User talk:Angela/History archive3

Welcome to my talk page. Anything you write here may be archived (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12), refactored, moved or deleted. I will usually reply on your talk page. If my reply is related to a non-English-Wikipedia project, I will usually reply on that project rather than here. If you reply to me on another Wikipedia, or on your own talk page, please let me know on this page. The full stop after my name in my signature is a secret link to page. The page history for this page before June 2004 has been moved. (Feb-Dec 2003, Jan-Jun 2004).

Picture of the day Set design for Act III of the opera Gustave III, ou Le bal masqué, composed by Daniel Auber with a libretto by Eugène Scribe. Created for the première performance at the Salle Le Peletier of the Paris Opera on 27 February 1833. The opera concerns some aspects of the real-life assassination of Gustav III, King of Sweden. Its libretto was used as the original basis for Giuseppe Verdi's later Un ballo in maschera, though Italian censorship forced numerous changes to that version.Set design credit: Pierre-Luc-Charles Cicéri; restored by Adam Cuerden

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Help desk

I award you this barnstar for all the help you give to people at the help desk. Theresa Knott 23:22, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Deleting User pages

I thot it was great the way you not only blocked the th: vandal, but also helped revert some of the damage. Anyway, I am curious why you put speedy tags on your obsolete User/User talk pages, instead of just deleting them yourself. Niteowlneils 17:19, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I suspected something along those lines, and looked for it, but obviously not close enuf (I mostly looked at the cases on the 'candidates' page. Niteowlneils 18:33, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Trinity Buoy Wharf

I was trying to move Trinity *Bouy* Wharf to the correctly spelt page Trinity *Buoy* Wharf and mistakenly created a page with the new name before realising that I then couldn't move it to a page which already has a name - or can I? Saintswithin 18:24, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Deleted and moved. Niteowlneils 18:33, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Niteowlneils. Angela

TV naming conventions

Angela. I find myself in dispute with a number of users at the moment and I don't have the fight in me to spark off another RFC so I'm appealing to your good sense to sort something out without resorting to that. I would understand if you'd rather not get involved though.

I feel that User:Netoholic has acted with the upmost disgrace on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television). A few days ago I and a number of other users noticed that pages related to TV programmes were being moved by him, so we questioned what was going on and he said that he was moving them under the guidelines at Wikipedia: Naming conventions (television). When I looked at this page I discovered that the policy had been written by Netoholic a few hours earlier. So on the talk page I questioned what was going on. On that page there was a straw poll that had no indication of when it was due to finish. The so-called convention that Netoholic adopted had 5 votes and one of the other options had 2 votes. Several users argued with netoholic that this straw poll had not received enough publicity and no result had been declared, and questioned the so-called consensus policy that Netoholic was adopting. I ended up arguing with Netoholic on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions because in my opinion he was falsely claiming that some kind of consensus had been reached, when in actual fact more people had complained to him about the policy he was implementing than had actually voted for it. During this argument several more people cast their votes on the straw poll including you. I made a proposal that the straw poll be declared null and void; that the so called policy be declared a draft proposal; and that we restart a new poll with proper procedures and sufficient publicity. Several users agreed with this and User:Gtrmp drew up a poll and put it in his user space. At this point the policy that he had implemented was losing the straw poll. Netoholic decided to ignore the suggestions of starting with a clean sheet. He drew up his own poll which rather than list different options, is just to decide whether the policy he drew up should be endorsed or not. Furthermore he has put a time limit 20 days on it. So if we are to change his policy it would need 20 days before we even got to the stage of beginning the vote on an alternative, and then I guess another 20 odd days before any change in policy is implemented. Quite frankly I'm disgusted. Oh, he also moved the page to an archive thus losing the history. I have fixed this now though. You can see precisely what was going on if you look at the page before Netoholic expunged the content here. He has also moved around some other comments from one page to another so it might be difficult to follow exactly what's going on. Cheers. Mintguy (T) 00:49, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

On the converse, I feel like all the dissenters are not assuming good faith on my part. I wrote up a short convention on Aug 19, based on this Aug 17th edit on the Talk page, which shows both in the poll and previous discussion showing a wide preference in using "TV over television" and specifically "(TV series)" for most needs. The straw poll was very informal, there is no requirement that every poll be publicized all over the map. A post asking for input was placed by me on Village Pump for quite some time, starting on Aug 9.

The current poll is designed to simply determine what should happen to the currently written convention, and was done in response to all the criticism. Thanks for looking into this. -- Netoholic 03:07, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Why not allow some more discussion, and changes to the proposed policy before trying to vote on it. I think you need to consider the alternatives rather than just saying yes or no to the current proposal. Since I already voted, I'm not the most neutral person to ask about this anyway. Angela 16:22, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Sockpuppet quiz

I am slighted that I was not included within the sockpuppet quiz. I have worked very hard to establish my status; please remember me next time. Lirath Q. Pynnor

The question was about banned users, and you weren't banned at the time. Angela 16:22, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Wikistress Four

There seems to be a recent epidemic of them. What's on your mind? Ilyanep

Ack, nothing. I'll remove it again. It's mostly RL stress, not Wikistress anyway. Angela 16:22, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Angela,

as an annonymous user I made some edits on some of the pages I was reading because I considered the grammar of the sentence I was reading to be wrong. I then was surprised to recieve a message from you stating that I should stop my vandalism or I would be banned.

Now, I realize that I can't do anything to stop you from banning me, but I would like to understand where I went wrong and hopefully prevent this from happening in the future.

Thanks for your time.

Miguel

Replied at User talk:MMart311. Angela

Welcoming

Hi, Angela. :) I noticed that you recently welcomed Funkyj. I was recently welcomed by Neutrality, my only problem being that I doubt he is as beautiful as you are. Any comments? ;-) AdmN 22:16, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

erm. No comment. Angela

Thai wikipedia moderator rights

Hello Angela, in the Thai wikipedia it has been suggested that me and user:Ahoerstemeier also get moderatorrights there and the steward there has given these rights to us. I do not know if you manually "revoke" the rights you gave me yesterday, if so please don't revoke them. For the discussion see: พูดคุย:หน้าหลัก The discussion reverse, partly in English were me and Ahoerstemeier are asked in English to agree and the other pediamembers also. Waerth 22:39, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I had actually desysopped you about 20 minutes before Bact sysopped you. :) I assume you can still use your admin powers ok now? Angela 01:50, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Template:Quotable

Maybe. SV 02:44, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

What is the purpose of Wakipedia

Angela,

How does a private mail between Wakipedia and yourself become public item for everyones consuption. the trancript are listed below. I am not familiar with the confidentiality policy of Wakipedia. Please write and explain fully before i ponder on my next move.

I assume you mean Wikipedia, since Wakipedia seems to be some site which might well be violating our trademark that I'd never heard of before today. Private mail to me doesn't become public whereas everything you write on this talk page does. Angela 18:32, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Of liars who do not know when to let go!

Tawney you really do not know when to let it go do you? When are you going to realise that you are not the only one that has lost relatives in Uganda!

You fail to see the fact that whereas your account of Luweero is at odds with that of most people who were in Luweero at the time it is still your account. That other people may wonder why should not be really that surprising to you.

Shaka's shot in the dark was that it may have been because you were close to Obote's regime or his forces which in my opinion is not a crime unless you were directly involved in the atrocities that many of them committed.

An interesting exchange between you and the internet encyclopedia Wikipedia may shed some light on your past relationship with Obote's forces. An article submitted from your computer -same IP on Bazilio Okello purportedly written by a Col. Ntare retired Tanzanian armed forces officer now retired was rejected because it was not impartial. You later sought to retrieve the article as you had no copy and claimed it was written by your father on your computer!

This raises the relevant question about whether all your posturing here is propaganda meant to rewrite history and explains why you always lash out angrily whenever you are challenged on your account or when it is questioned.

It may also mean that Shaka was closer to the truth than he thought he was.

If you are a muganda but your father is a retired Tanzanian Peoples Defence Forces colonel with connections to and personal knowledge of senior Obote II forces, what is your connection to Luweero! Does your or your father's obviously fond remembrance of Bazilio (the article is still in the history archives on Wikipedia) explain your schooling in the north! Where you as you claim just another peasant in Luweero who was caught on the wrong side?

Are you Ugandan, or Tanzanian, a muganda or an Acholi? Be yourself and stop lying about being a muganda from luweero in order to make your account credible!

The many contradictions between this episode and the account you give of Luweero and Uganda's history negate your propaganda and make you lacking in credibility!

Cheers,

DAK

By: Ddembe

No need for the australian slang

Oh Tawney, I am sorry to hear you are so miserable. I hope its not all because of whingeing me! I will ignore the rest of your colourful Australian slang!

Your full article on the Lt. Gen. (the one they rejected but are rude eough to retain all proof for your posterity) can be found in the history archives (if you still want to polish it) at; http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Bazilio_Olara_Okello&oldid=1399841

The reviewers comments were; extracted minimal facts from long, rambling first-person discussion of how wonderful this man was AND Rambling eulogy –not encyclopeadic!

The full text of your exchange with them -the one were you pretend you did not write the original article (which you or your father try to pass off as having been written by a Tanzanian rtd colonel Ntare) but are caught out by technology is below. The links have been attached so that you can verify for yourself! Fancy them even keeping ou emil address!

Lt Gen Bazilio Olara Okello I recently saw a detailed article on Lt Gen Bazilio by a Col Joseph Ntare on your page, could you please kindly forward me this article.

James Tawny [email protected]

Hello James. I assume you wrote the original article about the Lt.General (both you and the author have the same IP address). Your version of the article was removed from the encyclopedia because an editor decided that is wasn't written from a Neutral Point of View (a fundamental policy around here). Incidentally I tend to agree with her. The old version is still available from the archives (click here (http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtmltitle=Lt_Gen_Bazilio_Olara_Okello&oldid=1399841)). You imply the article was written by Col Joseph Ntare and not yourself... if you don't have the copyright on the piece then it may have to be deleted from the archive too (I am not sure about this). See Wikipedia:Copyrights and Wikipedia:NPOV to get the details of these sorts of policy issues. The current version of the article is at Lt Gen Bazilio Olara Okello. Pete 11:53, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC) Pete, I dont know the Lt General, the article was writien by my father using my computer, since it is of no use to you, I have checked your archives but could not find it.Could you please tell me what number it is under or could you simply forward it to me. I would also like to apologise on behalf of my Dad since the aarticle is of no use, accept my sincere apologise.

James [email protected]

Copy of the following sent by e-mail Hi James, I am replying about your message on the Wikipedia Village pump (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump). I have pasted below the version of your article as it was before anyone modified it. This version of the article can be found in the history archives at http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Lt_Gen_Bazilio_Olara_Okello&oldid=1399841

The latest version of the article is at http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lt_Gen_Bazilio_Olara_Okello. I hope that helps.

I can be contacted at http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Angela if you have any more questions.

Angela. [article text sent by e-mail]

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:217.35.96.217"

OR http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:217.35.96.217&diff=0&oldid=1416991

Cheers (AND STOP WHINGEING!)

DAK

By: Ddembe 22nd August, 2004 1:35 AM

I'm sorry. I don't understand what you're asking me or why you are putting this conversation on my talk page nearly a year after it took place. Angela 18:32, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mintguy

Thanks for posting on the RFC page. I find your comments very fair. I am willing to capitulate on some of the older items (especially where no history is available). They were included in the hopes of showing that the admin has not performed particularly well in the recent past. My feeling is that consistent dis-use of admin functions, except during edit wars he is part of, reflects badly on the admin community. Since you did not specifically disagree with some of the comments (3RR, etc.), I am wondering if you actually agree with some points. If so, then I'd welcome your feedback in framing sections of the complaint as such. -- Netoholic (Talk) 23:11, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The only connection, in my mind, with the TV series thing is that his rapid-fire revert of my efforts was the catalyst for me to review his history. I looked back and saw a pattern of settling his disputes by pulling out his admin privileges. By themselves, each incident warrants this sort of discussion. I am new here, so I only have the benefit of reading the most current policies. It seems to me though, from the beginning, that admin policy has shown that they should never use their privilege to settle their editorial disputes with others. Vandals, bots - sure, but not reasonable (if unpopular) edit work. I honestly feel, as a non-admin editor, I am at a great disadvantage. This goes against the dictum : "Sysops are not imbued with any special authority, and are equal to everybody else in terms of editorial responsibility." If its bad timing on my part to post this now, I really don't know when it would be good. I am only asking for a fair re-evaluation of his status as an admin. -- Netoholic (Talk) 01:27, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

In response to some of the comments, I've updated the "Statement of the dispute" section to remove the much older deletion charges. I hope that satisfies most of your "So many of these charges are misleading or wrong" statement on the page. I hope you can now take a moment to revise it, and expand on why you think the others are valid speedy deletions, since they do not seem to fit any guidleline I've read. They may be very logical choices, but without posting for comment, I don't see as how he'd gather consensus. -- Netoholic (Talk) 06:18, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, and for providing me your input. I respect that you can do so calmly, even if you may disagree with my contentions. I think the point of the RFC process is just to present information back and forth and eventually pair down to the important issues. If it turns out that admins should be allowed to enjoy special editing privileges without having to contribute to the community by performing regular maintenance, then I'll withdraw the RFC myself. -- Netoholic (Talk) 22:49, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Redbone fix

Thank you very much for untangling the Redbone problem. From your comment on Talk:Redbone, I gather that Redbone (ethnicity)'s talk page failed to move with the page itself, which I hadn't noticed. (I could swear I had the "Move talk page" box checked. Oh, well.) I've updated all the links to point to "Redbone (ethnicity)" or Redbone (band). — Jeff Q 23:42, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

New icon discussion (for both recent change views)

Hi Angela, I have answered you and the others - the alignment of the enhanced view "columns" with the icon can be adjusted by modifying the code - pls. have a look to Mediawiki_talk:newpageletter, where I placed the relevant excerpt, at the moment unchanged. The original code already has some & nbsp; in it, nobody will likes them, that's for sure. But I like the NEW look and even made some experiments with File:Corr.png replacing the MediaWiki:minoreditletter m, but this is another minor discussion, and I won't come up with this. The patch for the minoreditletter is a simple as for the newpageletter, of course. Nyxos (Talk) 00:14, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Angela, I am note sure, if all WikiPedias runs the same software, but if this is so, we only need to define the (pixel) size for the small icons the same, which could be difficult -- or every language version get two icons, one being only a blank dummy picture of the same size (transparent !) acting as s spacer. This is perhaps not what all (insiders) will like, I admit. Nyxos (Talk) 06:53, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If it's going to affect all Wikipedias, not just en, it might be better to raise this on the wikitech-l mailing list. Angela. 16:35, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

De-admin

Thanks! Maybe I will (hope to) return later. KRS 09:24, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Judgment call

You usually seem like one of the cooler heads around here, so I am seeking your advice. Feel free either to reply on my talk page or to email me. And if you don't want to make a substantive response, could you just drop me a one-sentence note saying so, so that I can try someone else?

Please take a look at the exchange between Wetman and myself at Talk:Mayonnaise. Going by his tone, he seems to think I was way out of line to ask for references in what struck me as a rather historically detailed article. He did ultimately provide a useful reference, which is great. Could you tell me if you think I was out of line, and if so, do you have suggestions to make as to what I should have done differently?

Thanks in advance. -- Jmabel 16:11, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not complaining about his conduct, I was just trying to get an independent assessment of mine. -- Jmabel 16:28, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Redirects are not candidates for speedy deletion

'Reusable software components.' is obviously a typo (there already exists the valid redirect 'Reusable software components'). Whether or not a candidate for speedy deletion, it should be deleted somehow anyway. Could you take care of that? — danakil 17:02, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

I've reverted my edit. I'll let someone else decide that one. Angela 17:11, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Five-a-side

Angela you are entirely right about having to delete pages for page moves for those deletions stated on the RFC page. As for five-a-side; The previous content was - "I think Five-a-side football is what called Futsal, a Fotball/Soccer that play in a small field with six or five player and very populer nowdays. Five-a-side phrase is use to in football but in training mode". This was then redirected to futsal by User:Niteowlneils. Since neither the original description nor the redirect are in any way correct, I decided that deletion would allow someone to write an proper article. If this is abuse of powers then strike me down. Really this whole thing is beyond absurd. Mintguy (T)

Angela, I was also coming to write about this. Is there a way to confirm what the previous content of Five-a-side football (and the other pages I've commmented on) was? Even if what Mintguy says is true, I see that as going against the Deletion_policy, because the redirect had a useful history and did not qualify as a speedy delete. -- Netoholic (Talk) 22:29, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Before the redirect, there was "I think Five-a-side football is what called Futsal, a Fotball/Soccer that play in a small field with six or five player and very populer nowdays. Five-a-side phrase is use to in football but in training mode", as Mintguy says. It was created in one edit by an anon. It was plainly a good faith edit by Mintguy. That you are quibbling over borderline stuff like this shows what a weak case you have against Mintguy, who's only ever done good things for Wikipedia. Why not just give it up before the more unforgiving folk around here start holding it against you? Pcb21| Pete 23:04, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've completely forgotten what I came to this talk page for. :(. Pcb21| Pete 23:04, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Untagged Images

Hi Angela,

I have put a list of the images without cp tags at User:Yann/Untagged Images.

Have a lot of fun with them, there is only 48655 such ones (at 22/08/2004) :-(

-- Looxix 23:56, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Categories for deletion

Hi. Can I ask you to visit Wikipedia_talk:Categories for deletion, in particular the section headed Frustration - deletion without discussion - I still think there's a lot needing to be talked out and some kind of way forward found. At the moment category deletion seems to be controlled as a fiefdom. --Bodnotbod 02:22, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

Image:Crystalball.jpg

What do you think to adjust the color of Image:Crystalball.jpg like this ? Chmouel 17:03, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi, Angela: Thanks for notifying me that I am now officially an admin, though so far I haven't heard any angelic chorus or received any magical powers! :( I will strive to be as judicious, evenhanded, and responsible in my duties as possible. -山道子 (Sewing) - talk 17:16, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism

yo i aint vandalising im just deleting useless info 24.191.172.234

Yeah right. Angela. 01:11, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry

I fear I may have been the one that introduced 24.191.172.234 to Wikipedia. --Sgeo | Talk 01:11, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for being so fast

Hello Angela, thanks for being so fast to activate the "administrator buttons" :-), by the way... nice to meet you. --Javier Carro 11:52, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment

G'day Angela

User:Maveric149 is out of town until Monday, and there are now several sections added to the end of Wikipedia:Requests for comment that are IMO completely out of order there. I've left a message for one of the authors (who asked for comments!) but no reply.

So even knowing you have all sorts of other things to do, you were the next one I thought of.

Suggestions? Andrewa 17:09, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, Michael has fixed it and in a significantly better way than I would have so I'm glad I asked. Andrewa 18:06, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I can't be reached via email right now

My computer has crashed due to a virus. I can't access my email until I get my computer back up again. It may be a few days. I'm accessing wiki through other people's computers. If you have recently sent me an email, or will send me an email in the near future, I have not or will not recieve it. If you need to contact me, you can still reach me on my talk page. Thanks. Kevin Baas | talk 22:33, 2004 Aug 27 (UTC)

Ginger.jpg

Hi Angela. Image:Ginger.jpg seems to be being repeatedly vandalized by someone who can replace images without the fact showing up in the upload history. Do you suppose you could look at it? The original image was of ginger roots. Thanks. WormRunner | Talk 00:21, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

On Cherokee translation

Hi Angela. I hadn't been on CHR for a while, and I THINK it was you who left the note on my talk mage. If so, browse over to my talk page and see a reply. ;-) Etse

Re: Thanks Angela. My, Angela, you seem to be a very cool person. Thank you for your evident and tireless dedication to Wikipedia. Etse

Board meetings

Based on this edit by Anthere, it appears that there was what is effectively an impromptu meeting of the Board of Trustees on IRC, acting in its capacity as a "court of appeal" for disciplinary measures against users. If such a meeting indeed took place (i.e. at least three members of the Board participated), I would like to request that a log of this chat, or at the very least, a summary of the discussion, be posted on the wiki.

I think this is critically important for the sake of transparency and due process. Furthermore, since apparently Guanaco also participated, it basically amounts to having ex parte communication with one of the parties to a dispute outside the presence of other parties. I can see that Anthere tried to contact RickK but he doesn't use IRC, and I can't tell if other potential parties, including Michael himself, were given an opportunity to participate.

I recognize that the bylaws do not require meetings of the Board to be open to the public, and in some situations it may be preferable for the Board to deliberate in private. I also realize that the exigencies of this situation might have prevented advance notice to the community and appropriate parties. Still, in the US judicial system at least, this kind of ex parte communication by a court would be considered a serious ethical breach jeopardizing the fairness of the proceedings. I know this does not necessarily apply to the board of a nonprofit organization, but because the matter involved is effectively judicial in nature, I think the analogy needs to be considered.

Given the emergency at hand, please know that I am not accusing the Board of impropriety in any way, but I believe the situation has created a problem that can only be remedied by full disclosure. This case is a matter of considerable interest to the community at large, and in order to maintain fairness to all parties, I think the only appropriate course is to publish the log. --Michael Snow 00:13, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

We are in the mediation channel (where you can join) and this is rather a mediation meeting than a board meeting Michael. SweetLittleFluffyThing

Danny "left" Wikipedia, and Jimbo wanted to know what happened. It was taken to a separate channel in order to better ignore certain trolls who were making the dissemination of information difficult. The channel was open to all for listening, and no decisions were made. It wasn't a board meeting. anthony (see warning) 00:19, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If it's three board members, it's a quorum under the bylaws, so effectively it is a board meeting. I'm glad that the focus is on mediating the dispute, but it's rather one-sided mediation if only Guanaco is participating. It's not just a question of me wanting to participate (and like RickK, I personally don't use IRC), it's a question of everyone being allowed to present their perspective on the situation, and not having things said about them in a forum where they can't defend themselves or even know what was said about them. --Michael Snow 00:23, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It's only a board meeting if it's declared a board meeting. Merely having three people who are members of a board on the same IRC channel does not make it a board meeting. Jimbo was asking questions, and two other board members happened to be answering them. RickK was invited, you were invited. You both declined. I'm sure Jimbo is still willing to hear your perspective through some other channel, though. anthony (see warning) 00:29, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The place is #mediation.wikipedia. Michael, if by 3 people we have a board meeting, I must say we rather frequently have "board meetings" because Angela and I are very often on irc and Jimbo comes nearly everyday as well. IRC makes it easier to discuss. Only certain people (parties, Jimbo and mediators) can talk, but you can join and listen. So, this is not really a forum either. Rick is more than welcome to come (we would really like that he be there), we regret that he do not. Note that any time, public discussion occur on irc and people not here just do not know what is said about them. SweetLittleFluffyThing

It's neither a board meeting, nor a court. No one is appealing anything. We are just discussing possible solutions and trying to understand the block/unblock war. Decisions are not made on IRC. If anything comes of it, those proposed solutions (not decisions) will be put on the wiki. I am strongly against the idea that policies can be decided on IRC. It was meant to be a quiet discussion between those involved, not something for the whole community to join in with, which is why very few people are voiced in that channel, and why it was not advertised (as well as the fact it was highly impromptu, not something planning in advance). The transparency was provided by allowing those not involved in the discussion to stay in the room. There are regularly three or four board members on #wikipedia. That doesn't make it a board meeting.

The channel is open to read at #mediation.wikipedia. I'll gladly provide a summary when it's over for the sake of those involved who could not be in the channel. Angela. 00:30, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

You've really got the wrong idea completely about what we're doing. We're just chatting. No actions are being decided, and of course RickK will have every opportunity to participate in the discussion. It's not a board meeting everytime Angela, Anthere and I happen to be in the same chat room. Otherwise, we might as well say that we have board meetings every day, off and on.

It's also important to keep conceptually separate my role *within the community* versus my role *on the board* or *as President* of the foundation. Jimbo Wales 00:35, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

May I also remind that Angela and I are members of the MC. Sannse, also on the channel, is part of the MC. ant

Sorry for being imprecise; I wasn't trying to say that it's a board meeting anytime three board members are in the same (virtual) place. But given the situation and the limited information available, it looked very much like the Board acting in an official capacity, as provided for in the bylaws, particularly with respect to Michael's ban and/or the behavior of RickK and Guanaco, all of which is currently up for arbitration. That's definitely what I would call a board meeting. With the assurance that no decisions were made, I'll concede that there may be less reason for concern. The summary promised by Angela would still be appreciated. --Michael Snow 00:47, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'll make a summary but it's 3am here, so not tonight. Angela. 01:54, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

Trouble with user

Hi! Total newbie here, reporting a problem.

A user designated "199.244.214.30" edited the following page yesterday:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Afternoon_on_the_Island_of_La_Grande_Jatte

The picture is gone!

I checked the user's "Talk" page, and there is an admonition from you about suspending editing privileges. Maybe you want to check into this?

Thanks!

--David B. david at greenhammer dot net

IRC Banning

Angela, I've been banned from the #wikipedia IRC channel by Snowspinner, for what he considers "personal attacks" against him.

I don't feel I did make any personal attack, nor am I aware that banning from IRC for "personal attacks" is supported by policy (but with so many policies, perhaps it is and I've missed it). And in any case, I think it contravenes policy for Snowspinner to take action in a dispute to which he is a party to.

In what way do I contest the banning, and Snowspinner's banning for a dispute he is party to?

A log of the conversation leading up to the ban is given at User:Orthogonal/IRC ban by Snowspinner.

Thanks. -- orthogonal 04:55, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You've seen a good chunk of the interactions between orthogonal and I in IRC, so this should be old news for you. The upshot of it is that he changed his username to "Sn0wsinner" and proceded to "parody" my actions on Wikipedia. This was in the context of parodying other users such as Jimbo and Larry, but, as orthogonal has made his feelings about me quite clear, I failed to see the humor in this, and warned him against personal attacks as the IRC log he linked to shows. He pushed the issue and decided to keep trolling me. I removed him from the channel. As a further note, Fennec backed me on it shortly after I did it, noting that he'd wanted to do it himself. Just thought I'd save you a bit of trouble in trying to get the backstory on it if you were inclined to check into it. Snowspinner 06:12, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)