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Andrew D. Hsu

Vanity page StoatBringer 22:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page meets the criteria for notability (famous author with over 5000 books in print and readers). - Solaroid

I don't see any reason for it being a vanity page. It meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria and is unbiased. - Solaroid 23:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you tell me what part of the article needs to be cleaned up? I'd like to get the deletion consideration notice removed. Solaroid 23:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, I don't think merely being a young prodigy is sufficient grounds for notability. I think this is more "potentially notable", and Wikipedia will be here if or when that happens. As far as being an author his book was only written in Chinese (thus inaccessible to most readers of this encyclopedia) and allegedly sold 50,000 copies which is a lot but not enough in my opinion to make him notable as most best-sellers tend to get up into the millions. — GT 01:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep One of Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion is to be a published author with over 5000 readers or copies in print. 50000 copies in taiwan is a lot - remember that the taiwan market is much smaller than that forr the US. Its not the language of the book, but the influence that counts. with so many people inspired and influenced by this person, it would be unwise not to include him - it would be a disservice to the community if the entry is not included. Many millions of chinese people also read wikipedia! Andrew Hsu is a great inspiration for thousands of children, and is probably the most significant Hsu on wikipedia. If he's not included, why should those others be? his wco organization has already helped thousands of children in poor countries. He is definitely notable and not just "potentially notable." Royal993 02:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is the user's first edit and he may be a sockpuppet of Solaroid. In any event I see no citation for the sales figures so dig them up or base your argument on something else. — GT 02:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I came from korea one year ago, and when I was in korea, I saw a news report on Andrew hsu on national MBC tv. I know that he has helped a lot of young people Jasonkim
    • This too is the user's first edit. Newly-created accounts (especially those created after this article was nominated for deletion) are generally ignored in this process so if this is the same user making all of them, please don't bother. — GT 04:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I agree with GT, this is someone who at some point may potentially be notable, but at this point he isn't. The vanity and sockpuppetry doesn't help. IrishGuy 06:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • First of all, I did not do any sockpuppetting. You have your right to your own opinion or guess, but you shouldn't accuse me randomly. Irishguy, you have said the person is not notable right now, and what grounds do you have for that? GT has said "merely being a young prodigy is not grounds for notability", and I agree. But I am not proposing notability on these grounds. He is a published author with much more than Wikipedia's criterion, which is easily verified through the publisher. He clearly meets Wikipedia's guidelines of "large fan base, name recognition, published a book with an audience of over 5000, autobiography". The guidelines does not say what language the book should be published in. You are entitled to your opinion, but the guidelines are very clear and straightforward.Solaroid 16:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please point out where I accused you of sockpuppetry. I simply noted that there have been a couple of newly created accounts showing up here to vote. That usually denotes sockpuppetry...although I never said that you specifically were responsible for it. As for the rest, I am familiar with the guidelines. What I am less clear on is any verifiable references for what you claim. IrishGuy 16:13, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please get some documentation for your sales figures? We can't take your word for it. — GT 08:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


  • To me, “Newly-created accounts” means kids or children or early teens. What you said means, kids’ opinions are generally ignored in the process. That is very true in this world. Your comment are so familiar, but that doesn’t make it right. That is what the world children’s organization is doing, to assert the rights of poor children in the world. Andrew Hsu inspired us. This is your place, you can decide to keep or delete, but don’t say my opinion should be ignored. Bye. Jasonkim
What newly created accounts is refering to is just that...an account with no prior editing history. It could be a sockpuppet. It has absolutely nothing to do with age. IrishGuy 01:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Keep?. I personally don't see any reason why this is a vanity page. For notability, the article is informative and well-researched, with media reports like CBS, KOMO4, Time for Kids, etc. If you google the english name of Fervent Global Love of Lives, you get 296,000 hits, but if you search for the Chinese name (copy and pasted off a site in Google), I got 7 million results, so this is a notable award. He also seems to fulfill WP:BIO, with multiple features in national newspapers, as his article claims. But is it reasonable to ask for proof of sales figures? Exactly how would the user who created this page go about doing so? Also, I don't see people asking other authors for this. Kr0nnik 21:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Kr0nnik's account was created today. His edits so far consist of editing the pages of people named Hsu, nominating pages for AfD, voting on some existing AfD's, and a singular edit to his user page, probably so the link to his username wouldn't be red when he finally came here. Despite this user's intentions I've never seen such a clear (yet creative) sockpuppet.
    Anyway, to address your points, like I said we simply cannot just take your word for it that he has sold that many books and that his WCO organization has been as successful as claimed (and everything else for that matter). Wikipedia policy prohibits original research and requires verifiability with reliable sources. And while Andrew's story and accomplishments might make a very good topic for feature pieces in news sources, I still am not seeing any evidence from you that he is notable enough to be written about here. — GT 00:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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