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Legend Heart Records, LLC.

The page history suggests that this is a vanity-article. This "independent record label" has apparently released exactly 2 CDs so far. Alexa has no ranking for their website, reporting only that it is not in the top 100,000. Record labels are generally measured against the standards of WP:CORP since they are the businesses, not the musicians. I can not find evidence that this entity meets any of the recommended inclusion criteria.

Note: After the page was nominated for "prod" deletion, the primary author has begun to make this into an essay against Wikipedia's inclusion standards. This appears to indicate a misunderstanding of Wikipedia's goals and standing as a tertiary source. Rossami (talk) 21:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]



There is NO vanity here, only the truth of the matter!

    • Legend Heart Records, LLC. is a SMALL BUSINESS, which is why it would not be found on any corporate indices; therefore, it should not be compared or measured in this manner.
    • "Tertiary" sources still have an obligation to portray current issues, as they really are.
    • Alexa's web traffic reporting is not accurate, as it currently shows NO traffic for legendheart.com. This is a gross misrepresentation; therefore, Alexa should NOT be used as a "credible source" with which to evaluate notability.

Legendheart


  • Delete - I sympathise with the author and I think WP:MUSIC is slightly (although not massively) flawed in its approach to independent labels. However, an article is not the place to address this and the facts are that the label has issued just 2 albums and, unless both those albums have charted and enjoyed particularly high sales, the label itself cannot assert notability. If Legend Heart is genuinely an advocate for the advancement of equal rights of independent record companies then they will need to provide citation to show that this is a key and noted part of their activities that has been covered in reputable media sources. Ac@osr 21:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]


We're not free publicity??? ARE YOU AN OWNER OF WIKIPEDIA?? NO Publicity Sought! The criterion being applied to music and record companies on Wikipedia, is currently very flawed. The main reason, is because it does not reflect the true state of the music industry. There are, in fact, TWO sides to this industry; major labels and true independents. A record company calling themselves "independent", who is charting on commercial radio; is NOT a true independent record company. Independent record companies, who are unaffiliated with major labels; are being unfairly locked out of the market, therefore UNABLE to chart. This is NOT publicity, nor is it vanity. It is the truth. This encyclopedia should address current issues, as they really are. Legendheart

  • Please sign your comments with four tild marks (~) Ac@osr 21:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I have already stated I do have sympathy with your position but the core of this is that a label, whether independent or affiliated to a major, will, on point of fact, struggle to assert notability having only released 2 albums. The article doesn't even state the artists or titles of the albums in question. Ac@osr 21:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Article was revised to include CD titles
    • Volume of releases has no bearing on the importance of work being done to improve fairness within the music industry.

NOTE: A "tertiary" source still has an obligation to portray current issues, as they really are. Legendheart


  • For the record, as the revised article doesn't include this information, both CDs are by the artist Legend Heart. This is my last comment on this one. Ac@osr 22:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Article was revised to include artist's name.
    • Here is a link to a 2004 news article about Legend Heart Records: "(Businesswire 2004)". Legend Heart: the World's First Self-Discovered Independent Label and Original Rock 'N' Roll Band.Legendheart
  • Comments. Uncyclopedic diatribe about Wikipedia is removed as unrelated to subject of article. Links and assertions of notability must be made in the article itself. Also; the history of recorded music in the United States is full of independent labels that made it big, most notably Atlantic Records, Motown, Elektra, and A&M Records... Some of these labels made it because of a large stable of acts performing on massive US tours. B.Wind 23:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • No Delete. These aforementioned labels are in fact major labels. They were only able to "make it big" AFTER they had affiliated themselves with a major label. The truth is, NO true independent label "makes it" without a major label affiliation. The "history of recorded music in the United States" DOES NOT show independents "making it big" because the industry has been monopolized for decades by the majors.
    • Not diatribe! Knowledge comes with being educated on the reasons why this article should stay in Wikipedia. It had to be explained, and there is no abridged way to do so.

Legendheart

    • True. Anyone who is serious about conducting their business, as a business; will form a proper company structure. Legend Heart Records, LLC is a boniafide LLC registered in the state of Washington. It is a GENUINE business, and independent record company. No sense in marginalizing what is a stated KNOWN FACT.Legendheart

Sufficient to what? Legend Heart Records, LLC. IS an independent record label and a BONAFIDE company registered with the State of Washington; with top rankings in Google for the business in which IT CONDUCTS (MUSIC); ""legend heart" - Google search". "legend heart" - Google search. Retrieved 2006-05-29.. Therefore, Legend Heart Records, LLC. SHOULD be included in Wikipedia's list of independent record labels; because IT IS an independent record label. Legendheart


    • No Delete Sounds like thinly disguised major label sympathizers on here. There have been record companies that started with one artist, since the 50's and 60's. This has no bearing on notability or goals reached. I know many folks, including myself who have followed independent acts, bought their recordings, etc. But when you request them on commercial radio? Forget it. Hey! Certain people are afraid to rub the majors the wrong way, dead wood can't blossom into a flower. Good luck Legend Heart. For what it's worth, not getting on here, is light years from being any kind of big thing lol. Rikrok77

Note: Apparently new users have no right to express their opinion! Rikrok77

  • Comment I see...so...if you are a member who has been on here for awhile, you're telling me that this shouldn't be taken into account? I mean from my experience, members who know each other, and form bonds, groups, cliques, etc., tend to be supportive of each other and their opinions or decisions. And if an opinion differs, there must be something wrong? Hmmm... Rikrok77
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