are left ambiguous. see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). While there is little room for confusion (other than using political labels that are rarely used in economics), it's not NPOV to assert that there are two countries each consisting of their current jurisdictions. I know this is really the case, but saying so is making a politcal statement. I don't see what's wrong with using non-political titles. --Jiang 13:04, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

From naming conventions (chinese) In particular, the word "China" should not be used to be synonymously with areas under the current administration of the People's Republic of China or with Mainland China. Similarly, the word "Taiwan" should not be used if the term "Republic of China" is more accurate. What in my naming scheme conflicts with this? There is a note in the Category:Airports of the Republic of China and Category:Airports of the People's Republic of China about the other. Burgundavia 13:12, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)
I can add a note to the bank articles on a similar line, as I think that would help. Burgundavia 13:17, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)

Neither you nor I am proposing a Category:Banks of China to cover only the PRC. We didn't even propose Category:Banks of China at all. In this case, "Republic of China" is not more accurate. It's only more accurate in a political context ("President of the Republic of China" vs. "President of Taiwan"). We're now implying that the ROC and PRC are separate countries limited to their current jurisdictions. Instead, I cite The term "Mainland China" is a term which can used when a comparison is to be made with Taiwan for non-political purposes. Hong Kong and Macau are generally not considered part of Mainland China, but are under the jurisdiction of the PRC. Thus, it is appropriate to write "many tourists from Hong Kong and Taiwan are visiting Mainland China." A non-political subject deserves a non-political description. Yes, a description within the category helps, but still... And why not separate the economies when people would like to see them separate? --Jiang 14:24, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It's too bad we can't define [[:Category:Banks:Location]] or [[:Category:Banks {location:countries}]] so someone could define the generic category because banks tend to behave differently in various countries, and then Wiki could combine categories. There are two interpretations: automatically include all articles which have both Category:Banks and a country category, or this merely enables support for articles which include Category:Banks:Mexico(country). A side issue is renaming - the name of a country might change, and if Category:Mexico(country) is used for all references to that country then it would be possible to have a tool for renaming...or just use language support to hide the database name and easily change what we see as the country category name. (SEWilco 15:16, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC))

Categories and lists

It's most unclear to me, how lists and categories covering the same area should be handled. I stumbled about this problem at List of writing systems. In addition to this list, the Category:Writing systems and sub-categories like Category:Abugida writing systems exist, and an additional list embedded at Abugida. It's all a mess and all lists/categories slightly differ.

It seems not wise to remove List of writing systems, as long as Category:Writing systems won't display subcategories inline. Is there a possibility or plan, to pull in subcategories inline below some threshold of number of entries?

Also note Category:Abugida writing systems and Abugida - should these be merged?

Pjacobi 11:49, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The categories Category:Abugida writing systems and Category:Writing systems would probably want to be consistent with each other.
If you plan to remove the annotations on Abugida#List_of_abugidas anyways, Category:Abugida writing systems is probably equivalent, except that you can't use the category as on Special:Recentchangeslinked/Abugida.
If List of writing systems is fairly complete and a finite group, you probably want to keep the structured list rather than Category:Writing systems. We might want to build a tool to enable synchronization of the two. -- User:Docu

Important discussion at Categories for Deletion

At Template:CFD:FHM110sexiest, there has been an ongoing discussion over whether around 300 articles on everyone from Marge Simpson to Paula Zahn to Diana, Princess of Wales should all be categorized according to their being listed in FHM magazine's annual poll of the 100 sexiest women. So far, only several people have taken part in this, which I think is too few to resolve the fate of how so many articles will be classified, and to decide an issue that cuts to the heart of what purpose categories serve on wikipedia and the power they have in branding an article as to what it is. I'd love to see a lot more people joining in over there so we can better weigh whether such a category has a place on here. Postdlf 14:08, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Categorising Wikipedians

I wondered whether we could have categories for wikipedians? To prevent abuse all categories should be self assigned and categorisation of others an offence. One benefit would be that Wikipedians could then form groups of interests. For example, I'm interested in comedy and if a category Wikipedian comedy fans (for eg) were created I could then contact them in some way on issues of interest.

Has anyone else floated this idea? Any thoughts? --bodnotbod 02:03, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

I don't particularly care for the idea, but if it is done, it should be in the wikipedia: name space, not in the main namespace. Your choice of title is also a bit long and redundant. --ssd 06:10, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I guess I was thinking it would be Wikipedians:Comedy fans - which would take it out of the main namespace (I completely agree it can't be part of the main namespace)... and that leads me to think that perhaps any registered user would come under category:wikipedians automatically. --bodnotbod 14:12, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
I don't have an opinion on if we should do it, but I know it can be done, as I categorized my Wikibooks user page. (categories are not very popular over there we've only got 6, and I started them all) Gentgeen 09:01, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
That link doesn't seem to work for me Gentgeen. And it raises the question for me whether people feel that you should have done what you've done...? Or is it, horror of horrors, frowned upon. --bodnotbod 14:12, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, sometime in the last day or two the syntax to make links to wikibooks changed. This one should work. b:en:User:Gentgeen
Um. Nope! --bodnotbod 22:37, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)

"(items) of (area)" categories

Regarding Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 3#Category naming conventions - it doesn't appear that anything was decided one way or the other. I've just started some categorising Tasmanian rivers - I created Tasmanian geography, made it a sub-category of the existing Australian rivers, which I then added to Australian geography. Unfortunately, I then found Geography of Australia already existed.

I think it should be decided one way or another. Should it be done differently with people?

I think Australian sportspeople, Australian musicians, sounds better than Sportspeople of Australia, Musicians of Australia. But I think Islands of Australia, Bridges of Australia, sounds better than Australian islands, Australian bridges.

Informal vote? Chuq 02:34, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Problem is that they are not always the same, because someone could be "of Australia" but not be an Australian, no? And what about those for which the nationality and ethnicity are mixed up? Chinese sportspeople and Sportspeople of China are very very different. So I would vote for the X of Y option to be the clearest. Fuzheado | Talk 04:36, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • Maybe with countries it is different than with other political divisions. We don't use "Vermontian geography" or "Californian rivers". To be consistent it would have to be "Australia rivers" or "Australia bridges". That is why I would vote for your 2nd option: "(items) of (area)".

    Maybe this is one of the few places that subpages would actually work for indicating subsets: "Rivers/Australia" or "Sportspeople/Australia". Mike 04:48, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)


  • People
    • Australian sportspeople
      1. Chuq 02:33, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      2. bodnotbod 23:01, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
      3. Postdlf 23:03, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Sportspeople of Australia
      1. Mike 04:31, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
      2. Fuzheado | Talk 04:36, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Other
  • Places
    • Australian rivers
      1. Postdlf 23:03, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Rivers of Australia
      1. Chuq 02:33, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      2. Mike 04:31, Jul 21, 2004 (UTC)
      3. Fuzheado | Talk 04:36, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Other


Wanting to Start a Category

I would like to start a Category. First there are no directions anywhere on how one starts a category. I put a new Category and it shows up in red. I can't firgure out how to make it blue. Second I found directions at mediwiki but there is nothing about starting a new name category. Third, For the Classics for topics like that of Ancient Rome and Ancient Greece. I know they have a category already but "Classics" needs their own category and ancient Greece and Ancient Rome need to be sub-categories for this one. And what should it be named "Classics", "Classical", "Classical Dept." (my choice), "Western Classics", ...??? If I am a classical scholar and want to go to all subjects dealing with the Classics what should be the category name?WHEELER 22:47, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Put in the [[category:types of shoe]] kind of thing which will give you the red thing at the top. All the articles in the category should be listed there. Then enter some text and a categorisation for that e.g. [[category:human]], which will appear at the top right, and since you've created the new category, it should then appear blue. Don't be shy to have a fiddle round; you can always nominate them for speedy deletion if you cock it up. Dunc_Harris|☺ 00:08, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It still appears red. I added [Category:Human] to vice and I have added Category:Vice to the Human category and it still appears red. So I am still not doing something right. I also added a sentence in it and it still appears red.WHEELER 18:48, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You've got it the wrong way around: Don't add Category:Vice to Category:Human, you do the other way around, you add Category:Human to Category:Vice (so that Category:Vice is a subcategory of Category:Human). Adding Category:Vice to Category:Human would make Category:Human a subcategory of Category:Vice, which would still not have a parent or any text, and would therefore still be red. --Lexor|Talk 00:58, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

When to create a category

I've got a draft of a proposed policy at Wikipedia:When to create a category. It covers some other things too, but I wanted some comments on it. Thoughts? Snowspinner 00:31, Jul 24, 2004 (UTC)

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