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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Brya (talk | contribs) at 04:46, 22 June 2006. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

This page seems to be missing a basic definition of the word. There's a discussion of how it differs in zoology and botony, and an example, but nothing actually says what a tautonym _is_. Jtl 02:08, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to reword the article to start with a definition (inspired by the article on tautonymy), then give the examples and finally discuss the differences between zoology and botany. I have changed only the style, since I'm not an expert in this field (well, I've just discovered that my user name is a tautonymy :)). MJ 10:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that moving the example upwards is likely to be helpful to the reader. Your name is NOT a tautonmy, as it does not repeat the spelling.
As to the merge proposal. Of course there is a strong feeling in wikipedia that animals are more important than plants, that plant nomenclature should be animal nomenclauture and that plant nomenclature should only be dealt with as footnotes or anecdotes in articles on animal nomenclature, which then is called scientific nomenclature. Still, if wikipedia is ever to become an encyclopedia this is not a good idea. Brya 06:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Brya, you are percieving assaults on your field where I doubt any exist. I am now reverting for consistency, as there is a page called List of tautonyms, all of which are non-plants, so apparently the community at large has not accepted that "only plant names can be tautonyms". Please feel free to add a paragraph explaining what you think, why you think it, and perhaps quote your source. If "tautonym" is a term used in zoology, and there is a list of tautonyms that should be linked from this page, then you might just have to bend a bit so that the article contains the information a user might be trying to find. Consider this my second revert. SB Johnny 19:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See Talk:tautonymy. Tautonym is not a term used in zoology. A list of zoological names should only be linked to from a page discussing zoological practice. Brya 05:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The contradiction tag on this article refers to contradiction with List of tautonyms.SB Johnny 08:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having two separate pages for Tautonym and Tautonymy is an utterly ridiculous piece of grammatic pedantry. "Tautonymy – the subject or study of tautonyms; tautonyms collectively, a set of tautonyms". I.e., they are the same. The name Rattus rattus (an animal) is a tautonym. It isn't a tautonymy - there's no such thing as "a tautonymy". So is the name Larix larix (a plant) a tautonym, an example of the tautonymy found in the history of botany. All it means is that the ICBN and the ICZN have slightly different grammatic styles of presentation. There is absolutely no difference between the two codes in their actual use and meaning of the term. The only difference is that one code accepts them for names, the other rejects them. Please study, and learn, some English grammar. - MPF 19:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the wonderful attitude of "I don't know anything about the topic and cannot be bothered to look it up, so therefore I am the person best qualified to edit this page" that shines through in so many Wikipedia pages and which rouses such great confidence in the quality and reliabity of Wikipedia!
The ICZN is a formal body of rules. It is the way it is. Anybody not happy with it, can go and convince the ICZN people to change the rule book. Just saying in a solemn tone of voice "parking a car in front of somebody else's house is a felony" does not make it so. You may think that it should be, but it is not a matter which is up to you.
Tautonyms in the ICBN and tautonymy in the ICZN are the same only from a sufficient distance. A comparable case might be airplanes and helicopters: these are the same in that both are machines to transport people through the air. A Wikipedia entry on the helicopter should not be "it is an airplane, with some marginal differences" but should deal with helicopters in their own right.
In the ICZN there is no such thing as a tautonym. Do look it up. Of course it is possible to say a little more on the topic, but given the tendency of people to edit nonsense into these pages I am very much inclined to stick to the literal facts. Brya 04:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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