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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Geogre (talk | contribs) at 00:07, 21 August 2004. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Wikisource, except that there's something odd going on: Scania isn't a nation. Perhaps someone else can determine if this is a deletion matter (i.e. someone making a political point) or just a transwiki and delete matter. Geogre 17:11, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • You looking at me, Geogre? I think there probably is a political point. Nils Hansson was a very, very, very minor Swedish poet, younger brother of notable poet Ola Hansson (1860-1925). Nils can't be found in the Swedish national library catalogue or on Project Runeberg, though the song (which is not of great literary merit) was probably published in some form (magazine?) about a hundred years ago. It's a eulogy in praise of the poet's home region Scania (Skåne), the southernmost tip of Sweden, and to describe it as a "national" anthem doesn't make sense. That is either an egregious slip of the pen or a political promotion of the small but vocal regional Scania Party and/or other representatives of the cause of Scanian independence from Sweden. (No, not kidding.) I lean a little towards the political alternative, if only because the same user has also posted the song on the List of national anthems article today. (I'd remove it, but Wikipedia is broken, at least from here, and I don't know if I'll even be able to save this edit.) Do not transwiki. The song itself is a harmless piece, but an old song about Skåne (in Swedish, people!) described as a national anthem isn't of any use except for mischief, even if the anonymous poster meant no harm. Anyway, delete article for non-notability. Bishonen 21:37, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • It might be a Wikisource candidate, if only because of the trouble someone's gone to with all the formatting... but does anyone know what the copyright status is? I don't know if he's been dead long enough under Swedish law for it to be PD.... Either way, it's certainly not an encyclopedia entry, nor is there any point in having an anthem of a non-existent nation. -FZ 13:54, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Seventy years after the author's death is the cutoff, so a Swedish author who was alive in 1934 is copyright, one who was dead is PD. Nils is too obscure for my research skills, but well-known brother Ola was the elder and was born in 1860. You figure it: there's nothing much against Nils' song being copyright still. Btw, the text appears with the same formatting in Swedish Wikipedia, a reasonable place for it, and with a sensible introduction. I translate the latter:
"'Vackra hembygd, du som vilar' is one of the songs often associated with Skåne. It is also known as 'Sång till Skåne'. The text is by Nils Hansson and the music by Cid Smedberg."
Please nobody clean up our article by putting in this version, though. The song is possible though unverifiable copyvio. Btw, the user who entered the song on Swedish wiki is also a user here, and I've written him a note, in case he'd like to add to this discussion. Bishonen 15:50, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Scania isn't a nation? Why is it then full member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation who has alected a Scanian into it's board of directors? If Scania's national anthem should be deleted, then for instance, Scotlands Flower of Scotland also would be in big trouble... Snio 20:02, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry, "Snio", (I see your account only just came into existence, hello there), I've written a lot on this subject already, so I'm not going to take up your, uh, gauntlet, I'll just alert one or two well-regarded Swedish Wikipedians to share some of the explaining here. It's interesting to see that there really was a political point and not a simple mistake, but I get tired. A bit nauseous, too. Bishonen 20:43, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • Snio, we are not accountable for the actions of the "Unrepresented Nations" board. We are accountable for Wikipedia, and Wikipedia's obligation is to be factual. Scania is not a nation: fact. Scania's song, if it has one, does not get to be a national anthem. Secondly, Scania's unofficial un-nation does not have a chosen verse as its song, so saying that this is it is POV or original research -- both grounds for deletion. Thirdly, argument by analogy is a fallacy, to start with, but if you have a case to make that Scania was a separate nation that ruled itself for 600 years or so and that it joined Sweden only as a separate kingdom whose legislative rights have been recognized under a "United Kingdom," then, by all means make it and argue for its parity with Scotland. Otherwise, you've chosen a rotten analogy to make a fallacious argument with. Consensus so far is for deletion. It's fine that you believe in your region, but this isn't the place for boosterism. Geogre 00:07, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. The lyrics does not belong here more than any general song lyrics, nationalistic or not, since Wikipedia is not a repository of that kind. Contributions regarding culture are welcomed, but pushing a particular political agenda is not. If it does actually belong in the public domain it is a candidate for Wikisource, not here. Remove from list of national anthems. -- Mic 22:21, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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