User talk:Raul654

For your tireless work in making Wikipedia better, for keeping MediaWiki:Feature up-to-date, for doing the grunt work of cleaning up Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, for mediating in disputes, for adding lots of really nice pictures, and for still finding the time to work on articles! In a few months you've already become a highly valued member of the community. Stay with us and don't burn out, please. --Eloquence Apr 10, 2004

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For wounds suffered in the battles of Wikipedia, I hereby award you this Purple Heart. May you continue to be a valued contributor to Wikipedia for many years to come. Neutrality 05:22, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Talk-page archive

Lir, arbitration

• You stated: I read the evidence list and your defense in full before posting here.
  • I respond: Well, its impossible to have read my defense in full, for two reasons:
    • It isn't complete (I haven't even had time to read the lengthy list of complaints)
    • Martin deleted part of it, without even bothering to tell me (just leaving it for me to find out, oooo, a surprise!)

• You stated: Do you have any evidence to back these denials up, or (in lieu of that) can you present a reasonable alternate theory to explain them (such as how all those accounts got the same password as you)?
  • I respond: Well first, I do have to remind you that its not my responsiblity to prove my innocence; it can be rather inappropriate to ask a defendent to provide evidence to support their claim of "not guilty" -- rather, you should be asking for evidence to show that I am guilty.
    • In regards to other accounts having the same password as me, I am surprised there are not more -- I tend to use a password which is ill-advised, since it is an extremely common password. I take offence at Tim Starling's page, since it is a breech of my security; in all my years of internet usage, a website has never released information about my password.
    • If you have specific questions about other incidents, the best thing to do is specifically ask me; as you did on this topic.

• You stated: I'd also like to know how you respond to the allegations that you have been abusive ("Hey, fuck you Theresa" et al).
  • It is a shame that Martin continues to abuse his power (without any sort of check from his peers); because, I wrote in regards to this yesterday...but, he deleted it (its so rude, I don't know how people can be so petty).
    • Yes, several months ago, I became rather frustrated after a user was banned (without being brought before this committee) and while he was gone, his work was deleted. I did a great deal of research to verify the user's additions, and was met with an attitude (primarily from Theresa) that her POV was acceptable, and that NPOV was not the goal of the article. [1] (as Theresa explained, "I didn't delete because I thought they were bullshit. That would be POV. I leave a lot of stuff in that I think is bullshit. See my edits to reflexology for example. I deleted it because it is bogus, A lie, not true, made up. Do you see the the difference?") She later went on to call me a "puppet".
    • I was also bothered by the fact that each time she requested more proof, and I provided it; she simply decided that more proof was need -- essentially, she was trolling and deliberately wasting my time. For instance, she said, "Great, now we are getting somewhere. Point me to your sources, if they check out I'll be happy to let you add the stuff back in."; yet, when I provided sources, she choose to question whether the university cited even existed decide for yourself. After demonstrating that it does exist, she simply decided to "raise the bar" again -- demanding that I do even more to satisfy her. Eventually, in order to summarize all the proof I had found, I decided to create a wiki page -- it was immediately put on votes for deletion, which was obviously rather upsetting (much as Martin's deleting of my defense is upsetting).
    • I apparently became upset and once, during the course of two years (and many moons ago), I told a user to go "fuck themselves". While it is regrettable, at no time did Theresa pursue mediation in regards to the complaint; nor has the arbitration committee ever shown one iota of interest in dealing with the numerous personal attacks thrown at me. As a general trend, I make very few personal attacks of any kind; and I feel that this issue is only being brought up, because nobody can find anything recent to complain about.

Congratulations, you are the only arbitration committee member to contact me; hopefully, the others will start doing their jobs. Lirath Q. Pynnor

See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Lir/Proposed decision. Martin 17:56, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Im not really interested in hunting through talk pages, trying to remember where a certain debate occurred. I don't have any faith that the arbitration committee is interested in "seeing justice done"; Martins behaviour only reinforces that belief -- as such, I feel like I have already put a great deal of effort into a defense, which seems fairly pointless since even if the arbitration committee does not ban me...it will hardly make the necessary effort to get other users to stop harrassing me, deleting my work, and banning me from the IRC chanel. I feel like I am being patronized and that there is no desire, whatsoever, to "work with me".
  • Numerous users (mav, 172, wik, jtdirl, adam carr, RK, 168, Zoe, Theresa, Ed Poor, Sam Spade, Snowspinner, Tim Starling, Larry Sanger, and CPrompt...to name a few) have made insults in regards to my mother, my intelligence, my status as a person, my politics, my sexuality, my religion, my psychological state, my honesty, my education, my lifestyle, my writing style, and/or my patriotism. Even Jimbo has made personal attacks against me, which I am sure he will confirm; although, on his behalf, I will concede that he has apoligized and been forgiven.
  • The wiki really has no hard policy against vulgarity, or such; leaving any potential admonishment up to the biased and rarely active arbitration committeee. As such, I find it inconcievable that you could doubt that personal attacks are readily made against a number of users; especially users such as myself, who are labeled as "trolls" (which is a deragatory term, often used in wiki personal attacks).
  • I have had death threats made against me, and I expect the arbitration committee to order the removal of my name from the site and the mailing list. I take offense at the fact that my name was introduced by other users; and I do not like the fact that the wikipedia is enabling some of its more violent members the ability to track down other users. Lirath Q. Pynnor

Lir - I don't want a rumination on how you think you have been wronged; I want you to cite specific incidences (page diffs) where other users made personal attacks against you. If you're not interested, fine, but refusing to offer evidence to defend yourself doesn't help your case. →Raul654 22:53, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

Good to be back, thanks for noticing. SheikYerBooty 03:18, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Cute dogs

Thanks for noticing! Three of them live or have lived in my household :-). ...And I'm not even the one who nominated the article! Elf | Talk 23:01, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Next topic--You're the 2nd one to change "slogan of HJ Heinz company" to "slogan of HJ Heinz company ketchup" in mixed-breed dog. I changed it back the first time but now I'm wondering whether there is something obscure going on with Heinz that I'm not aware of. The company started out making various condiments and preserves--all or mostly all related to vinegar, I believe--and I'm almost certain that the slogan existed years before they ever started marketing ketchup. They *still* make many different things not related to ketchup. That's what the slogan is about. So what am I missing about "everyone" thinking it's associated only with their ketchup? Inquiring minds want to know (before they change it back again...). Thanks for the nice summary intro, BTW. Elf | Talk 05:13, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

YES!

Wow! Two featured articles in one day. Life ain't shabby, and the fact it's a Friday sure helps. THANKS! - Lucky 6.9 23:10, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Welcome to the AC

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, welcome! All our tasks are tracked at Template:ArbCommOpenTasks and some members of the committee find it useful to put {{ArbCommOpenTasks}} on one of their frequently-visited user pages.

Detailed (and possibly slightly out of date) arbitration policy is at Wikipedia:Arbitration policy. But a typical case follows this procedure:

• A user requests arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration
• All major parties in the matter give a brief summary of the events
• ArbCom members vote on hearing the matter at the ====Comments and votes by arbitrators (0/0/0/0)==== sub-section. An absolute of 4 votes are needed to formally accept or reject a case.
• If the case is accepted, then any ArbCom member can use the template at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Template to create a subpage for the case (all the comments in the request section for that case should be moved to the appropriate sections on the subpage).
• That same AC member informs all parties involved that the case has been accepted and for them to place evidence at the evidence subpage for that case (see the template).
• After at least a week (oftentimes more), any AC member can propose Principles (general re-affirmations of existing policy that pertain to the case), Findings of Fact (what the AC has found to be true by a preponderance of the evidence), Remedies (what should be done to rectify the situation), and Enforcement (guidance on how the community should enforce the ruling - this section is not always used). This is done on the Proposed decision subpage.
• In rare cases a user may be so disruptive that a Temporary Order may need to be enacted. This most often is an order to one or more users to not edit one or more articles that are the focus of conflict while the matter is in arbitration. It is especially important that all AC members vote as soon as possible on temporary orders. This is done on the Proposed decision subpage.
• Then as soon as any item receives a simple majority of Active AC members (see that number and keep your status up-to-date at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee), then any AC member can declare that item passed. To do that, copy the ruling from the Proposed decision page to the ==Final decision== section on the main subpage of that case. Do not copy the votes, but do indicate the number of votes for the item out of the number of active AC members. Also write the date and mention that voting is still going on.
• If a ruling affects a particular user, then inform that user of the ruling that affects him/her.
• If some type of sysop-action needs to be conducted, then request that that action be conducted at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Admin enforcement requested. Do not perform these actions if you are an Administrator. Let somebody else do it.
• Any arbitrator could then propose a Motion to Close the case on the Proposed Decision subpage. An absolute number of 4 votes in favor are needed to close a case.

I look forward to working with you. --mav

Fan mail

I really like the "Tomorrow’s Featured Article" — it's been very useful in catching errors in featured articles well before they're featured. Thanks. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 02:53, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Your technical expertise is needed

Could you have a quick look at the first part of disturbation area. It is now on the translation page, it was originally in German, we translated some of it, but cannot translate the technical terms in brackets. --Fenice 20:21, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've given it a scrubbing over. It looks much better now. →Raul654 21:19, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it does. Thanks.--Fenice 07:07, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Problem

Could you drop me a line on my regular e-mail? Thanks. I need to ask you something off-site. - 66.74.42.66 00:23, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Uh, who are you? →Raul654 03:28, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

Federal depository libraries

Cue article: Federal Government Depository Library, according to a link on Troy Public Library. Go on, you know you want to. best wishes, --Tagishsimon

I've stubbed it at Federal depository library.

User:Brettz9/videoscript typo fix

Thanks for correcting a typo at User:Brettz9/videoscript. I neglected to spell-check and I noticed a few more errors which I've since corrected...Thanks! [[User:Brettz9|Brettz9 (talk)]] 20:17, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

http://visitorhere.diaryland.com/

Spamming and Spam (e-mail) are not duplicate articles

You posted a merge between these two articles as duplicates. They aren't; they are intentionally separate, and in fact part of the same series -- see Template:Spamming for the others. Spamming is the general overview about spam in all media; Spam (e-mail) is about the specifics of spam in one medium. Arguably the latter should be renamed to E-mail spam to go with the other articles in the series ... but it isn't a duplicate--FOo 05:46, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The business and economics forum

Anouncing the introduction of The Business and Economics Forum. It is a "place" where those of us with an interest in the business and economics section of Wikipedia can "meet" and discuss issues. Please drop by: the more contributors, the greater its usefulness. If you know of other Wikipedians who might be interested, please send this to them.

mydogategodshat 19:12, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Battle of the Bulge

I’m working with a ton of sources, so I’m pretty much writing item by item as I research and look into each of them separately. GeneralPatton 21:09, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

TFA

Hi. I've added (or will in a moment) a link to Wikipedia:Today's featured article by email to the main page template. Can you add this to the new templates when updating the FA for the next day? Thanks 216.17.101.66 21:17, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

DNA repair FAC

Considering that there were no objections on the DNA repair article does that mean it can be promoted to FA status? prometheus1 01:06, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It looks like it has the votes to be promoted, but the nomination has to stay there at least a week before being promoted (it's been there 5 days). I usually do them in batches every few days, so don't be upset if it takes until day 8 or 9 before I promote it. →Raul654 01:13, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Featured article question

I am once again in need of your sagely advice. I have an article up for self-nomination as a feature, specifically Ridge Route. No matter what I say or do or no matter how clear I make a certain statement of fact regarding the difficulty of the road's construction, I simply can't get one user to go along with the statement. I've exhausted every online resource and I feel this article is more specific as a sum total than anything else I've found on the Net. Could I ask you to take a look and to tell me what you think? A couple of us have busted our backsides too hard to let this fail due to a lack of consensus. Thanks again, MP. - Lucky 6.9 18:11, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

WWII Project

I was reading the pages related to the WWII WikiReader Project. Is it too late to join and help? I don't spend too much time on pedia but I would be happy to assist in any way I could. What is the current status of the project? LUDRAMAN | T 20:49, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, you can join. Right now, the project is some-what idle, while I am busy. One of these days (soon) I am going to sit down and organize it. →Raul654 20:54, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

daily-article

Hi Raul. Sorry to do this to you, but I've just learned (on very short notice) that I'll be away Sunday morning when the next FA is meant to be sent. I've sent the actual article to the list (based on what's in Tomorrow's FA), so it's sitting in the moderation queue waiting to be approved. If you could just briefly log in and approve it some time in the morning (around 5AM UTC, but if it's a bit earlier or later it's not a problem), that'd be wonderful. Ta — Kate | Talk 08:26, 2004 Aug 28 (UTC) (P.S. I guess we should work out some kind of planning in case this happens in the future).

argh - and monday and tuesday. crud. — Kate | Talk 10:08, 2004 Aug 28 (UTC)

wikibomb?

Well, I never know where to go for admin questions, and I think you're the only one I remember. Just came across that whole Wikibomb thing, still on this users profile: 216.148.246.134. Should we be worried? I have no idea. It just sounds scary to me, and unless maybe someone reasons with them that they are not propaganda, something will happen. Do you think it's a bluff? Should all of wikipedia be protected for a day? :/ Lockeownzj00 18:58, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I personally suspect it's a hoax. Even if it is not, those claims are either wildly exagerrated (such as crippling us through bot-based vandalism) or totally bogus (such as getting sysop privileges through exploits). In short, don't worry about it. I informed our devleopers just to be sure, though. They're not worried either. →Raul654 19:42, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)

FAC archives

Raul, I appreciate your concerns about instruction creep, and I'll gladly do whatever is necessary to avoid increasing work for FAC maintainers (primarily you, for now).

First, though, let me explain why I refactored the FAC archives in the first place. I was not trying to make more work for you or for anyone else. Nor was I aiming at making the archive "prettier" — I was aiming for basic usability. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Archived nominations was over 600 kilobytes long. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log was quickly approaching 300 kilobytes. Supreme waste of bandwidth and time for anyone wanting to check back on a single discussion.

Now, as for a solution to both problems: I propose reverting both archives back to a simple, flat format that's quick and painless to update. To archive, cut and paste the discussions to the end of both pages, just like it was before. Move the archive pages that I refactored to "/Summary", and add a disclaimer to that page noting that newer nominations are listed only on the main archive. Infrequently, a maintainer (namely myself, or anyone else who feels like it), would move discussions from the main archive page to into my harebrained (but pretty and, I hope, useable :-)) archiving scheme, updating the /Summary pages and leaving the main archive page temporarily empty of discussions.

Does this sound like a workable solution? If so, just let me know and I can implement it. Thanks, • Benc • 21:04, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Implemented. FWIW, you've gained a disciple for the opposition of instruction creep. I never considered its existence until you told me. Best of luck for grad school, • Benc • 03:31, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

IRC access to #arbcom

I've set the channel to invite-only, so you'll need, the first time you try to login, to get yourself invited; if no-one is about at the time, use:

 /msg chanserv invite #arbcom.wikipedia

... and then:

 /join #arbcom.wikipedia

... as per normal. Once there, perform:

 /mode #arbcom.wikipedia +I Raul654

... and you won't have to get invited again.

HTH.

James F. (talk) 04:00, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Congrats!

It's only been a year? :) --mav 05:38, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Happy anniversary! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 13:53, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wow, did you have me worried. Instead of your smiling face, I get a cheesecake. Happy anniversary!! - Lucky 6.9 17:08, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Deathmasks

Raul, I know you're into photos for wikipedia. These are far from lively, but some are pretty compelling.

I could see using some, like Pascal or Newton, on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I have no idea of the copyright status of the photos: [2].

-- orthogonal 22:01, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, crap, it's even more fascinating that I thought. We have to have some of these. -- orthogonal 22:22, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well, here's how I think it works (Note, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm fairy sure about this). Let's say I make a death mask of someone. That qualifies as a creative work, and copyright attaches to it. So let's say it's a really old death mask (pre-1921) -- the copyright would have expired and the mask itself can be considered public domain. Ok, what about photographs of it? Reproductions of 2D public domain works are public domain as well (under the Bridgeman case) because there is no "creative" effort there worth rewarding with a copyright. However, 3D objects are different, because the decision of what position and angle to take the picture at counts as "creative" effort, and thus pictures of public domain 3D works do get copyright. Since those pictures don't look like they're pre-1921, the photographer owns the copyright on them. You'd have to get his/her permission. →Raul654 23:11, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

Special:Listusers

Raul, forgive me because I am a little new here and havent trudged through all the documentation yet. But I belive you are an admin and might have the power to fix this. The list of users has 2 problems. First, it only lets you jump 500 names at a time. This is a little silly with how many users there are. I used the URL directly on my way to the "S" and never got there because, secondly, it appears to have exceeded the 64K limit that was put on it. ended somewhere in the "O"'s. In any case, thanx for the help, let me know if three is a better way to alert this sort of problem. dave Cavebear42 23:39, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

daily-article-l

Hi Raul. I added your email address to daily-article-l-owner so you receive mails to this address. It shouldn't be at all high traffic, but feel free to remove yourself again if you want (it's under 'general options'). — Kate Turner | Talk 19:41, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)

Thanks for the change. I suspect Jazz will be a good front page candidate again in the near future, but didn't feel comfortable about being able to take care of what was needed in a day. Keep up your good work! Best wishes, -- Infrogmation 19:49, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Me

(Copied to User:Ingoolemo).

Thanks a lot! _→Iñgólemo←_]] 20:58, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)

Arbitration

If you check the history of Guanaco's talk page, you will see that every time I tried to discuss it with him, he deleted it without comment. RickK 05:16, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

Standing orders Anthony

Hi, Raul. I've been worrying about what to do with a complaint I have against Anthony DiPiero, without personally starting up a whole RfM or RfArb process, for which I don't have the time, or the knowledge, or, frankly, the energy right now. An exchange between you and Anthony on his talk page in July suggests that there may be somewhere, if the "Standing orders" that you drafted are actually in force. This is not a matter of conflict between Anthony and me: we have had no contact beyond an argument on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Reverse sexism, which was reasonably civil on both sides. But I think A has made a sneaky vandalism edit in the form of deliberately re-posting deleted copyvio material, and want to bring it to the attention of the Mediation committee's (if that's the right one?), because I see it as an attack on the quality of the encyclopedia. Anthony's a seasoned user, he knows about copyvio. Of course I have details and links, which IMO make it very hard to assume good faith in this case, if you can tell me whether there's anywhere to take them to. Best regards, Bishonen 13:24, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Hello again, Raul, I've just e-mailed you, at least I hope the "e-mail this user" feature worked. I've heard of people who've had trouble with it. If my message doesn't reach you, it would be a kindness if you'd have a word with Geogre on IRC about ways of contacting me. Bishonen 19:48, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have no idea what Bishonen is talking about. Bishonen, I'd appreciate it if you contacted me about your complaints before taking them to someone else. anthony (see warning) 23:46, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Bishonen - First, I never got your email. I tested the email-this-user function on my page, and it worked fine for me. (I've made the developers aware of the problem). Check the arbitrators page to find my email address and email me directly (since I don't see Geogre on IRC). Second, I think Anthony is correct in this case -- the best thing to do is to talk to him directly. However, I'm willing to hear you out if that's what you would prefer. →Raul654 00:07, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

• I'm sorry to say I can't find your e-mail address on the page you link to, Raul. :-( Can't see any e-mail addresses there, and can't see your name. That may be me being stupid from it being 2:30 in the morning here, and at this time of night I'm about ready to forget the whole thing. If I find your address and if I find the time, I'll e-mail you tomorrow or the next day. If I don't, I guess I won't. Bishonen 00:36, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

From my conversations on IRC I've learned that Bishonen seems to be talking about this edit, which as you see was not made by me. anthony (see warning) 02:14, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• You're absolutely right, Anthony, somebody else added the Hitchens quote. I got confused by the History. I apologize for thinking it was you, I'm very sorry. Bishonen 02:28, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It was an accident

Sorry, I must have clicked on the rollback without even realizing it until after it happened. [[User:Bkonrad|older≠wiser]] 02:34, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

That's what I suspected - same thing happens to me. No offense taken. →Raul654 02:35, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

No problem.

No problem, thanks for explaining. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 02:53, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Gender bias and no-longer-accepted psychological terms in featured article

The featured article for today is the Milgram experiment. It is not entirely acceptable because contains gender bias such as the use of 'he' when the sex is not specific. It also contains the term 'subject' which is often regarded by psychologists today as an unacceptable term, the accepted term for that role now is 'participant'. Ironically the terminology is particularly important in the context of the Milgram experiment.

I made edits in the article itself, and in the subsection used in the template. Would it be possible to change it over on the basis of what I have said?

Many thanks. Bobblewik  (talk) 09:50, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It is not entirely acceptable because contains gender bias such as the use of 'he' when the sex is not specific. - this is your opinion, which is not necessarily shared by other Wikipedia contributors. In formal written english, there is no 3rd-person gender-neutral pronoun ("they" is often used in informal situations, but some (myself included) find it inappropriate for Wikipedia). "He" is a generally accepted alternative, and is in fact recommended by more conservative style guides. Going around demanding that it be changed will likely get you labaled as a PC-pusher, and the way other people react to you will be unpleasant. (PC-pushers are, generally, not warmly recieved here)

As far as "subject" vs "participant" - I admit my knowledge of psychology is poor, so I can't speak with any authority on the subject -- however (as a native english speaker) it sounds like you are trying to whitewash the language. Substantively, I don't see a difference between the terms. But if you can give or point to a substantive justification behind it (give the URL of a psychology style guide somewhere that discusses the use of the words) then I don't think anyone will object. →Raul654 16:20, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)

I am certainly not trying to whitewash the language, merely correct two flaws in the article that are not compliant with modern psychological guidelines. The British Psychological Society style guide. See '10.2 Inappropriate labels' for the subject/participant issue, and '10.1 Sex-specific language' for the issue about using 'he' when sex is not necessarily male.

The American Psychological Association (APA) also has a style guide. I understand that the subject/participant issue is in 'Chapter 2 Guidelines to Reduce Bias in Language' and it says something similar to: "Terms like participants,respondents, or students should be used instead of the term, subject". I cannot give you a URL, but it is referred to in the APA FAQ I've noticed that subjects is often changed in copyediting, most often to participants. Why?

Trying to help. Bobblewik  (talk) 18:59, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well, like I said, WRT subject vs participant, it looks like you have a fair case. After reading what you cited, I wouldn't have any objections. →Raul654 02:00, Sep 10, 2004 (UTC)

One point is clear though; this FA is the worst in standard since heavy metal umlaut. I'm sure you are not offended, since I think it's I and we wikipedians that should keep track of Tomorrows featured article and spot such problems. [[User:Sverdrup|User:Sverdrup]] 17:11, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

admin

Thanks Raul. I'll try not to break anything :-) — Kate Turner | Talk 02:43, 2004 Sep 10 (UTC)

User:Rrjanbiah

I would like to complain about this user. No, this is not regarding the India map caption. Rather, this has to do with the Non-resident Indian article. Before I mention the specifics, I'll say that when I get into debates with people, I may argue but a compromise is always reached. Heck, I've been known to change my mind (Calcutta naming deal). However, Rrjanbiah has consistently failed to see any point but his own and is extremely quick to spew vitriol at people. The NRI (Non-Resident Indian) page is but one example. He places strange "phenomena" with names that apparently are meant to be 'describing issues' that Indian expatriates have, including absurd titles like "X = X + 1 Syndrome" and "NRI Syndrome"; there are others that require major qualification and/or balance regarding multiple views. You may be able to guess that, as a native Indian, Rrjanbiah clearly has major gripes with NRIs. I told him that he can't just slap random titles and list completely unexplained 'syndromes' (whose validity & objectivity is in doubt anyway) on a page, thus rendering it both ugly and biased. I shifted the titles to the Talk Page and asked that he write something to justify their existence. I'm not going to write about NRI syndrome because there's no such catalogued and major syndrome. Frankly, it sounds like a lot of prejudiced nonsense. Regardless, I told him I have no problem letting this things on the page but he needs to write something. He's made no effort whatsoever to 1) explain what the heck he means by these titles 2) to write anything explaining why they're there, what they mean, and how many people, moreover experts, subscribe to these often insulting labels. He's verging on super-insulting and also somewhat irrational. I'm sorry I'm going on, but it's frustrating and this is the first time that a dispute regarding article content has forced me to go to a third-party. I'm usually able to work with people, but this kid's very stuck in his ways. Thanks a lot for listening. --LordSuryaofShropshire 06:41, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

I'll look into it and see what I can come up with. Honestly, if he refuses to respond, it makes things quite a bit simpler from a dispute resolution point of view (IE, it pretty much tanks his case). →Raul654 06:48, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

- :: Thanks a lot... my follow-up is that he's now placed ridiculous 'explanations' which have no basis in any accepted cultural social science or anything!!! I couldn't resist venting my spleen (not too badly) on the Talk Page of Non-resident Indian where I announced my decision to place an npov notice up. But again I'm grateful for your action. --LordSuryaofShropshire 06:55, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Lord, first of all you are the one who called me psycho, childish, etc and so I called you same. Second of all, I didn't write the whole titles as you complained me in the talk page. Third of all, I have written enough info now.

Regarding other conflicts with Indian English and Ramayana, I'm getting help from a.u.e.

Your remark that I'm kid and native Indian is too much for anyone who knows me personally to agree with.

So, what are you complaining to this sysop? --Rrjanbiah 06:52, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I called you psycho after WEEKS of your telling me I'm a 'nationalist', hyper-'patriot' POV 'vandal' and demonstrating a complete lack of communication skills. --LordSuryaofShropshire 06:55, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Anyone can check your edits and your discussions to decide about your disputes. --Rrjanbiah 07:22, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for stating the obvious, buddy. But remind them to look at the Ramayana and India (in particular the AIT section) pages as well. --LordSuryaofShropshire 07:33, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

Absolutely, *if* they have knowledge about the topic and knowledge about what are you trying here. (BTW, what Sari has to do with "Hindu philosophy"? sigh) --Rrjanbiah 07:58, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

1) It's not about being knowledgeable: you don't seem to understand everyone's point that you're a pugnacious individual with little room for civil discussion; you failed to ever discuss things and just pointed a finger at me and called my writing fictional; you then argued about changes which didn't even contradict anything you said! Perhaps this is because your English isn't so good, but you need to read and try to understand what people are saying. 2) Hiranyagarbha and the ideas of the Supreme Being of NatyaShastra are Vedic principles that are part of the Hindu metaphysical framework. <Sigh> --LordSuryaofShropshire 08:09, Sep 11, 2004 (UTC)

*sigh* --Rrjanbiah 08:28, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Husker007

Please explain to me what I am doing wrong so I can stop. No one has explained this to me, as soon as someone says "You ought to do X", I do X, such as including information in my summary tags. This reeks of hazing, and I do not appreciate the immaturity shown by the staff. Husker007 18:03, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

What are you doing wrong? Well, (1) the information you added to Blue Whale (the first time) was blatantly false. You got reverted, then you changed your claim, and this time your own source contradicted you. (2) On perenium, you're demanding the removal of a picture which everyone else seems to agree is appropriate (at least until something better can be found). (3) Your edit summaries have generally been personal attacks (such as "reverting vandalism by User X", where X is a user who has been here a long time and we know is not a vandal), (4) This edit is blatantly POV. So that's 4 seperate pages on which you have caused trouble, and I'm pretty sure I've barely scratched the surface. If you do not discontinue adding POV or false information, if you do not cease to make personal attacks, if you do not stop demanding the removal of pictures as pornographic, and if (in general) you do not stop making a nuisance of yourself, you will be banned. →Raul654 00:07, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Raul, when you say to Husker007 that "you will be banned.", are you speaking as an editor, a sysop, a bureaucrat, or a member of the Arbitration Committee? Do you mean banned via an Arbitration Committee ruling, or via other means? I ask, because it may be unclear, especially to a new user (or to any user not unaware of the high offices you hold here) whether or not you can ban by your personal fiat. Thanks in advance for clearing this up. -- orthogonal 00:15, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

In this case, I am speaking as a run-of-the-mill sysop who is telling a new user that if he refuses to follow Wikipedia's policies, he will be banned as a vandal. →Raul654 00:18, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Exploding whale

Hi, I've tried to modify the intro section to incorporate your suggestions. What do you think? - Ta bu shi da yu 01:38, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi again, it appears that the article has stabalised, with emphasis being taken away from the literary references (which were never the main part of the story to begin with). I've tried to accomodate everyone's suggestion to the best of my ability, what more can I do here? Are you happy with the changes to the lead section? Does everything else look OK to you? I'd really like to know if I've satisfactorally made enough changes for you to be able to withdraw your objection! - Ta bu shi da yu 17:12, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sorry about that

I added a couple of those back that I thought were really good. Sorry for overloading the page — should have thought a bit more before I did that. Johnleemk | Talk 01:57, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Bureaucrat stuff

Hi Raul, please remember to add people you turn into sysops to the list of administrators. Thanks. Angela. 17:17, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Whoops, my bad. Yes, I'll be more careful about that in the future. →Raul654 17:18, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Sandbox

Why do you have a sandbox on your user page? --Patricknoddy 20:20, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)User:Patricknoddy --Patricknoddy 20:20, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)User talk:Patricknoddy 16:20 September 13, 2004 (EDT)

CPU cache

Raul,

I've written essentially all of the CPU cache page. I was surprised when it got nominated for featured article... I wasn't familiar with the process. Now that it's in the featured article list, it appears that the (relatively minor) feedback that people had left on the candidates page has vanished. Where did it go? Should it go on the :Talk page?

I could really use some good criticism on this page, and time to respond (like a weekend), before it goes on the front page.

Iain McClatchie 04:46, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

(1) For articles that are promoted to featured status, their nominations are archived to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log. (2) In general, there's a lag time of about 2 months between promotion and being featured on the main page (I try not to pick recently promoted articles for the main page). →Raul654 05:39, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

WP:VP

I think I've pulled a disaster and messed something up in the Wikipedia:Village pump trying to remove the "Regions of Italy" section. The section still appears on the page, though the diff section says it's removed. Etz Haim 05:56, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Nah. Look at this - it's an old version of the page. "Regions of Italy" appears on the page twice - TOC numbers 32 and 67. It probably got accidentally duplicated at some point in the past - this is a fairly common problem with the mediawiki software. Just remove the other section, and you should be fine. →Raul654 05:59, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Self-nominations

I'm verry sorry for having so many self-nominations; in the future, I will restrict myself. But two of the nominations will soon disappear: George I of Great Britain is due for promotion today, and James I of Scotland for the same tomorrow.

Shock site

Hey, Raul, I reverted your edit to Shock site because it was done while the page was protected. Feel free to make the edit once the page is unprotected, but it isn't right to edit a protected page (except to put the protection template on it, of course.) RickK 00:15, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Rick - I knew it was protected. However, it was protected due to vandalism -- no one is actually debating the contents of the article -- which is why I saw no reason not edit the article. →Raul654 00:27, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Inuse

Apologies, I only noted the tag after I saved. Feel free to overwrite my edit.--Eloquence*

Ok, thanks. →Raul654 06:06, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Disinfopedia template

Are you sure that it broke the template? I didn't even have time to check and see if it worked before you reverted. - Nat Krause 06:13, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yes - every single page that used it suddenly started coming up with garbage. Make a test template using the previous versoin, and put it in a sandbox somewhere - you'll see that it comes up garbage. →Raul654 06:18, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Have Star Trek be the Featured topic for October 8th

October 8th is when the new season of Star Trek begins, so make Star Trek be the featured topic that day. Gamingboy

It was already featured on May 22 of this year. We don't repeat articles. →Raul654 17:49, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Tank man

There is little point in insisting on a link to Wang Weilin, as nobody knows who he is, and no other pages but Tank man link to him. We can't have a bio on him because nobody knows who he is. :) Should the page be created, it would be nothing but a permanent substub with only one useful outgoing link – to Tank man. Surely you don't want to encourage the existence of such a page? — Smyth 20:01, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Just to prove everyone wrong, I've gone and written it. It contains 7 internal links, 2 external links, and 3 sentences - quite a bit more than a substub. And there's more room to grow. →Raul654 20:20, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Right, so we now have two articles under two pseudonyms of the same person. The new article contains one new piece of information, which should be incorporated back into the original article. The rest is straight duplication.

This is what redirects are for. – Smyth 20:49, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Tank man should contain information about the suspects (who Tank man could be), and the impact (being on Time Magazine's top 100 most influental people). The Wang Weilin article should be a striaght biography - it could talk about what university he went to, the fact that he was the son of two factory workers, etc - none of which belongs at tank man. →Raul654 21:01, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

If any actual, real, substantiated information was known about Wang Weilin personally, or if he was a notable person in some other way, then I'd agree. But we only have the vaguest hearsay about who "Wang" was, assuming he actually existed, so there is no useful purpose in having a separate article for him. – Smyth 21:24, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Uh, no one is disputing the claim that he existed, or that he was a student, etc etc. The claim that he is tank man might be wrong, but he definitely existed. →Raul654 21:28, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

I'm sure lots of people called Wang Weilin existed, and lots of those were students, and probably one of those students were in the Square on that day. But we don't add a page for every person who exists, we add a page for the Tank Man because he did something worth writing a Wikipedia article about.

I suppose my point really is that there is no prospect that any new information will ever be added to the Wang page which would not equally belong on the Tank man page, because there is nothing else known about him except the barest rumors. In such a situation, having two pages seems unjustified. – Smyth 21:42, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

To reiterate what I said above - The Wang Weilin article ... could talk about what university he went to, the fact that he was the son of two factory workers, etc - none of which belongs at tank man. Tank man is about the tank man persona. We can't say for sure that it's Weilin, tank man shouldn't go into depth about his life -- that would be awkward. On the other hand, Wang Weilin is about Weilin himself. There is definitely information that belongs in the latter and not in the former. And with the barest of google searches, I turned up several facts that were usable. If someone wanted to, they could find a lot more info than that. (all they would have to do is email the professor who reported that he had died after 14 days). →Raul654 21:56, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

I've reconsidered my position. I suppose it could go either way - in general, yes, it's a horrible idea to have two articles about the same thing, but this case is odd, since we don't know that they're the same thing. I'm fine with it as is, but if you want to merge the two, I don't think I'll have any further objections. →Raul654 23:35, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)

Statement by affected party

I just found out today that there was a formal arbitration case against me. It is improper to do this without me being part of it. RK

Be aware that Simonides was himself nearly banned for his non-stop damage of several Wikipedia articles? He launched into abusive polemics against nearly everyone on the Philosophy and Anti-Semitism articles. We must note that many people are upset with the way that Simonides's kept hurling ad homenim attacks at so many people, so many times. Since I was one of the many people who did not allow him to unilaterally rewrite all of our articles to match his own peculiar POV, he tried to ban me. Just check out the archives of these pages, especially the anti-Semitism page, You will find that I have not been harassing him, or anyone. The reverse is true, and he is just trying to ban me to get his POV in. RK

As for Zero, we rarely have any conflict. He does have anger towards me, and I suspect that he is a sockpuppet for another user. I requested that in the one area we have a significant difference, we mediate (the Israel Shahak article.) As for all the other articles that we could have had disagreements on (relating to the Arab-Israeli wars), I removed nearly all of those articles from my Watchlist. That's right, instead of arguing with Zero and others, for many months now I have totally let them have their own way on over a dozen articles. Compare this to the behaviour of other Wikipedians with arbitration cases; I don't know of a single user like myself who has been so generous in just totally removing themselves from a large number of contentious articles. RK

It seems odd to me that so few are willing to actively participate in mediation, but wish to push charges against me. And have they dropped any articles from their watchlist? Nope. I can't see how I am the bad guy here. RK 20:17, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Irish theatre

Hi: I have expanded the lead section somewhat. Will this do or do you think it needs more? Would it be better to see if Abbey Theatre makes it to FA and main page it this centenary year? Filiocht 08:01, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Much better now. Look to see it on the main page sometime this week. And don't worry about Abbey Theatre - there's still plenty of time left in the year to feature it on the main page. →Raul654 08:05, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Right so. I'm happy to see Irish theatre make it as I started that page under my previous username. Filiocht 08:23, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ohhh, so you're what became of Bmills! I was kinda saddened to see he hadn't contributed in a while, but now I know why :) -- you might want to make User:Bmills a redirect to User:Filiocht. →Raul654 08:49, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Have done. Filiocht 10:04, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Kenneth Alan

What is happening with regard to Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Kenneth Alan/Evidence. It's been nearly a month. Mintguy (T) 17:29, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)