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Number of official languages - inconsistent!!

I noticed several inconsistencies in Wikipedia articles about the number of official languages in India - in most places, it says that India has 18 official languages other than Hindi and English. However, the information table on India in this article (the big table at the right top) mentions the official languages as Hindi+English+13 others, making 15 in all (that number is seriously wrong). The article on Tamil mentions the number of official languages as 22. I am confused - I remember that we had 19 official languages; I also remember that Rajasthani and Hindustani were added to the list, but I am not sure of the exact number now; I tried to look this up on the Internet, but found similar inconsistencies. The CIA Fact book mentions the total number of 16 (Hindi+English+14), but says that Hindustani is not official (I am not sure if this was really made official and the info on the CIA fact book is outdated, or if it is not official).

In any case, we should establish some consistency - it may not be possible to visit all articles where this number is given, but we definitely need get the number right on this article (especially the information table that gives the number as 15 - that is obviously wrong). --ashwatha 02:05, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, Urdu and Hindi are both considered "Hindustani" - Since the term is no longer used, Hindustani isn't counted. WhisperToMe 02:14, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks - but that still doesn't clear the confusion completely; in fact, the article mentions (in the languages section) that the number of official languages is Hindi+English+18, while the table mentions Hindi+English+13. As mentioned above, other Wiki articles vary upto 22. --ashwatha 03:31, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

AFAIK, 22 is the correct number (including English and Hindi). --Rrjanbiah 06:20, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Manorama Year Book 2003 lists 18 "officially recognised languages" and 1652 mother-tongues. The 18 are: Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Kashmiri, Konkani, Malayalam, Manipuri, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, Punjabi, Sanskrit, Sindhi, Tamil, Telugu and Urdu. Hindi is the official language, and English the associate national language. This should settle the debate. [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 19:21, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Probably they might be wrong. Few languages have been added recently. Moreover Hindi as national language and English as _associative_ language info is wrong, AFAIK --Rrjanbiah 04:34, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The two most recently added languages, to my knowledge, were Nepali and Konkani, both represented in the Manorama list above. This looks fine. --LordSuryaofShropshire 05:43, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

I don't think that Manorama will give false information. The last time the official languages were updated were in 1992 and yes, Konkani, Manipuri and Nepali were added. Hindi was designated as the official language during the drafting of the constitution & English as the 'associate language' or the language of the Union for all official purposes. It was to be replaced in 1965 but till date, no scheduled time frame has been declared for its elimination. [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 19:50, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:India/archive_2#Languages_recognized_by_the_Indian_Constitution and this http://www.mid-day.com/news/nation/2003/december/72086.htm http://indiaimage.nic.in/languages.htm

Since Hindi is one of the languages in the Manorama list of 18 languages, shouldn't the info table say that we have Hindi, English (+17 others)? Right now, it says Hindi, English (+ 18 others). A reader would get the impression that we have 18 languages in addition to Hindi and English. It should be 17 - I have made this change. --ashwatha 03:50, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes your right, its my error. I oversaw that. [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 19:51, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps [1] and [2] ? --Rrjanbiah 05:15, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I stand corrected. Your data is more recent than mine. [[User:Nichalp|¶ nichalp | Talk]] 19:51, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

Featured Article

I have nominated this page in the FAC list. [[User:Nichalp|¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | ✉]] 18:49, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)

References

Need some more books as references on the page. Please add two or three famous ones with corresponding ISBN number. [[User:Nichalp|¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | ✉]] 19:58, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

I don't think, it is mandatory. --Rrjanbiah 05:17, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Just curious, what did you refer in Manorama Year Book 2003? IIRC, most of the info are grabbed from CIA site. --Rrjanbiah 05:31, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Used it as a reference in the strict sense. Checked out if the history was accurate, languages in India, races etc. [[User:Nichalp|¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | ✉]] 18:56, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

Voting

Why isn't anyone voting for this page in the FAC? Is this article so bad that it should not be featured? [[User:Nichalp|¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | ✉]] 20:50, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)

Map Issues (again)

I really don't see how the notion that stating the map has an "incorrect depiction of the boundary status" is NPOV. Where did the concept of "correctness" originate? I also don't see why creating unnecessary amounts of white space in the states in territory section is preferable to floating the image left and why not putting see also items in bullet point form is preferable.

The CIA map caption was a big lie. Kashmir#Map_Issues does nothing to adequately decribe the situation. As a matter of style, we shouldn't be linking to the middle of other articles - dont do it! --Jia ng 21:12, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Please do what you can about the whitespace, and float. [[User:Nichalp|¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | ✉]] 20:05, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Yep, Jiang's version is NPOV. WhisperToMe 04:41, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I protected this page. I am tired of this edit war. Let's get this whole thing clarified for good right here right now. -_- WhisperToMe 05:25, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

And again, I side with Jiang's edits. WhisperToMe 05:26, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Jiang's version was fine with me. I also don't see why my compromise version was reverted. But it doesn't look like Rrjanbiah is willing to discuss the issue nor is he willing to accept compromise. Sigh... →Raul654 05:31, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Then shall we place an RFC on him if he refuses to go by what the rest of us say? WhisperToMe 05:38, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have left him a message on his talk page asking him to discuss the matter here. Let's wait to see what he does. →Raul654 05:40, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

This user has also failed to discuss at Kashmir. My position there is that the CIA map is irrelevant and can only be mentioned as an example. Regarding the compromise version, linking to the middle of an article (Kashmir#Map_Issues) is bad form. That section is so short that we can keep whatever information we need contained in the caption or in a footnote at the bottom of the page. --Jia ng 05:46, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'm OK with that. →Raul654 06:25, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Indian's must be sleeping at this time, so you gota wait :-) --Ankur 19:12, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the current version of the "States" image caption will work. In its current form, it will attract a lot of edits and vandalism once the protection is lifted. How about this as a footnote?

The current map does not address the boundary status of Jammu and Kashmir. The present map depicts the region currently administered by India after a United Nations ceasefire froze Indian and Pakistani held territory in 1948. A subsequent border dispute between India and China are are also unresolved in the eastern part of Kashmir.

[[User:Nichalp|¶ ɳȉčḩåḽṗ | ✉]] 20:16, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

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