User talk:Sewing

I will be on a mini-Wikibreak until Monday morning, 30 August. I will probably not reply to you before Monday.

Archives to 5 August 2004 (The end of my second Wikibreak)

Welcome back!

Welcome back! Although I'm less active than before, I'm glad to see you back here. I've stopped using the watchlist entirely, and it really helps. I know it's a great feature, but there is a danger to get too involved... let's all play yut to relax ;-)

Thanks a lot for your recent additions. I think your info boxes and the adding of the different romanizations are just great!

(P.S.: what do you think of the flag in {{msg:korean ?)

-- Kokiri 09:48, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! I think the boxes are much neater than the long lists.... The flag looks good! It looks like you've played yut. I haven't done that, although I've done nolttwigi (놀뛰기; the traditional see-saw). Take care, --Sewing 22:42, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

pyongyang

Sorry, I seem to have destroyed a few of your nice pyongangs. Kokiri 22:28, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

That's okay. I'll fix them later. So much work, so little time! --Sewing 22:30, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I shouldn't edit when I'm that tired ;-) Thanks for your great additions! Kokiri 22:33, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No, I should be thanking you: I wouldn't waste my time on Wikipedia if there wasn't at least one other person who's really interested in this stuff... --Sewing 22:36, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've now reverted my edits (except for those where you have been quicker), so at least there should be nothing worse than it was before. Now, it's time to say goodnight (not for you, though ;-). Have a good day! Kokiri 22:57, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It's not nighttime here, but I should stop. So good night! --Sewing 22:59, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

안녕하세요! I have nominated you for adminship on the English Wikipedia. I would be hard-put to think of a better candidate than you, and I think your promotion is already long overdue. To accept or (preferably not) decline the nomination, click here. 안녕히 계세요! David Cannon 11:03, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

대단히 감사들입니다! I am very honoured that you nominated me. I have replied on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, but I'd like to think about it for a couple of days. It's a big responsibility, and maintaining the List of Korea-related topics is work enough! --Sewing 02:20, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

BTW, congratulations on overtaking my edit count in the past few days ;-) Kokiri 08:37, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Does your count include Diruwiki, though? Including Diruwiki, you must have a lot more edits... --Sewing 12:06, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It does, actually, but no, you've overtaken me now in the number of edits ;-) (you even seem to get credit [1] for the Korean Confucianism article because of copy & paste; but take this as my little present for your (accepting the) nomination for adminship) Kokiri 21:43, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, that was very sneaky of me! What can I say? I was new.... BTW, almost all my best articles (List of Korea-related topics; Taxicab; Vancouver SkyTrain; Transportation in South Korea (my very first edited article!)) were not actually created by me, but were expansions of stubs or near-stubs. --Sewing 00:37, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Shiri

Thanks for adding the Swiri spelling. I have forgotten about that... my release is spelt Shiri , that's why. Have a nice day! Kokiri 08:57, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It's a bit funny that they used 2 different spellings for the title inside and outside of Korea. "Shiri" is probably closer to the way the word should be pronounced, anyhow: for someone who doesn't know Revised Romanization or Hangul, they would pronounce "Swiri" like "Swiss"! And "Shiri" is probably also a better spelling than McCune-Reischauer's "Shwiri," since that "w" isn't really a fully differentiated, English-style "w."

But then, how about in Switzerland? It should be spelled "Schiri" there, right? (At least for speakers of Switzerdeutsch!) --Sewing 12:12, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It should be spelled like that in German (for the pronunciation, but there's no standard romanization of Korean in German, and as you might guess, it's a mess ;-), that's right; but I did buy my copy in Seoul...

Cool! You created a REDIRECT off of my Switzerdeutsch link! It was red yesterday, and now it's blue! There is no standard romanization of Korean in German either, eh? Although, technically, you could say that all 3 systems (Revised, McCune-Reischauer, Yale) should work in any language that uses the Roman alphabet.... I have come to think that the best Korean romanization system would use Revised consonants and M-R vowels. But no doubt there would be someone who would think exactly the opposite: that the best system would have Revised vowels and M-R consonants! Sigh.... --Sewing 00:32, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

At least I pronounce "쉬리" as something like "Schühri" (keeping the German theme)—that is, with something close to a monophthong "ㅟ" sound. But then again, I've noticed I tend to monophthongise the "ㅟ" more than many other Koreans, who pronounce it as [wi] regardless of the preceding consonant. I pronounce a monophthong "ㅟ" vowel for combinations such as "쉬", "쥐", "취", "뒤", and "귀", and I hear the monophthong pronunciation is standard in North Korea for every instance of "ㅟ". Whatever. The most common pronunciation is probably somewhere in between. --Iceager 14:00, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome:-)

Hello again! Thank you for signing my talk page and for all your kind words. I'm so pleased you've decided to accept the nomination. The fact that you took time out to think it over before responding shows you to be precisely the kind of person that an administrator should be - someone who handles matters thoughtfully and patiently. In a few days I look forward to being able to say, "Welcome to the team." BTW, it's great to know that your wife was born in Korea - I know from experience that you made a superb choice there! 나중에 또 만날때까지, 안녕히 계세요. David Cannon 11:33, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks again. 그때까지 안녕히 계십시오! 저도 아내를 잘 선택했다고 생강합니다. --Sewing 15:57, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wiktionary

When I want to convert between romanizations, I look up the Hanja on Wiktionary and check what each romanization is there. In the case of Yale, I think that some info may be incorrect on Wiktionary. WhisperToMe 04:45, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! I'll look into that. --Sewing 04:46, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, geez! It'd take forever to fix everything in Wiktionary! But I see what you mean. I guess I'll have to do something I've been too lazy to do: add a romanization table here in Wikipedia that shows the Korean letters in the various romanization systems, side by side...

But I can give you a quick rundown (Hangul -> Revised -> McC.-R. -> Yale):

ㅏ a a a (that one's easy!)

ㅐ ae ae ay

ㅑ ya ya ya

ㅒ yae yae yay

ㅓ eo ŏ e

ㅔ e e ey

ㅕ yeo yŏ ye

ㅖ ye ye yey

ㅗ o o o (another easy one...)

ㅘ wa wa wa

ㅙ wae wae way

ㅚ oe oe oy

ㅛ yo yo yo

ㅜ u u wu

ㅝ wo wŏ we

ㅞ we we wey

ㅟ wi wi wi

ㅠ yu yu yu

ㅡ eu ŭ u

ㅢ ui ŭi uy

ㅣ i i i

Now, how's that for personal service? ;) --Sewing 05:34, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Sewing :) WhisperToMe 05:42, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No problem. I've been too lazy to put into its own article.... --Sewing 05:43, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

please: Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates -.- ~~~ (Kokiri 08:23, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC))

Done. Nice photo, by the way! --Sewing 08:35, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! Kokiri 08:56, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

{{sakorea

I've created {{sakorea}}, which I started to add to articles. It gives (currently) a ==See also * [[List of Kore-related..., Kokiri 08:41, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Answer on my page. Kokiri 08:56, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

-.- ~~ ~

Sleep well! Kokiri 12:45, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

FYI (Korea)

I've probably rendered Recent Changes (List of Korea-related topics) useless for today... Well, I've done some categorization. It'll need tyding up (probably gradually), and probably some more (e.g. Korean mountains). With reagrards to mountains, BTW, I think we should have them in a standard format. I think XX-san is best (including the hyphen), but that's only one view.

Also, I've added {{sakorea}} to many articles. However, I think eventually we should get rid of this and replace them with the real thing (i.e. ==See also== *[[List of Korea-related topics]]. This will be necessary to make editing more intuitive.

That'll be it from me for the moment, I think. Kokiri 20:40, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree with you on both points. Good job! --Sewing 22:02, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Since it seems naming tables/infoboxes are being used in Chinese too, I decided to combine them in this article: Baitou Mountain WhisperToMe 05:09, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Excellent! Funnily enough, I was thinking of doing exactly the same thing for exactly the same article (Baitou/Paektu Mountain)! Just out of curiosity, which China-related article did you see that box on? --Sewing 06:21, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I saw a "Chinese" table at Sun Yat-sen. It isn't exactly like the Korean table. WhisperToMe 22:16, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Re Egon's articles, I'd say use whatever the Korean government does. That's the kind of expression a person is most likely to come across (if at all) in English. For the shi, I'd drop it. This simply because I haven't come across it in English. Have a nice day! Kokiri 08:03, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You know, for me gun are pretty small already... What could be nice to do XXXX-gun in the title (i.e. not bold the gun bit). Kokiri 08:09, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Like this:

Ganghwa-gun is a ...

Instead of:

Ganghwa-gun is a ... ?

-Sewing 13:33, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I thought. I know it's weird with two pages. If you want, you can add a space to my user talk... and I'll assume it's you anyway... so you can save typing anything.... Kokiri 13:39, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Both look fine, too. I think do what you feel most comfortable with... Kokiri 13:47, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've just killed off sakorea. It was a short cut, but it's a bit awkward to edit, well it is no more... Once you're an admin (2 days to go), you can delete the Template :-) Kokiri 14:43, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Canadian television personalities

Hi there...when you add the Canadian television personalities category link to an article, could you please use the format [[Category:Canadian television personalities|Short, Martin]]? If you don't include the name in that way, then the article gets alphabetized on the category page under M for Martin, instead of S for Short. Thanks. Bearcat 07:55, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'll reply on your talk page. --Sewing 07:56, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Template

Looks great. Where will the instructions go (e.g. NK has McR romanization first, or the different categories we have...)? Is this on the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)? Neat. Have a nice day! Kokiri 18:23, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Name table syntax

Hi, I wonder why that the easier-looking pipe-syntax is not used, instead of the HTML syntax. For example: Lily. --Menchi 19:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Another neat-looking (literally) possibility for the tables are templates, like Dog's. It could make the editors' lives easir. --Menchi 19:31, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

A good suggestion to which I have replied on your talk page. --Sewing 19:37, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Bot

It seems a lot of your works lately have been somewhat repetitive (changing basically the same thing on 70 pages; disambiguating). Do you or Kokiri know how to use a bot? That'd help a lot. I myself have no idea, but instead of disambiguating all links to Formosa myself (about 20 or 30), I just asked a bot operator of the time (TimStarling). It was done in a few minutes instead of hours. --Menchi 19:41, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Replied on your page. --Sewing 19:42, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I contacted a bot operator basically because it was convenient at the time. I was on IRC, and Tim offered help. But I could see that how it might be a complex coordination task if this is on-going (and this is) and if the operator has no personal interest in the subject. Can you learn how to use a bot? It needs Perl language knowledge or something. Any computer science background? If not, it's probably not that hard to recruit an operator. Just go to the Pump or somewhere. Wikipedians are helpful by nature.

In any case, a bot would really help out this situation. Any time you feel your brain is numbing as you do some tasks on WP -- it's your brain begging you to stop the robotic task and instead, take advantage of the mindless bot. --Menchi 19:54, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

True, but it adds to my stats! ;) Longer reply on your talk page... --Sewing 19:59, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi, David: Thank you for supporting my nomination for adminship. And I'm humbled and impressed that David Cannon's endorsement of me is sufficient for you to vote in my favour. --Sewing 01:11, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Glad to support your nomination. But I don't want you — or anyone else — to think that I take lightly on RfA votes. I carefully reviewed your contributions and found you quite deserving. Cheers, and good luck with the last few days of the nom. period. David Remahl 01:20, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you. And far from it! I don't take the idea of being a sysop lightly either, although I wouldn't let the position go to my head. Although some admins try to emphaize that being an admin is nothing special, I think that having the power to block pages, delete pages quickly, etc., is a huge privilege, and one that could be easily abused. I have no intention of abusing it—or hopefully even exercising such privileges, and certainly never on something that I am editing as an everyday user! --Sewing 01:27, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

KBot

Well, of course, if you can run a bot, that'll be easier... However, I think I've done three of your five points for all the existing articles in the LOKRT in the past few days. They should all have a See also: LOKRT, either on its own or added to the existing one, and I've put them all into a category related to Korea. So we'll only have to keep up with new articles.

As for the tables, this would be a good idea. As for replacing the existing tables, there are already bots that do that (I know there's one on the German WP; I think it was called Zwobot), so you'll only find one of those and run it.

Baitou Mountain; yes, I've seen this on your talk page already ;-)

Kokiri 06:55, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Chuncheon-shi

Chuncheon-shi and Chuncheon need to be merged. I'm not sure how to do this best, so I'll wait for your opinion... Kokiri 11:12, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Let's merge them into Chuncheon. --Sewing 13:26, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

You're very welcome! --Merovingian✍Talk 12:47, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

What do you think?

Template:Korean requires |hangul= parameter.

Hah! I was thinking of using the clipboard icon, too! Let me reword it a bit and get back to you... -山道子 (Sewing) - talk 18:19, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, I've changed it back, mostly now (I didn't lke it)... Sorry, have a go yourself, first! Kokiri 18:21, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Template

Can I have my edit link back? Other than that, great now. Kokiri 18:47, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

OK, you're right. Leave it as it is. Kokiri 18:48, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Maybe we don't need another template. Yes, I've started adding tables, but lazy as I am, I leave gaps. However, with the new table markup filling in the missing data should not be too difficult at a later stage... As for the bot, adding tables could be a bit difficult since we're currently using quite a number of ways to include romanizations, hanja and hangeul - I couldn't program a bot clever enough for this... Have a nice day! Kokiri 21:14, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You're welcome

Good luck :) Andre 18:50, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! Congratulations on your nomination! 172 19:17, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

발해

Re Bohai: hehe, 발해 again. Are you sure that Barhae is the correct romanization? As mentioned elsewhere on your talk page, the brochure I've got uses Balhae, and this is pretty much from the government ('s tourist office). Have a nice day... I'm off Kokiri 22:29, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Whoops: I think you're right. If so, this is like writing 시 as "si": this is a case where the Revised Romanization does not match up with the pronunciation! -山道子 (Sewing) - talk 22:31, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've left you a message on my talk page. Have a happy day. Kokiri 22:38, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

There is no Z...

I've reached the end of the Y (Yut), but there's no Z... Well, I've actually skipped most of Egon's articles and didn't add much (i.e. most tables are incomplete). I'll probably be much less active in the next few days...

Have a nice day! Kokiri aka kBot

Egon's Legacy

Hi there. I'll call it a day for today. I've just compiled User talk:Kokiri/Egon's Legacy (feel free to edit!). It's a list of all Korea stubs created by User:Egon. I haven't added them to List of Korea-related topics yet, because we probably want to move them. Also on that page a link to a very handy online converter to change the table markup from HTML to the Wikimedia pipes. I've already seen your work at Chuncheon, and it looks great! So, as mentioned, don't expect much from me in the next few days (October's closing in...). Kokiri 16:29, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

As for October, think this way. As for Egon, I think he's working on the Estonian Wiki now... As for the converter, I put a query on the pump... so don't give me credit for that. Kokiri 21:36, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've sent you an e-mail (E-mal this user). Kokiri 21:55, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Consider it (Egon's legacy) done. Enjoy your new powers and have a happy day! Kokiri 20:38, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

-gun / -si

I've moved three articles ending in -gun to without the -gun (Boeun-gun to Boeun; Boseong-gun to Boseung; Buan-gun to Buan). Is this a good idea? Kokiri 22:16, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No! I've got a much better idea! I thought "county" wasn't used in government websites, but both the Boeun Korean home page and the Boseong English home page call themselves "Boeun County" and "Boseong County" respectively! I say let's move all x-gun articles to "x county"! Then it conforms with the general idea of using English in article titles as much as possible.... -山道子 (Sewing) - talk 22:54, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

I had two reasons for declining adminship. First, I don't have the right temperament to be an arbitrator, since I get involved in fights far too easily (since you are Korean, have a look at the history of Kim Jong-il to see what I mean). Second, I have some reservations about the way Wikipedia is run and I don't want to assume responsibility for running a system I don't really agree with (for example, I don't think anonymous people should be allowed to edit articles). But don't let me put you off :). Adam 00:47, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

By "anonymous" I mean not only "not logged on" but "without a traceable email address." In my opinion all editors ought to be locateable in the real world. Whisper is a good example of why I should not be an administrator. I know that he is well-meaning, and I was very annoying myself when I was a 15yo know-it-all, but I would have banned him 20 times over by now if I had the power to do so. Adam 03:34, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I am also opposed to the free dissemination of Wikipedia pages by other online "encyclopaedias". Adam 03:52, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

There were Three reasons

It wasn't "the words of David Cannon and Menchi alone" that convinced me to support your nomination for adminship. The third reason was that you notified people who might oppose your nomination. I expect that is an indication of how you will approach future situations, as well. Normally I wouldn't vote on the nomination of someone whom I don't have first-hand knowledge of, but I'm confident that in this case my trust is properly placed. It looks like you are about to become an admin by unanimous vote. Congratulations. SWAdair | Talk 03:51, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for catching the link to a disambiguation page. Fixed. SWAdair | Talk 04:22, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Overseas Koreans' pronunciation of Korean

Regarding your question... I seem to remember you live in Vancouver. I have not been in that area, but I think I can make some generalisations about Koreans in North America. The vast majority of them are mostly recent immigrants, meaning they have emigrated from South Korea or are descended from those who have. The South Korean government has promoted standard Korean through education, and in any case the influence of mass media has made all South Koreans speakers of standard Korean in public. They may speak different dialects at home or with people from the same regional background, but they can all speak standard Korean when the need arises.

When they immigrate, the overseas Korean communities will probably contain Koreans from many different regions. So all the people speak something close to standard Korean, albeit with varying degrees of regional accents in many cases. I do hear regional accents in many Koreans in North America, but I cannot recall anyone speaking with a full-fledged accent. It may be that they adopt standard Korean when speaking to me, as I speak standard Korean. Also, I have not noticed any noteable pronunciation features in the speech of North American Koreans that are not found in South Korean speech, except some English-influenced pronunciation of certain sounds in the case of bilinguals.

All this is just an observation of what happens when there is a successful standardisation of language; nothing unusual here. It may not be a very satisfying explanation. The reason I point this out, though, is that this past summer I've had conversations with some 고려인—ethnic Koreans of the former Soviet Republics. In Ukraine, where I met them, only the oldest generation remembers any Korean. I had a lot of difficulty understanding the Korean they spoke, since their Korean was something close to the 함경 dialect. The differences in vocabulary were the most obvious, such as saying 어지럽다 for 'dirty' (I hear such usage is also found in North Korea's standard speech). The 고려인 are/decend from Koreans who left Korea before government standardisation of the language, and therefore retain their old dialects. Hope this helps... --Iceager 13:51, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sysop

Congratulations! After getting 100% support on requests for adminship, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the administrators' how-to guide helpful. Good luck. Angela . 14:34, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations, Sewing! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 14:37, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I congratulate you also -- and it should be noted that, in case you were under misapprehensions, adminship is not so much angelic powers as it is a place of testing. ;-) Good luck, and if I can help you with anything, please ask. Most new admins (well, me, at least) find it calmer and safer to consult old hands before trying out their new tricks. Anyway, see you around, and keep up the editing! Jwrosenzweig 17:36, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, we can all hope for it as a wilderness experience (or perhaps a pilgrim's progress, to follow the theme)....but if some days you look to your left and see Virgil and Dante passing through, well, don't say I didn't warn you. ;-) But the benefits are there too, and are real, and I'm very pleased you're on board. I'll stop scaring you now and get back to being productive. :-) Jwrosenzweig 17:44, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

it seems as if some people don't think that admins should be allowed to simply "hold their powers in reserve," so I will try to actively participate in admin-type duties

I definitely support going ahead to partake in sysop activities, but don't let anyone pressure you into thinking there are any obligations with the powers. I'm not sure who would give you that idea. You have not bartered your life away with this. :) Fuzheado | Talk 23:20, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

C.T. Onions

Good to know someone's reading. I do believe Onions deserves a longer article. I contributed a bit to it because I drafted an article on the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, which lately I've been exchanging letters with the Oxford University Press about. (It seems until I told them, they were unaware the third edition had been published under a different name). I looked at H.W. Fowler's and I feel it's too short. (I've not seen it, but does Murray's article do him justice?) I see there's nothing on Philip Gove, who edited the Webster's Third New International; considering the controversy that greeted that book, I'm surprised.

Lexicography is another of my interests--one I'll have to add to the already ridiculously long list on my page. Let me know if I can help with it. So far I've been doing work on congressmen from my state, Ohio, and the United States Supreme Court.

Ave atque vale! PedanticallySpeaking 15:49, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations, Sewing! I knew that the others would share my confidence in you. I'm so glad you've got the desire to help build this great Wikipedia project. I look forward to continue seeing you about. David Cannon 06:23, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations, Sewing! I stayed away from the poll for safety. I don't think you will abuse privileges, but I found that the concept of trust here (or in english communities) is different from what I think of. --Nanshu 06:45, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Welcome back!

pyongyang

Adminship

Shiri

You're welcome:-)

Categories

Wiktionary

{{sakorea

-.- ~~ ~

FYI (Korea)

Canadian television personalities

Template

Name table syntax

Bot

Adminship

KBot

Chuncheon-shi

Adminship

What do you think?

Template

You're welcome

발해

There is no Z...

Egon's Legacy

-gun / -si

Adminship

There were Three reasons

Overseas Koreans' pronunciation of Korean

Sysop

C.T. Onions

Congratulations!