Talk:Emoticon

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emoticon definitions

as anyone woh uses emoticons would know, that the actual meaning of an emoticon is far more complex than just a couple words. For example, the definition of XD is not a childish laugh though at times it can be used. It's predominanetly used after certain statements that are somewhat selfmocking ish, for example, "no, I havn't started my homework yet XD" (when it's 11 pm of course).

I think it's impossible to actually define the exact meaning of each emoticon without dedicating a seperate wiki for each emoticon (which should be done :D) though for now, I added a quick comment that the definition of each emote is not absolute, rather a very basic guideline.

~Everyone has a slightly different definition of what it means, and a lot of it is based on context. Going by your example of "XD", I often use it in a sarcastic manner, like "Man, I was such a n00b yesterday XD" and other times simply to replace "lol" or similar. So yes, separate wikis for each emoticon would be good to discuss nuances, basic definitions are fine and should be taken with a grain of salt. Keakealani 03:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

¬_¬

This is listed under anime smileys when it totally isn't. It's a common smiley for the British as it's on the keyboard with a simple shift. I have never seen an anime in my life and I've used it as long as I've been on IRC. In other things would @>-'-,-- be considered a "smiley"? It's a rose and used a fair bit but it isn't really a face?

It's anime-style because it's read vertically, and it's commonly used by people in those sort of circles. I use anime-style emoticons sometimes, and I don't watch anime. It's just a term. — mæstro ^t/c, 04:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flags

Shouldn't the flags be delimited by | instead of )? 203.218.88.47 09:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate page

The Smiley is a duplicate page, so I've put up a mergefrom. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:32, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

:-3

I don't know where you would put something like :-3 and explain that... -- AllyUnion (talk)

What does it mean and how common is it? I can't remember seeing it used myself... --Joy [shallot]

I've seen it most commonly around anime fans. It's suppose to indicate an anime wolfish smile. -- AllyUnion (talk) 10:24, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I would argue that it's more cattish than wolfish, actually. --Psyk0 12:19, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I would argue that it's really too obscure for this article... -Aranel ("Sarah") 01:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't help but to comment out JarlaxleArtemis's comment. Bleh X-| --Ihope127 01:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's rather obscure, but it's still not quite anime. It's bassically just a cat smile, the actual meaning is much too esoteric to put in words XD. Just pick a darn category and throw it in. Oh, by the way, :3 is also common too.

I've used that emote (or the variant ":3" or "=3") as a "nodding emoticon" where the 3 represents the chin of the person.

artificial creation

Interesting. I saw the "Communications Breakthrough" link, and I'm quite surprised that these things were artificially created. I always thought someone just started using them one day, and then they spread like wildfire.

List of emoticons

what about the creation of a List_of_emoticons page? Ebricca 04:00, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

wiktionary:Smiley is probably more appropriate for those. --Menchi 04:03, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Kirby emoticons

Some explanation of the "Kirby" emoticons is required. I don't think I've ever seen them before - is this just somebody's simplistic ASCII art?

Kirby is a videogame involving a pink round ball creature that can eat the enemies and gain powers from them. Clicking on the link will reveal both info on the game, and something that that weird bot that adds town names probably added. Dont worry, I'll disambiguate the page and fix the links.

I wonder that the name of "Kirby emoticons" is in popular use. Should the emoticons be categorized into a special group?

I've certainly never seen "Kirby emoticons" (the term or the emoticons themselves) before...they're kind of cute, but further examples are hardly needed, and are they really encyclopedic? Aranel 16:03, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC) Kirby emoticons are used all the time on Gamefaqs Random insanity board. - ChRiS

Instead of just complaining, I did it. I got rid of the Kirby emoticons and the extraneous obscure examples while I was at it. (They are cute - put them on an emoticon site somewhere.) If anybody really disagrees with me, you can dig it out of the history. --Aranel 02:36, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've seen Kirby emoticons used every once in a while, I'm far too lazy to actually put them back, but I think they should be there, as they are not totally in disuse. --LupusCanis 14:28, 5 Sep 2005 (GMT)

Kirby emoticon <(^o^)> 81.107.72.190 16:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Clam emoticons and <expressions>

What about 'clam' smileys like (:) (;) (8) or maybe bigger ones like (:D) (:p) (8o) ? -- Kimiko 10:12, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

And related things, like <g>, <eg>, <vbg>. They're not face-like, but they are used to convey emotional meaning in email. -- Kimiko 14:44, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think those things might be in the wiktionary:Internet slang entry.

Well, I see them all the time in Starcraft channels - Unregistered User, 6/8/05

I've seen kirby emoticons sometimes. They show up on irc (and bash.org) sometimes

Text and graphic emoticons

Is there some technical distinction between text emoticons and graphic emoticons? Most of the time, nowadays, when someone says emoticons there are talking about cute little images, not the (older) text versions. Does anyone have any info on when this originated? As is, with no explanation, it's a glaring omission. (Also, do real Japanese people actually use those emoticons? I've always seen them used almost exclusively by Anime fans, but, since I don't read Japanese, it's hard to check...) Aranel 16:03, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The Japanese do. At least their gamers do. Go ask anyone who plays Final Fantasy XI. I've also encountered one or two Japanese "blog" sites. However, I haven't figured out what the heck is 'vvvv' in their blogs. - Allyunion 10:26, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that "emoticons" is now mostly used for the graphical versions, although they certainly are more common. My experience, particularly of message boards, suggests that a lot of people still use the text ones by choice. Also, some popular systems such as ezboard only have a very limited range of availible images, and many use combinations that aren't availble as images.

Not only that, I haven't seen anything at all, be it message board, IM system, IRC client, etc, that will offer images for the horizontal ^^ style ones, despite their becoming increasingly common in use. --MockTurtle 21:32, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Okay, but whether it is "mostly" used for graphical emoticons or not, it's still a very common use today. And this article doesn't even go into them briefly. There are whole websites devoted to graphical emoticons. Most of the message board services (including ezboard) do offer customizable graphical emoticons in great variety, although I think the technology in many cases prevents the use some of the more esoteric ones as convertable graphic emoticons. (Usually a custom emoticon has to start with ":" or similar in order to be recognized by the system.) But the introduction of systems where you just click the image and it will appear in your post makes the text codes themselves less important. -- Aranel ("Sarah") 23:30, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

They aren't japanese or anime-related only, in some international keyboard layouts writing ^_^ is far quicker than writing :-) or :). For the same reason, I sometimes use this smiley =^) but I don't think it's common enough to be mentioned.

I'd like to draw attention to this question again. It really isn't right that this article does not discuss graphical emoticons. Any comments, ideas, suggestions? Aranel ("Sarah") 19:51, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I edited the article somewhat superficially (i.e. without any major restructuring) to correct the situation. There should probably be examples of image emoticons, but I don't know where one would get some that are truly, safely public domain. (They have mostly all been passed around so much that no matter what the site says, it's hard to believe that they really know what the copyright status is.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 20:38, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

IMAO the graphic emoticons have corrupted the whole idea of emoticons. Never mind that they're becoming larger and larger (it's not uncommon to see a graphic emoticon the size of four or five rows of text), but what really gets my goat is that they've lost the point of emoticons. What emotion is a yellow face riding a bicycle, dancing ballet or looking like a Borg supposed to convey? I think the creators of these graphics have never heard of emoticon history, and merely wanted to draw cool graphics. — JIP | Talk 07:47, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Types of smiley

Am I the only one who uses smileys with big fat noses? :o)

zoney ███ talk 23:39, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Put it under "variants". While you're editing, maybe get rid of some of the more obscure "Detailed emoticons", seeing as the rose is the only one there that's really widespread. A few examples are worthy of inclusion, but do we need a whole gallery? --Aranel 02:09, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I got rid of the business about "generations" of emoticons because I'm not sure what the point was - does anyone really use such terminology? Chronology has already been established. --Aranel 02:36, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree, that paragraph wasn't particularly useful. --Joy [shallot]

I'm not sure about the so-called "Head and hands emoticons" (although I have never seen them...), so I decided somewhat arbitrarily to leave those ones in. I'd like to take them out. Again, they're cute, but... --Aranel 02:36, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I have added head and hands because I've seen them used on IRC and on ICQ by various people (and I don't mean carefree 13-year-old kids by that), and they also nicely illustrate that Western emoticons aren't all horizontal. --Joy [shallot] 12:50, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No, not at all, the smiley with the o (or even with the O) as the nose is fairly common, certainly more than some others already listed. I added it now. The basic smileys list was composed fairly ad hoc, it seems. --Joy [shallot] 12:44, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

You can get a different kind of nose if you use the ¬ character (whatever that is - it's underneath the Esc key anyway) :¬) Adambisset 17:41, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

SMS emoticons

I have noticed people replacing traditional emoticons in SMS messages with single-character representations such as ü Ü ö Ö, presumably to save space in the message. Would someone care to make mention of this in the article? porge 03:31, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've just noticed ...

That "Arab Letter Teh With Ring" is a perfect pre-formed emoticon: ټ Excellent ;) porge 10:52, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

That's a nice discovery. In SMS-speak, a similar, but simpler idea is already in use: The German letter "U umlaut", Ü, is a one-character emoticon (well, if you're not German, Estonian or Hungarian, anyway). — JIP | Talk 07:49, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:'-(

I was very sad when someone removed the ( | ) emoticon ("mooning"). I think it's legitimate; I added it to the article but I didn't make it up. I thought it an example of an alternate part of the human anatomy used as an emoticon... or did that just open the door for all kinds of anatomical emoticons we just don't want to get into? Fishal 20:30, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry—it struck me as rather obscure. The goal here is to list really, really common emoticons, as well as representatives of some of the creativity that is possible. The lists were already too long, and as far as I am concerned, they are still too long. I only left the <>< one in place because it's mentioned in the Ichthys article. (But hey, if someone else felt like removing it, I would not complain. The rose and the heart are the really common ones of that lot.)

But now that you mention it, yes, I agree with the notion that we really don't want to get people thinking about other possible anatomical possibilities. ;) [[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 21:14, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hug

I used to use () for a hug, (()) for a big hug, ((())) for a bigger hug, etc, but I wouldn't want to claim that I 'invented' it. Does anyone else send email hugs? Adambisset 17:43, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I recall something like that, though I haven't encountered it in recent years. It might be worth mentioning in some text under "other". (Also perhaps the head/hands ones could be moved down there?) The () hug is not really a proper emoticon, but it's related.

I'm not about this one (but I left it in): =|:-)=

I've seen it before, but is it that common? (Before today I was not aware that it was supposed to indicate honesty. Do people know that this is what is supposed to mean?) [[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 19:04, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

To be honest (ha ha) I only know about it because I remember seeing it in a list of emotes back in the 90s. I think it's quite 'cute' (even tho it would be meaningless outside the States). Adambisset 11:54, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I thought the original form of that was [] [[]] [[[]]] etc. DopefishJustin (・∀・) 15:17, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Not sure how relevant this is but in christmas cards etc. I always drew O to represent a hug; hence XOXOXOXO would be hugs and kisses. I've always known it to be this way. Maybe it's just something unique to my family? --Psyk0 12:24, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks to MSN Messenger, I always use ({) and (}) to represent hugs... Jevon 12:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

what's this

o/ Waving with the left arm (person is facing you)
\o Waving with the right arm (person is facing you)

is wikipedia really the right place for such stuff?

No. I edited the first to say 'waving' and removed the other. I didn't find the edit where these were added, so I'm a bit unsure what was there before, but that can be fixed later, I guess. --Spug 07:37, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

IMHO, and in the opinion of a lot of people, emoticons are only of any use to (a) children, (b) semi-literates, or (c) people with no sense of irony who can't identify a joke without help. I wouldn't mention this if it wasn't a fairly commonly held view among educated people (although others would perhaps express it differently) - so it probably merits inclusion in the article. Palefire 02:49, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

Emoticons are used to communicate emotions and are used by everyone, from the uneducated and dim-witted to the most intelligent. Emoticons are a casual way of showing how you feel during a convseration, to say they are only used by children or iliterate people is just plain snobbish.

Elitism does not define the correct usage of language. Besides, the internet is full of people who fulfill one or more categories and are extremely argumentative! Trust me, one smiley does not mean your Nabakov reference is lost here :) 213.86.59.92 13:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Character Emoticons

Shouldn't there be a section for emoticons made with certain uncommon characters, such as :Þ, :Δ, :ζ, ... ? тəzєті

East Asian crying

I've been playing online games on servers with shared Japanese populations since 1997, and I've never encountered ;_; for crying, but I saw TT all the time. I think that might be their choice on sans-serif fonts, as it indicates the eyes closed with tears running out of them.

I've seen ;_; used by native Korean speakers on Korean-based games before. --Psyk0 12:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

SPAM

we have spam on the external links section... like "First and Huge emoticon collection"

SMILE

RTL Languages

RTL (Right To Left) languages like Arabic use RTL order
example:

بسمة :-)
حزن :-(
أهلاُ محمد كيف حالك؟ سعيد :) أم حزين :( ؟!

Note that the writing order is the same for example:

:)

is writen : first then ) but because the write direcation is RTL it will look like (:

if write the first example without using <div dir=rtl> it will look like

بسمة :-)
حزن :-(
أهلاُ محمد كيف حالك؟ سعيد :) أم حزين :( ؟!

note how it look like in the middel of RTL text

Is ^_^ an anime smiley?

I've seen ^_^ used in anime otaku circles. I wonder if this should be considered an emoticon. — Rickyrab | Talk 30 June 2005 03:03 (UTC) and :)

Yes, that's definitely an anime emoticon. ‡ Jarlaxle June 30, 2005 03:04 (UTC)

Can't see white frowning face (U+2639)

Hey, I can't see the white frowning face (U+2639). I can see both the white and black smiling faces just fine. I am using Windows XP Pro with Internet Explorer 6. When I log on remotely to a Unix machine with Mozilla, I can see the frowning face. I'm guessing this is an issue due to not downloading unnecessary characters. (I can't see any Japanese or Chinese characters, but I'd rather have the 5MB of extra spce on my HDD. 8^) ) I wonder if anyone else with IE has this problem? -Hyad 05:07, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... according to Character Map, it doesn't exist. *does his magic* ☹! Internet Explorer's likely the problem. Trash it and go Firefox. --Ihope127 01:37, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy metal emoticon

(\m/) ^_^ (\m/)

Now this is a vivid one!

list versus table

Currently emoticons are in a list, and each emoticon is separated by its description with "........", and the descriptions are made to line up in a column. However, alignment of descriptions can be a chore and it can potentially differ depending on OS, browser, and font. So how about using a table instead? Here's an example:

^^	very happy
m(_ _)m	bowing
(`ヘ´)	annoyed
（´・ω・｀）	deflated
（ ´Д｀）	nonplussed, or panting
（　ﾟДﾟ）	semi-angry
┐('～`；)┌	don't know the answer
（´∀｀）	carefree
< ｀∀´>	stereotypical Korean character
（　´_ゝ`）;	snob
Σ(゜д゜;)	dumfounded
(*´Д`)	become sexually excited

Internet slang emoticon migration

The following is a list of emoticons removed from the Internet slang article. Please migrate these to the Emoticon article as appropriate. —RaD Man (talk) 20:24, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Internet slang emoticons

Commonly-used emoticons include:

:) — Used to express happiness or content
:( — Used to express sadness or discontent
:O — Used to express surprise or a sarcastic display of surprise
:/ — Used to express indifference
:o) — Used to express forum users' ignorance and vanity
:D — Used to express strong happiness or joy
>:( — Used to express strong anger or discontent
>:D — Used to express malicious joy
>:) — Used to express malicious contentment
:| — Used to express a "blank face" i.e. emotionless face or stare
-__- — disgusted, annoyed, etc.
-.- — disappointment, frustration, etc.
^o^ — laughing, cheerful, joyous, similar to ^^
^^__^^ — Angel
(^_^) — Happy face
[*_*] — Scared, in awe
><)))*> — something appears fishy
=^__^= — Cat face, blushing
-^__^- — Blushing
^__^' — Embarassed, "Sweatdrop", common among anime fans
^__^; — Embarassed, "Sweatdrop" common among anime fans
nn\\//o {|^.^|} o\\//nn — Headphone listening (peaceful)
\nn/ {|^.^|} \nn/ — Headphone listening (intensively)
^///^ — Another form of blushing
=_= — tired, with bags under eyes
<^__^;> — symbol for embarrassment commonly used by anime fans
_|_ — an offensive emoticon signifying the middle finger
_W_ — "Whatever", "I do not care"- often used with...
_M_ — "Minger".
‹^› — another form of the middle finger
nn ^_^ nn — classic double finger
..i.. — yet another form of the middle finger (often seen in pairs)
..!., — another form of the now infamous middle finger
t('-'t) — Flipping off with both hands (the "double deuce").
<3 — "love"; ASCII art for a heart, the less-than symbol and the three resemble a heart tilted on its side.
</3 — "hate"; ASCII art for a broken heart, similar to <3.
== — agreement; from the C equality operator; means "me too" or "what he said"
!= — disagreement; from the C inequality operator; means "is not (necessarily) the same as" Sometimes also written as =/= as in mathematical notation.
++ — Used after the manner of the C operator to indicate something "one greater" than itself, for example: "Awesome++"; also used similarly to the "doubleplus" prefix in Newspeak.
-- — Opposite of ++, indicating something "one less" than itself.
@ — "at". Some users go so far as to replace all "at" sounds in words with @, so "that" becomes "th@" and "cat" becomes "c@", for example. This occurs relatively rarely.
* (asterisk) — applied around a word or phrase to indicate emphasis or italics, or just typing in bold face. Singly, in chat, in front of a word or phrase at the beginning of a line means a correction to one's own previous typo. It recently started being used for an action. E.G *Jumps up and down*
_ (underscore) — similar to asterisk, but means underlining of a word or phrase. For example, "Do you _really_ think that?"
/ (forward slash) — indicates italicized text, similar to the underscore for underlined text
-0_o- — an emotion expressing confusion, shock, drunkenness or a "high" state
0.o — an emoticon expressing confusion or shock, signifying the user saying "WHAT!?!?"; also designating a drunken or high state
d(-_-)b — a face with headphones on that indicates listening or chilling out to music
Ô_ô — an emotion expressing confusion, shock, drunkenness or a "high" state
9_9 — rolling eyes, used to express annoyance
XD — Laughing, Crossed Eyes
XP — Sticking Tongue Out while Laughing, crossed eyes
:O — "Oh" Emoticon
:O~ or *_* — Drooling/Admiring, foaming from the mouth. Commonly used when admiring something.
\o/ or \^o^/ — the 'yayman'. One can replace "o" with a happy emoticon graphic; and/or the "hand" with 'b' for a thumbs-up.
/o\ — more or less the opposite of the yayman, here the figure puts his hands on his head: 'Oh no!'
!!!111!!!11!!!11One — making fun of a noob, who may type this way.
!?!? or ?!?! or !? or ?! — showing surprise and confusion; can also represent anger or speachlessness depending on context.
ajkaf;lsdjfjdskl;afj (any random string of lowercase characters, usually from the keys in home position on the keyboard) — hysterical laughter or retardedness (implied of the recipient, or "I've jsut done something stupid)
(Y) — female genitalia
(.)(.)— breasts. One can replace the central ")(" with "Y" and/or represent nipples with "o" (large) or "*" (augmented).
8==D; — male genitalia
{}==[]:::::::::::::::> — sword
>>--------> — arrow
\m/ (>.<) \m/ — somone
(_(_) or (_)_) — "mooning" someone
(_!_) — Nice Ass
`(]:{o — a French person (hence mustache) with a beret (optional)
<<^^>>vv — an eye roll.
E] - :-) =— expired
o_O or O_o — a confused look, the one larger eye represents a raised eyebrow.
o_o — an amazed look, usually exclaiming "wow", but not necessarily specifying an opinion on the subject
-.^ — A wink or an annoyed eyebrow.
+<|:-) — The Pope

<3 "invented by Rory Carson"?

I've removed the information about some chap called Rory Carson inventing the <3 symbol in 2002: it seems a little dubious to me, and I can't find any information about this amazing discovery anywhere else. Is there a reliable source for this datum? αγδεε (ε τ c) 20:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No. I used (and saw used) <3 before then, and that is invalidated by information in the article. --BDD 13:31, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps...the chap is from another planet and it was something like...you know, reinvented the wheel...:-)--JohanL 18:44, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Quick edit

The East Asian Style section really needs to refer to the Shift-JIS_art wiki article. Made minor revision to that effect.

Posture emoticons

Why are the examples of “posture emoticons” exclusively of masturbation? —Frungi (not logged in) 24.51.217.233 04:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Complex examples

Something seems to have deleted most of these. MrVacBob 02:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

colonless smileys

A few people turn the smiley around, a "left handed" smiley (: This left-handed smiley can sometimes cause miscommunication though, since some hardcore net addicts tend to drop the : representing the eyes [leaving ) instead of :) ] so what was intended to be a smile could be interpreted as a frown.

Is this actually true? I have never seen this. I know people do left-handed smiley's, but do people ever leave out the ':' character? Gerrit ^CUTEDH 20:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

History of :|

I think this section is really unnecessary. It's rather uninformative and, to me (an internet junkie), it seems dubious, non-notable at best. Thoughts? -- Hinotori 10:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and removed it, but I added a "sarcasm" usage to the :-| emoticon in the table. I think that should work fine.

-- Hinotori 15:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Major error

The Lili reference was actually talking about the smiley, not about emoticons. This part of the Emoticon article has been referenced many times by outside sites and incorrectly made people think that the emoticon was around before computers. Another reason why Wikipedia, even if it were fully referenced, is still fallible. Ashibaka tock 03:36, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding my changes

First of all, Anime style emoticons are used in many, many places, not just "anime forums." So I made a note of that.

Secondly, many anime style emoticons are often called "Kirbies," not just <(^_^)>. So I made that a note in the introductory section as well. (And it is notable as there are many people who refer to them as "Kirbies").

Thirdly, there was some inconsistency in the way the emoticons were presented so I changed them all to using parentheses and underscores when applicable and made a note in the intro that braces (for the outline) and periods and hyphens (for the mouth/nose) could be used as well.

Fourth, I moved some complex and basic emoticons back and forth. There were a few that weren't where they should have been.

Fifth, I moved the "Basic Examples" text to the "Anime Style" intro because it applies to both sections.

-- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 15:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

tt or t.t

I am curious what tt really means cos i have seen it a lot in chat in battle.net (server for the popular pc game warcraft3 - amongst other) i did a search but don't seem to find an answer that pleases me.. is it an emoticon for crying, or does it stand for "top this"? i have seen it also as t.t, so i guess it is an emoticon..? discuss.

It sands for crying, you can also write it like T_T, ╥﹏╥, ㄒoㄒ. You can add the Chinese character 凸, thus it becomes 凸ㄒoㄒ凸.

Suggest all this be moved to ASCII art

Deleted material reproduced here as a matter of record: (click edit to see it; I made the section into a comment so as not to clutter the talk page)

I believe all of the above should be moved to the ASCII art page as they are not technically emoticons. Emoticons are defined as "keyed characters used to indicate an emotion," so in actuality, we're really pushing the envelope with a lot of the "emoticons" that only feature an activity. I'm drawing a line here at the ones which don't even feature a person, but rather an object. I hope this doesn't cause too much trouble. Please discuss here before putting them back in right away. Cheers. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 05:32, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese emoticons.

Most Chinese prefer to use graph emoticons now, and lots of them are really funny. I really want to show you some of them, I just don't know how can you tell me. In the past and now in some signatures or nicknames used in instant messengers, they use some symbol emoticons similar to the Japanese ones, some of the may even contain Chinese characters. eg, 凸^_^凸, >_<, ¯^¯, ˇ︿ˇ,‧_‧?, ☆＿☆, ﹁﹁, ⊙o⊙...

Smiley on wiki

Can you actually use smileies here?

Unless the occasion calls for it [Talk pages seem OK], it's not advisable. Too unprofessional. Haoie 02:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tpvgames ad

User:Tpvgames (contribs) keeps reinserting the link to his own website at tpvgames.co.uk. This site is not particularly notable, and the link is clearly intended solely for advertisement. The fact that the user has ONLY editted emoticon related articles and has less than 25 edits overall suggest strongly that he has a specific agenda (not to mention the fact that his user name is the same name as his website). Wikipedia is not a soapbox. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 18:51, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

tpvgams ads :S

i am not advertising, i am merly offering more content and some emoticon creators which fit this page. I will remove the link to my site (i put it there to prove i was giving copyright) and also i will keep adding my page, it shoudl be there :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tpvgames (talk • contribs) .

Unfortunately, the emoticon creator (singular) that you're putting in is not notable (Google gives it a Pagerank of 0/10). It's a program made by one person (you), and distributed to a minor population. I will grant that the concept may catch on and it may become notable in the future, but as of now, I don't think it deserves its own section. Even if it were notable, the language that you're using to describe it is far too positive and does not reflect a neutral point of view. For example, saying that it is the "future of emoticons" (see Wikipedia is not a crystal ball), addressing the reader with "very own," and including only one emoticon creator application (your own), when the website is not particularly notable, all make the section about your website seem very much like an advertisement.

This is especially problematic when more notable generators like that used for MSN emoticons here (higher Pagerank) are not included. To be fair, we'd have to include all of them when frankly, none of them seem particularly notable to me to begin with (although I'm not saying I'm the only judge; if other users feel differently, feel free to weigh in).

I did however reinclude your examples in the graphic emoticons section as I feel they do help illustrate what graphic emoticons look like. Thank you for allowing Wikipedia to use them. I had to remove your signature though, as signatures don't belong in the article itself.

Please don't take these edits personally; I have no animosity towards you or your site; I'm merely trying to work towards a neutral, concise, informative article. Cheers. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 19:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong again, the program is made by more than just me.. there are over 20 registrations per day to the program (without wiki) and alot of users say how good it is.

and on emoticon page wouldnt you want to include emoticon generators and creation software which is free to the public? i believe it makes sence and also fits into the page. However i will compromise, i will like to the emoticon creators page in wiki inside the "see also" category. Hope thats ok!

--Tpvgames 15:15, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how the fact that it's made by more than one person rebuts my point either way. It's not notable. Twenty registrations per day are far less than many, many programs, both free and not free, get that aren't mentioned on Wikipedia at all. This is apparent from the fact that your article, "Emoticon Creators" (which theoretically would cover more than your program alone) was unanimously (minus yourself) voted to be deleted at its AfD. This doesn't say anything about its quality. Notability and quality aren't the same (see WP:Notability). I'm sure many users do in fact enjoy the program, and kudos to you for that, but it's not well-known enough yet for a Wikipedia article. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 13:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My last edit

I'll just number the reasons for my edits.

I took out ":D" and "D:" because it says in the paragraph before the examples that all of them can have their hyphen omitted.
I changed "childish laugh" back to "laughing so hard the eyes are closed" because, after seeing this emoticon dozens of times, I've always seen the latter usage more than the first. (If anyone disagrees, let's discuss it here.)
"Handicons" need some kind of citation. A Google search for "handicons" or even "hand-icons" revealed zero relevant results that I could see. That's odd especially since handicons would be a web-based phenomenon if they do exist. I've seen one or two a couple times, so I left the section in there, but we really need something to back up their existence, or I might take them back out. I also structured them in a table like the other examples for the time being.
Sigh. I removed the Emoticon Grammar section because it's not notable. (I'm seeing a pattern here.) Both websites referenced are simply not very important or authoritative. (The first is a link to what looks like a non-notable musician's blog, and the second is another link to tpvgames's website.) Tpvgames, I really encourage you to read WP:Notability, since you've been repeating the same faux pas multiple times.

Hope everyone's ok with these changes. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 13:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that someone changed "laughing so hard the eyes are closed" back to "childish laugh." Why? I have never seen it used in that way. I won't change it back for now, but if I don't see a reason here in some time, I will go ahead. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 03:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"chlidish laugh" stands for smiley that kids use to express laugh. 88.154.5.22 09:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not happy!

Im a bit disappointed the Emoticon Grammer documents were notable. And it isnt like tpgames site is making any money on putting a link on here, he dont even have any ads!! I will be putting them back on, and i will continue to do so

You haven't given me any reason to believe that either website is notable. I didn't say the two sites were ads. I said they were not authoritative or well-known, which as far as I can see, is completely true. I won't revert it again for now, but if you don't give me a solid reason to keep them, I will file a WP:RfC regarding the article to get some outside opinions. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 03:37, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Emoticon Dictionary.

It will be funny if an emoticon dictionary is set up. PS: I made up some funny graphic emoticons, better than the emoticons you used in msn or aim...

Regarding hyphen noses

Simply adding a hyphen to an emoticon can still change the meaning. Take for example, the classic colon-d emoticon:

:D

Now if you add a hyphen to this, you get

:-D

Adding a hyphen can totally change the emoticon's mood. Where the former has a more primitive mood of joy, nothing else, the latter shows a more civilized grin. I propose the emoticons list have all hyphens removed with this note.

For what is so called 'East asian Emoticon'

in korea, we don't use Emoticon that kind of.. rather, another system using. so, It should be changed and amended. the next is example of korean Emoticon. - Ellif 01:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

^^;
ㅠ.ㅠ or ㅜ.ㅜ
@)))))))))))) Gimbap
OTL Dispair
m==(^^)==m Superman

p.s This page also remains of many 'korean emoticons'. It haves a kinds of western or japanese. but It have different things also! p.s.2 this page also~!

These are basically East Asian Style, have no idea why you said they are not. -- G.S.K.Lee 15:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

:-0

Couldn't this also be a friendly smile?

Different 1979 Version

This past weekend I picked up the MAD Magazine board game from a thrift store. It has a 1979 copyright, and uses a :) smiley on the board. Another bit to work in? --Elijah 02:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here a quick picture: [1] --Elijah 02:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Though it has a 1979 copyright, it could have been printed later, though. Have you checked? --Gennaro Prota ^(talk) 02:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That along with the Lili ad discussed on the smiley page make me think the inclusion of the 1981 Scott Fahlman suggestion to be very marginal in the development on the emoticon. The origins probably need to rewritten.

Eyebrows in smilies

I may have missed it when I was looking through the list, but something that I do with emoticons is to use a semicolon to show a raised eyebrow, such as:
:-) ----> ;:-)
:-\ ----> ;:-\
This, IMO, gives an added depth to the emotion expressed. I haven't seen anyone use this aside from myself, and was curious to see if anyone else that contributes to this article does the same thing or has seen it used before. Willbyr 14:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

I've read the peer-review page, and I agree to an extent. However:

The etymology section at the top is a mess. I know it's hard to trace this kind of thing, but it's better not to say anything about the etymology than to have such a confused section.
The split between vertical and horizontal smileys is not properly done.
There is no mention of the term "bixies" and the influence of Byte Information eXchange on emoticon development.
The style is disjointed and chaotic.

This article needs a firm hand, and I don't currently have time for the project. --Slashme 08:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some bixie links for the curious

LoL

°u°

\

"plzz add meee :) .__."

--nlitement ^[talk] 16:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

inhunt.com

Can we block this Ip? This bot? only ads a link to the site inhunt ... only unrelevant content ... spam ...

Why this bot (83.130.233.122 (BOT 1723)) is now adding my site (planet smilies net) to this site???

Now this IP (83.130.238.95) is using my name, please delete it.

Someone made a request at the Wikipedia: Abuse reports page to deal with this, although it was in poor and incorrect form. I took a look at the spamming that has taken place here and on the Smiley article, and decided to make a proper abuse report, seen here. In my little investigation, I saw that this spamming was taking place from multiple IPs, which were registered to many places. Also, some of these IPs appeared to be making worthy contributions. I don't really have a clue if this is a bot or not, or what it exactly is doing to achieve this high rate of spamming. This is because i lack any advanced knowledge in the area of computers of internet. So if someone a little more knowledgable could take a look at this, and add a better sypnosis to my abuse report, that would be greatly appreciated by all. --Reaper X 19:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, DavidHOzAu suggested that we get our good bot friend Tawkerbot2 involved, and ask to have inhunt.com added to it's spam blacklist. I did that, and Tawker did so. So hopefully they are gone for good! --Reaper X 02:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Graphical?

No one there... _→AzaToth 22:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some more smilies!

Is this supposed to be a list of all smilies? what about @_@?