User talk:Timwi/Archive/Aug 04 - Sep 04

User talk:Timwi/Archive

"Osaka prefecture" v. "Osaka Prefecture"

I noticed that you're decapitalizing "prefecture" in all the article titles related to prefectures of Japan. As far as I know, the word "prefecture" should be capitalized in both American and British English since it is part of a proper name. We have discussed this in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles, and I encourage you to explain your reasoning there for the benefit of the rest of us. -- Sekicho 18:15, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

Before I started, half of them were capitalised and half weren't, but all the article texts themselves consistently used the word "prefecture" in lower-case. Hence the easiest way for me to achieve consistency was to move those that were capitalised to be non-capitalised. — Additionally, I really don't think they should be capitalised. The reason why we put "prefecture" there is to distinguish it from a city of the same name. This is done with other sub-country entities too: districts, oblasts, etc. Diverging from geography a bit, I also see it like for example German language or Pascal programming language — certainly you wouldn't consider that part of the name and capitalise it too. — To be fair, I should point out that the issue was brought up here on my Talk page before, and has been moved to Talk:Prefectures of Japan; notice how nobody replied to the request for a link to the supposedly previously-reached agreement. — Timwi 18:31, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Capitalizing the full name is a convention for every geographic article in Wikipedia. Note that you don't see titles like Dominican republic, New York city, Cook county, Illinois, Hong Kong special autonomous region, Narita international airport, Amazon river, Ural mountains, Irish sea, or Subic bay. Capitalizing the word "prefecture" is a rule of English grammar, not just a Wikipedia convention. (The word was left uncapitalized in those articles because the articles were created by a non-native speaker of English.) - Sekicho 20:30, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

OK, well, as I said, all I really wanted is consistency within that set of articles. If you want them capitalised, please do feel free to change it back, but do it everywhere, including the article text. — Timwi 21:23, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Prefectural messup

Under the guise of making the article names match the Template:Japan, I have moved the following articles out of their new positions... (before I was kindly informed I was in error)

Saitama Prefecture, Chiba Prefecture, Aomori Prefecture, Akita Prefecture, Okayama Prefecture, Hyogo Prefecture, Mie Prefecture, Kyoto Prefecture, Nara Prefecture, Aichi Prefecture, Wakayama Prefecture

I apologize for any inconvenience. -- EmperorBMA|話す 21:15, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nevermind, the articles timed out so I am reverting. -- EmperorBMA|話す 23:06, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Lojban language file

Could you check the file which I posted to wikipedia-l on 7-30? It's not complete, but it should have the stuff that appears most often translated, and the internal links should be consistent. Also, initial capitalization should be turned off, as that's not normally done in Lojban. -phma 13:22, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, you're talking to the wrong person. I don't have any access to the servers. — Timwi 16:38, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Who is the right person, then? Angela says you have CVS access, and then someone who has shell access can update the code on the server. -phma 19:11, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've had a look at the file. It is old-style. I can only commit it to the 1.3 branch. — As you already pointed out, someone else will have to do the work on the actual servers, including setting the capitalisation option. — Timwi 19:31, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

How do I convert it to the latest version? I'll also need to know this so that when Wikitravel (which is currently running 1.2.3) is upgraded, we can upgrade the French file (which is a bit different from the one in Wikipedia). -phma 04:20, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If you are upgrading to 1.3, you still want the old format. — As an example for the new format, see LanguageDe.php in CVS HEAD — in particular, notice how almost all of the arrays like the month names and the math rendering options have been moved to the general messages array so they can be customised using the MediaWiki namespace. — Timwi 14:44, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi Timwi. I pointed Pierre to you for help with the lojban language file as I thought the most time consuming part of this was checking the language file before committing it, and I knew you would be able to do this, which would make it a lot easier for someone with access to put it live. Also, I had the impression you were more accepting of the controversial languages than Tim Starling was since you were involved with the Klingon Wikipedia. enjylys. 23:09, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)

Ooh, I like it! A little problem (besides that a lot of it isn't translated yet): in the edit form "galfi djunoi" (Editing help) goes to the "uikipedias" namespace, which should exist, but doesn't. As that namespace is referred to by the variable $wgMetaNamespace, I wasn't sure how to get it to work right. "prenu:" and "User:" go to the same namespace, which is good as it keeps links on my talk page from breaking, as do "pixra:" and "Image:". -phma 03:05, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

"Edit this box"?

Why did you put an "Edit this box" link in the Saffir-Simpson template? Are you putting these in all template tables? --Golbez 03:08, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, I've put them in two or three before. I noticed that many boxes had them. — Why might you not want it? Clearly it's the perfect way of making editing it easier for newbies. Seeing {{blah}} doesn't exactly tell newbies they need to go to [[Template:Blah]]. — Timwi 03:11, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)