Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ken Leistner

Ken Leistner

(Originally nominated by FRCP11 as part of a combined nomination with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dinosaur Training. Split into separate discussion by Dsreyn). Dpbsmith (talk) 10:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Well-known within the strength training arena, columnist for several magazines (Hardgainer, Milo, Powerlifting USA and others). c 02:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment. Hardgainer (magazine) and Milo magazine may merit deletion; neither appear notable. I leave this to others. -- FRCP11 03:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Kind of curious on what basis you have determined that these magazines are not notable. They're notable to people in the weight-training community. Dsreyn 03:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~. Article does not evidence that he meets criteria for WP:BIO. Claim of "well-known" not verified; columnist for non-notable magazines does not create notability. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dinosaur Training, where there were a number of other Delete votes. -- FRCP11 03:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changing vote to Weak delete, given earlier lack of consensus for other deletions in this area. There may be a case to be made for Leistner's notability, but the current article doesn't do it in any verifiable way. Google searches show that he's trained some NFL football players.[1] On the other hand, is there ever any such thing as a notable chiropractor? -- FRCP11 21:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Leistner is a chiropracter, but I think the article is fairly clearly emphasizing that his notability is in strength training. fbb_fan 01:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per FRCP11. No obvious book publication; Google Books turns up a handful of mentions, but nothing like Kubik's twenty-page chapter. Nothing presented yet that convinces me that this person meets the standards of WP:BIO#People still living. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. He wrote a chapter for Maximize Your Training (edited by Matt Brzycki; McGraw-Hill, 1999; available from Amazon). Was also a monthly columnist for Powerlifting USA from February, 1979 through November, 2000, has had a column in every issue of Milo since the first (April, 1993), and was a long-time columnist for Hardgainer.

Also, repeating what I posted on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brooks Kubik (second nomination) from Wikipedia:Importance because it seems relevant here also:

An article is "important" enough to be included in Wikipedia if any one of the following is true:

1. There is evidence that a reasonable number of people are, were or might be concurrently interested in the subject (eg. it is at least well-known in a community). fbb_fan 18:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. - Nick C (Review Me!) 17:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Dpbsmith. MCB 22:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Dsreyn. Additionally
- WP::BIO states "This guideline is not Wikipedia policy"
- Agreed, there is not much information on the page right now; the word for that is "stub". I started the page because I read lots of references to Ken Leistner in various places and could not find a food source of information, so decided that starting a stub in Wikipedia would be a good way to cause
- The "no such thing as a famous chiropractor" is a cheap shot. Leistner is not noteworthy because he's a chiropractor, but because of his writing.
- fbb_fan makes an excellent point: Leistner is well known within the community. The fact that he is not well known outside of those in the know is not an argument for deletion - it's an argument for the article existing! Tjic 01:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]