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Frisco Centennial High School

Aaargh. I don't think it's possible to clean this and leave much beyond "Frisco Centennial High School is a High School in Frisco", and so it must die. --Tagishsimon (talk)

  • Delete. "Die" might be a little too strong, but this article exhibits no encyclopedic value, is full of POV statements, and in parts nonsensical. I may as well toss in that until there is an agreed policy on schools (WP:SCHOOL did not succeed, and the creation of a wikiproject does not automatically confer encyclopedic value on any given article within that project, and schools are not inherently notable, and "precedent" is meaningless - we're not wikilawyers and stare decisis does not apply), each school article must be judged on its own merits. In the present case, I am of the opinion that this particular article, judged on its own merits, does not meet the criteria of WP:NOT. Agent 86 03:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I cleaned up the article (this involved getting rid of all but a paragraph), and according to overwhelmingly widespread precedent, high schools are inherently notable. If we should look at each case separately, then the fact that a couple thousand of students attend is enough. AdamBiswanger1 03:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • But why did you have to delete this nugget: In the northern suburb of Dallas, TX off of 121 go to www.friscoisd.org and there choose 6-12th schools to click on Centennial High School "Home of the fighting Titan"? The one school where you have to travel to location before you can access their web presence is surely notable. Hence, Keep No vote. ~ trialsanderrors 07:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  1. While the number of college graduates is increasing, there are still a lot of people in the US whose highest level of education was their local high school. We have articles about colleges, so why not high schools too?
  2. This is an expandable stub article. Sure, it doesn't present a lot of information right now, but sooner or later someone may expand it.
  3. m:Wiki is not paper. We're not a traditional encycolpedia, we have the room to cover high schools.
  4. Notability for this article: Frisco, Texas has experienced massive population growth in the last few years, this school was built because of that and is already over-capacity to the point where two more are being built. Not the strongest argument, but it's good enough for me.
  5. I personally don't like requirements for notability such as "notable alumni", if for no other reason than it would confuse new editors who want to know why their school article is being deleted if those other ones can stay. Also, newer high schools like this one will obviously have troube meeting this sort of requirement.
I doubt this will convince anyone whose mind is already made up on the school debate, but at least it's better than citing precedent. BryanG(talk) 20:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not every school has inherent notability. If it's noteworthy in any way (besides the fact that it exists), I'll change my mind. --Coredesat 11:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- agree with Coredesat, excellent comment -- MrDolomite 14:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - It is not my belief that high schools are inherently notable. They should have done something at least, like had a notable alumnus or been featured in press stories. We really need to come up with a working set of guidelines for this already... Wickethewok 14:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Far too much time has been wasted on that already and it would be a terrible idea to start it all over again. As I have been saying for a year, the only guideline that will ever work is keep all schools. CalJW 15:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep — It is my belief that most High Schools are notable. This debate will persist ad infinitum, and I've seen little reason to favor a delete for a properly-formed H.S. page. :-) — RJH (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. User:Motor is correct in pointing out that there is no "automatic keep" rule for schools (I'm still not sure why people invoke Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools as constituting an "automatic keep" / "inherently notable" rule, but that's neither here nor there). Certainly, there are notable schools, which should (and do) have articles. However, this does not mean that every school should have an article ... only the notable ones. After all, there are notable -authors- who should (and do) have articles, but we delete the nonnotable ones all the time, etc. etc. Anyway, the only suggestion of notability that occurs in this article is in reference to the school's size (student population of ~2,100). OK, my local McDonalds gets more than 2,100 customers a day -- does that mean it should have a page, too? Of course not. Anyway, if this school actually becomes notable (and the article makes the case for it), I'll be the first to change my vote. Best, Docether 19:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is not true. The argument has been made, and you don't agree with it. Alright, that's your choice, but the way the school deletionists treat inclusionist arguments with dismissive contempt is one of the main reasons I am so resolved to stand up to them until we have an article about every school. CalJW 15:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, yes, well, you are accusing nominators of bad faith because they disagree with your "argument" (see below)?
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