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Archive 1 (discussion upto April 2003) Topics: FAQ, International Wikipedias, Wikipedia on CDROM, Wikipedia should be in the article namespace (discussion in March 2002), Script for automatically linking dates, Searching problem, Pornographic images...
Archive 2 (June-August 2003) Topics: Why have articles about movies and tv shows?, Can we describe Wikipedia with a neutral point of view?, Why new software?, Stallman, Unnecessary and harmful deletions? (August 2003), Hardware, Major figures in history of encyclopedias not included.
Archive 3 (October 2003-March 2004) Topics: Will you include "Photography" , perhaps in Arts and Culture?, Internet-Encyclopedia, Comparison graph, Is Wikipedia really a "free content" encyclopedia?, VfD header, new subject, Which Razi?, Excited about Wikipedia but will it last?, hi really nice website^^, First paragraph
Talk:Wikipedia/Heirarchical Linking System proposal (made in March 2004)

You seriously need to update this to talk about how wikipedia actually works. things like administrators, deletions, etc.

You can find that info over at Wikipedia:Community Portal (linked from the first paragraph of the main page). Dori | Talk 23:45, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)

Criticism

See consumerium for User:142's criticisms.

Why do all the links to Wikipedia bring me to an edit box instead of the article?

Acegikmo1 20:29, Jun 20, 2004 (UTC)

Ooh, that's odd. Ah, a quick trivial edit saved the day; now what on Earth is it that triggers that bug, I wonder... - IMSoP 01:45, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Ack! The links are back in the red. What's causing this?
Acegikmo1 01:33, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)

Free content: all or much?

I see Anthony DiPierro changed "Wikipedia text is free content..." to "Much of Wikipedia is free content...", but I can't think of any bits that aren't - which were you thinking of, Anthony? - IMSoP 13:18, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

He's thinking of fair use images and perhaps some images licenced under agreements other than the GFDL. I imagine to satisfy all editors we will have to eventually write a long-winded version - "Wikipedia text is free content. However some images used are not free ... ". This is the sad but true way with all controversial articles. Pcb21| Pete 20:22, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I made a change to that section a couple days ago that I think managed to reconcile the two sides. It's been cleaned up a bit since, but the spirit of the change is still there. Have a look and see what you think. -FunnyMan 16:31, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)

I was about to snip an internal link to an article outside the main namespace on the Wiki article when it occurred to me that the only authority I have for this is the HTML comment at the top of this article's wikitext.

Is there a policy page somewhere that explains, suggests or stipulates this?

chocolateboy 23:52, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The spirit of Wikipedia:Avoid self-references is the same as that intended by that comment, but I am not aware of specific policy page that records the policy, though it has been in use for some time. Pcb21| Pete 00:12, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Aha! Thanks, Pete.
chocolateboy 00:22, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It's so that articles may be mirrored and used elsewhere more easily, I think. Our mirrors take the main article namespace, but don't take the other namespaces. That's why links that might normally be in other wikimedia namespaces are formatted as external links - David Gerard 00:26, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, David. Makes sense. And it gives me something less obscure than "see HTML comment in wikitext" to put in my edit summary :-)
chocolateboy 00:52, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

To my understanding, even if work is copyrighted under GNU General Documentation Licence, it has to have some copyright holder. Who is the copyright holder in the case of Wikipedia articles? Do the contributors still retain their copyright even though there's no copyright notice on their article in Wikipedia? And if Alice has published her work under GNU General Documentation Licence, and I put her text inside a Wikipedia article, can a unique holder of the copyright over the article be identified?

In general, I don't understand what happens with the copyright when two GNU GDL works with different copyright holders get tangled in a way which makes a separation impossible. --Daniel Polansky

They are joint owners of the one copyright in the article. You may or may not be able to take it down to line-by-line - you can in computer programs, text is a bit more difficult - David Gerard 18:31, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
When a work is so authored that the contributions of the authors cannot be separated then all the authors collectively own the copyright. So, if a Wikipedia article is authored by one person, then that one person is the copyright holder. However if an article is authored by half a dozen people, the half a dozen people are the copyright holders.
That said things get a little more complicated when it comes to what level of contribution is an original work, ie one that qualifies for copyright protection under international conventions? I somewhat suspect that correcting spellings and capitalisations does not qualify as original work and thus does not qualify the person who does it as a copyright holder if the work. Exactly what level of originality is required for copyright protection cannot be found without trawling through the case law of individual countries. David Newton 18:35, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Let's assume we're talking about the laws of the US here, as the server is in Florida - David Gerard 18:55, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Admins

Admins are an important piece of the site and should be addressed. Users DON'T have the same privileges as admins, so it should be known that Admins have more power. Simple fact. -- Anonymous commentator

Admins are just trusted users -- trusted to do things which are not easily reversible. Admins were a temporary expedient until the software was changed to make them unnecessary. Unfortunately they seem to have become a bit more permanent than was originally intended. Not so simple fact. -- Derek Ross | Talk 05:22, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)

How to pronounce Wikipedia?

Is it "wee-kee-PEE-dee-uh" /wiki"pidi@/ or "wih-kee-PEE-dee-uh" /wIki"pidi@/ or other? Should the pronunciation be added to the article?--Sonjaaa 05:59, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

It depends how wiki is pronounced, but from Talk:Wiki#Pronunciation, it seems there is no agreement on it. :) Angela. 17:28, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)
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