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List of Newgrounds groups

Delete - this article is nothing more than vanity/spam for Newgrounds users, nor can I see it becoming anything other than that. This topic does not really need anything more than a paragraph in the Newgrounds article. Wikipedia is not a place to chronicle the accomplishments of whatever flash animation group you belong to, thats what Geocities is for. Wickethewok 04:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Any pages that glorify a single author that has a website outside of newgrounds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eklipsep (talk • contribs)
  • Joseph Blanchette and illwillpress (Neurotically Yours is a more detailed article) are two fine examples.
  • David Firth is another good one. He even has pages for four of his series. He has no references that aren't his homepage, newgrounds, his group's webpage, and what's essentially a blog that looks like an article. If that's all these groups need to have "independent verifiability", I'll write an article for them myself. Cableshaft 23 May 2006
  • Response - You raise a good point. Articles such as David Firth should be indeed be sourced. You may source them yourself if you like or it may be put up for deletion, though if they are sourced they can be kept. Citing other bad examples of articles, doesn't really help your case though... Wickethewok 00:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Note I belong to one of the groups in question and therefore a bit biased (but how can you tell who is or isn't on this list anyway), but I sincerely believe at least one of the groups is notable enough to remain on Wikipedia. Also it should be noted that the previous vote for the Clock Crew was done when their website was down and they were falsely considered to be a dead group. Cableshaft - 23 May 2006
  • Keep The clock crew has gone on for years and years, and isn't really just a part of "newgrounds" anymore. It's developed its own personallity. Heck, even if it didn't have NG it'd still be going just the same. The other groups, as a result, are the same thing. They aren't reliant on Newgrounds and as a result shouldn't just be merged into the Newgrounds article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.248.197 (talk)
  • Keep "Website vanity" is publishing a Wikipedia article about your personal website because nobody visits it and you're looking to get more hits. Some forum someone just starts up on InvisionFree or something is not notable and would be website vanity. However, groups on Newgrounds (especially the Clock Crew) have histories all their own, often separate from goings-on at Newgrounds entirely. This article is not about a website--it is about a large community of animators, akin to what the Ant Farm (group) was, except most publicity it recieves is on the Internet, and it's far larger. Ultimately, a group of artists who come together to make a variation on a sort of art. Architecture is to "fringe architecture" as animation is to "Clock/Lock/Glock animation." If you're looking for some hard evidence of notability, one member of the Clock Crew once donned a StrawberryClock suit and passed out fliers on the streets of Dublin, Ireland. There is video of this event if you would care to see it. 62bda02 - 23 May 2006
  • Heehee - Whether or not its relevant, those who voted keep (4 users) have a combined mainspace edit total of 7, only 1 of which is not to the article in question. Sometimes AFD is quite amusing. Wickethewok 00:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm too afraid to contribute anything but typos or grammar fixes on this site since it seems just about anything related to the internet gets branded with "non-notable" and deleted on here. I just don't have the time or the stamina other people on this site have to hunt down what I consider to be false or missing information, find an online article that makes the claim I'm looking for, and use it to justify the edit. - Cableshaft - 23 May 2006
That's too bad. If you feel that Wikipedia needs more useful internet-related articles, you should add them. Be bold, though aware you do need to back up your claims of notability and facts, which is the entire point of AFD. As I'm sure you realize, without such standards, Wikipedia would just become an assortment of a mess of arbitrary information. Best of fortune with future editing. Wickethewok 01:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete/Smerge Possibly some useful material in there. Beno1000 00:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very Strong Keep - why delete, these things exist, and existance is reason to be included in wikipedia, isn't wikipedia supposed to be a user based all encompassing encyclopedia, if so, then why deny the existence of such groups, that would be like saying nazism doesn't exist because people didn't like it, keep it, and if this is vanity, then delete the several articles pertaining the single characters of flash animation including the animators/artists, because that would be considered vanity in that cause — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malteseclock (talk • contribs)
  • Very Strong Keep - As has been said before, these groups are a well known section of the site, Newgrounds.com. The information mentioned in it are based on actual events. Also, the groups have tried before to make independent articles regarding these groups, however, each time they were either deleted or merged into this section article. These groups represent a large faction within the subculture of Newgrounds and should be mentioned so that persons wishing to learn more about this subculture can better understand it. So since this can be used by persons to learn more information, it should stay due to its own merits towards better informing persons interested in Newgrounds and the internet culture that has grown around it. WinchesterLock 23 May 2006
  • ""Very Strong Keep""* - There are articles regarding all kinds of web fads and trends, and this site actually gave me a good bit more insight into the clock crew. I see no valid reason for it's deletation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.231.120 (talk)
  • Keep - The article serves as an accompaniment to the main Newgrounds article as the Something Awful Forums article does to the Something Awful article. If a list of minor characters from Danny Phantom warrants an article, why not four prolific groups of flash animators? The article on Jonti Picking, creator of Weebl and Bob, was nominated for deletion, but kept because Weebl and Bob is so prolific. This was aside from the fact that Weebl and Bob has an article of it's own. Dan Paladin, a talented animator who co-created a videogame for PS2 Gamecube and Xbox, was a prominent member of the Clock Crew. The Clock Crew sparked Dan's interest in the character Tricky the Clown, who makes a cameo appearance in the game. Moreover, most of the groups exist independantly from Newgrounds, utilizing their own websites, and sites such as FlashPortal, SheezyArt, and DeviantArt, to funnel flash output. If Newgrounds went down, these groups would stay up. Biddynorris 23 May 2006
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