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I had to do that because he kept deleting my changes. why did he remove a link to a relevant NYTimes editorial?

Why did he remove relevant info about ACSH's funding?

Why did he say 'nominally' independent??? That is libelous!

Why did he simply REVERT to old version, when the old version was misleading?

If he wants to take out POV stuff, fine, but a clarification regarding funding issues????

Removing a NYTimes editorial that agrees with ACSH?

When even the left wing editorial page of the Times agrees with ACSH, he should probably give up his unscientific advocacy and conceed that there is no longer a controversy--in the scientific community- about this issue.


Old talk at User talk:Brion VIBBER (archive)

Harass me here.

(You can also harass me live at times: Jabber [email protected], AIM BrionV)

I notice some comments in the deletion log about the delete function not working right -- what's up? I'll try to fix it if there's a problem... --Brion 08:28 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)

I'm not sure, and I don't have time to play with it because I'm behind schedule to make my deadline on Monday, but I stopped by for a minute and tried to delete a page, and it didn't go away. I thought when I deleted pages that had no links to them before, they ceased to exist, but I may just not have known how to find them again. This one doesn't go away when I delete it.
What exactly happened? Did it tell you that it had deleted the page, or did it do something else after clicking the 'yes, delete it' button? --Brion 09:19 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)
It said it was deleted, but it wasn't -- the page was still there, but without any text. It may have had to do with there being an article page and a talk page and my trying to delete them one at a time. Or not. -- isis 09:46 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)
Hmm, "without any text" meaning a completely empty/blank article area, or meaning the "(There is currently no text in this page)" message? (This latter is very misleading -- the message only shows for pages that don't exist; a page with no text will just show blank. This needs to be replaced with something useful.) --Brion 10:05 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)
I don't remember whether it said anything or not, but it was an edit page, and when I clicked on 'cancel' (without typing anything on it) it turned into an article page that may have said there is no text. -- isis 10:47 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)
By the way, I'm not sure if this is a problem with the software or my ignorance of how to use it, but when I search I don't find articles whose titles are letters, that is, I can't find A.U.M.P. Church by searching on the letters, but on "a u m p church" it gives me all the ones with "church" in the title. -- isis 09:10 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)
Searching doesn't currently work on individual letters. --Brion 09:19 Dec 7, 2002 (UTC)


Brion, why does the textbox work for me here in the Normal skin, but it still doesn't work right for me in the Esperanto version? --Chuck SMITH

Did you try turning off 'edit box full width' in your prefs? --Brion 10:49 Dec 9, 2002 (UTC)

I didn't know if it would matter, but I created a User:rambot for all the rambot entries, that way anyone can tell at a glance if it is me or the bot doing the work. I didn't know if this meant there could be some way that we could hack in some kind of special case so that the Recent Changes screen avoids all "rambot" entries. The current bot run is going to take about 7 days to complete, but after that I was planning on rechecking the remaining 10,000 city articles that were missed (to verify the data, as people were noticing problems). I didn't know if there was any new work done on trying to clear the Recent Changes screen of bot entries. -- RM

If the rambot entries weren't on recentchanges, would people have noticed the problems in the data? --Brion 21:22 Dec 9, 2002 (UTC)
Unless they were viewing recent changes from a month ago, yes. None of the errors that people have recently given me were about the current bot run. So it appears as if most people are ignoring those entries. That said, I understand the purpose of the RC. Nevertheless, I just wish there was some way that I could do my work without bothering others. It is also a (minor?) annoyance to have to slow the bot down this much. A filter would be a blessed thing. -- RM

Hi Brion. is it ok to change the logo for the Swedish wikipedia? So far we have one alternative ready, with swedish text and a little bit happier in color:


This is how it looks...
http://sv.wikipedia.org/upload/b/bc/Wiki.png
Dan Koehl 11:42 Dec 10, 2002 (UTC)

Done. It should now be linked to the uploaded file 'Wiki.png', so if you upload a new version it should take over automatically (clear your cache if need be!). --Brion 21:46 Dec 10, 2002 (UTC)
Thanks for your help once again! Looks good? / Dan Koehl 00:53 Dec 11, 2002 (UTC)
I'm afraid it may alienate people from outside Sweden. Both Finland and Estonia have a Swedish speaking minority. // Liftarn 09:51 Jan 2, 2003 (UTC)

Hey Brion - Wiktionary is a bit much to type for inline links to Wiktionary articles. Is the d: namespace being used for or planned to be used for anything? --mav

Its only tempoary Mav anyway, We need to get it moved to languagecode.wiktionary.org, but the main question is hwo we are going to link it back and forth maybe... enwt: for wiktionary and enwp: for wikipedia.

-fonzy


Thank you so much for the bot feature. I look forward to when you finish up and we have an option to turn it on. -- Ram-Man

Sweet! Thanks Brion! --mav

As I mentioned in email sometimes the full headers produce new articles! Aludra Thanks again for helping. BF 01:38 Dec 16, 2002 (UTC)

Hi Brion, I have a favor to ask. I posted this question to Maverick, and he referred me to you. Somebody has taken my comments to "Karl" on Dan Keshet's talk page and moved them to the Holocaust page, signing my name, creating the impression that I am a holocaust denier. I've made an entry on the Vandalism_in_progress page, and contacted the anonymous user's ISP, Sentex.net in Canada. Is it possible to check the server logs and find out if any registered users have logged in from the IP block (64.7.128.0 - 64.7.159.255) on December 18 between, say, 8:00-10:00 UTC? Or any other information which would help identify this person? If necessary, I can provide Perl support to help grok logfiles. Thanks! --Len

See my response at User talk:Maveric149. --Brion
See my followup on Mav's talk page. --Len.

On a related matter the above mentioned user have been posting my full name and adress on at least two pages in the Swedish wikipedia. Not only is it a violation of my privacy, but also of Swedish (and European) law. Since I'm concerned about my privacy I would prefer that the article would be deleted. // Liftarn 10:10 Jan 7, 2003 (UTC)

And where may I find these pages? --Brion 10:24 Jan 7, 2003 (UTC)
They are on his user page in the Swedish Wikipedia. // Liftarn 12:11 Jan 14, 2003 (UTC)

if you are polite to the trolls they give you gold coins. Vera Cruz

Maybe once in a great while, but usually they just give you more shit. -- isis 17:08 Dec 19, 2002 (UTC)

Help! I can't erase an stupid image called Optimism.jpg in es.wikipedia!--AN 17:00 Dec 19, 2002 (UTC)

Thanks!--AN 19:31 Dec 19, 2002 (UTC)


Hi! Would you mind setting up a test version for the new Portuguese Wikipedia? There are a few lines left to translate, but i would really like the other users (they finally appeared!!!!!) to test it at once. I am a bit insecure with the translation, so this is very important.

I've uploaded it to http://www.yvesjmt.kit.net/LanguagePt.php

Can you add me as an admin at the test.wikipedia? Username 'Yves Marques Teixeira' pass: 'lol'

thank you! My email, in case you need, is junqueira at brturbo.com Yves 23:49 Dec 20, 2002 (UTC)

I'll try to get that set up tonight. --Brion
Ok. I am sorry if I sounded like trying to rush you. That was not my intention. Take your time. Thank you! Yves

I tried the DNS redirect thing and it failed on me. More on my talk page. If you like I can forward you the account info which has the user id and pswd. FYI I only registered with Verio, I didn't sign up for any service. --mav

Brion, could you delete Image:Jennajameson.jpg for me? For some reason the software says that it is either a bad or empty title but as you can see there is nothing empty in that picture. I don't think fair use applies. --mav

Brion, was sent to you from the Village Well. I am a new Israeli ... (insert whatever you like to call your newbies), and since the heb site is empty I was wondering what could one do to help. Besides the point just wondering about your interest in film. I studied film and hope to end up making them some day in the near future (my first contrib was Un Chien Andalou. Thanks. -- aarrrggghhh

I'm a little behind on setting up new language wikis; I have to tweak some of the conversion scripts to get them back in synch with the current database schema. I'll try to get it set up in the next couple days! --Brion 22:02 Dec 26, 2002 (UTC)
Definitely don't rush this on my account. Are there any other people in charge of making something of the Heb wiki once the software is up?

I would offer my help with the code, only I should probably learn to write some before... Thanks anyway, -- aarrrggghhh

Performance has been great in the last few days, is this because of InnoDB? Or are we just getting less traffic? --Eloquence

It's the light holiday traffic. The InnoDB tables are still only running on test.wikipedia.org, as I haven't yet ironed out some cases of search index synchronization problems. --Brion 03:20 Dec 28, 2002 (UTC)


Re Image:Dimndust.htm; is it your intent to place the book under GFDL license? --Brion 23:21 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)

Yes. -- isis 23:43 Dec 29, 2002 (UTC)

Hi, Brion, I was looking at the LanguageIt.php versions on Sourceforge and I found that I probably made a mistake in sending you the last file. Sourceforge version 1.3 is in fact reverting all the changes I had made in version 1.2 and it should be quite similar to 1.1, if not the same. If you wish, I could prepare a 1.5 restoring 1.2 and including the "math" => 1 string added in 1.4. Please, forgive my confusion, and
Have a joyful New Year :-))) Gianfranco

Hi Brion! I've tried to search for some common Englsih words in the Swedish Wikipedia, this would be a good way to find English articles that need translation or removal, but all common words seems to be blocked. Is there any chance to change the blocked worlds from English to Swedish? // Sven Eriksson

MySQL's fulltext search index is hardwired with English stopwords. --Brion 15:38 Jan 2, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Brion! Someone had left some good advices for you at zh.wikipedia.org . I support these advices.

zh:用户对话:Brion_VIBBER

--Ghyll 4:14 Jan 3, 2003 (UTC)

Brion you're quicker than me Ericd

How come today I'm getting "error"s in the left margin of my "older versions" screens, please? I think I would have noticed if they had been there before, but they've been there since I got up this noon. It says:

View article
Move this page
Error
Error
Discuss this page
What links here

Please make it stop saying that. -- isis 21:53 Jan 7, 2003 (UTC)

We've changed the sidebar behavior so that there are links to the article, talk page etc. on screens where they were previously missing. For example, when you click on a user page that doesn't exist User:Foobarbar, you can now directly visit their talk page, or contributions, without having to put some text there first. The errors probably relate to your sysop status (I suppose these would be "Protect" and "Delete" links), I didn't test properly with sysop status enabled. Will be fixed ASAP. --Eloquence
Fixed, but should be double-checked for correctness. The deleteThisPage() and protectThisPage() link-generation functions were making different checks than the functions that called them, returning an error when not in plain viewing mode; I've changed them to check simply for the existence of the article instead. --Brion 22:21 Jan 7, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it seems to be okay now. The two "Error"s have turned into "Delete this page" and "Protect this page," and when I put my cursor on them, they show me the name of the article whose "Older versions" page I'm on. Thanks very much. -- isis 22:36 Jan 7, 2003 (UTC)

Brion can you have a look at Sexual lubricant & Talk:Sexual lubricant

Hi Brion, Me again. What can I do to help with the Hebrew wiki. I'm kind of getting the feeling that there aren't many other people interested (so who put up the page??). Will translating the language.php file help? What about all the Right-to-Left troubles.. :-) Please let me know what I can do to help. Aarrrggghhh

Yes, the translation would be a help! I'm not sure just how right-to-left is going to work; we'll see what happens once the interface strings are translated and it's running... --Brion 17:35 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)
Where do I put the stuff (front page, php file) once it's translated? It's going to be UTF-8 text, if that's OK? Aarrrggghhh 19:13 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)
Perfect! Just attach a copy and e-mail it, either direct to me or to the developers' list (see Wikipedia:Mailing lists). Or, try on meta.wikipedia.org (which is set up for utf-8) and see if it posts properly. --Brion 23:07 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Brion. I've got myself an account at Sourceforge: "tarquindarkling" (there's another "tarquin", who'd been inactive for ages last time I checked.... :( Once I've worked out how do have multiple logins with WinCVS I'm ready :-) -- Tarquin 15:51 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)

Looks like I'm in :-) Will I find english text in LanguageFr.php that needs translating, or variables missing from that file I have to add? -- Tarquin 22:43 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC) Never mind, it seems to be the former. -- t
Probably a little of both, double-check. --Brion 23:07 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)
Now why do I suddenly get this feeling of impending doom? ;-) -- Tarquin 23:14 Jan 9, 2003 (UTC)
Problem: I tried to commit the file & I got: "cvs [server aborted]: "commit" requires write access to the repository" -- t
Were you working from a directory where you made an anonymous checkout, or did you make a separate checkout from the non-anonymous server? (Remember you need to run it through SSH. I don't know how to do this with WinCVS; when on windows I just use cygwin and pretend I'm running a funny unix.) --Brion 00:44 Jan 10, 2003 (UTC)
I'm working in the non-anonymous directory -- but I used the same server, just substituting my userID for "anonymous": [email protected]:/cvsroot/wikipedia . I've found an SSH option, but I get the same reply from the server. Do I need an "RSA identity", whatever that is? There's an option for that that "wakes up" once I have SSH selected. -- Tarquin 10:04 Jan 10, 2003 (UTC)

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This offensive handle debate got me thinking about F*** and I just clicked into Vagina. The shock of seeing c*** big and blue simply stund me. How could I be so foolish ? Two16


I think the consensus of the community is that it's time for you to change cumguzzler's username. Please check that user's talk page and see if you agree. -- isis 09:31 Jan 16, 2003 (UTC)

mav and I reccomend C. Guzzler. Vera Cruz

If the user in question has agreed to change their username (a simple matter of logging out, creating a new account, and moving the user page if desired), I will be happy to swap the database records to list the new name for their old edits. Otherwise, you'll need a "warrant" from Jimbo (I don't have the authority to ban or radically alter user accounts without permission except in cases of outright vandalism, which this is not), and you can expect more whining and bitching and creation of "clever" alternate "obscene" usernames to get around the "ban" will likely follow. --Brion 10:19 Jan 16, 2003 (UTC)
I've cc'd you the email I sent to Jimbo. --Robert Merkel

Brion,

is there a reason we are using a different set of code files for each Wikipedia? It's fairly simple to use the same one for each, I have hacked this for the OpenFacts project: just use different wiki.phtmls which include different Setup.phps which include different LocalSettings.phps. All other PHP files are then shared among the different languages. Wouldn't this make updating a lot easier? (On a different note, I have also hacked OpenFacts to use a common user table for the two languages, this took me only a couple of hours, but merging the existing user DBs would be tricky for WP.)--Eloquence 20:34 Jan 17, 2003 (UTC)


I'm not so sure that would be an advantage; as it is, I can synchronize all the common source files with a single call to a simple update script, so it's no trouble to have separate directories -- modifying the wiki.phtml and Setup.php for each language would cause more work for me whenever those files happened to change. If we reenable PHP caching with a more recent and less crashy version of APC, I'm not sure how it would be affected by running the same files with different include dependencies.
I'd like to combine the user tables, but we need charset conversion (or a common charset, preferably), a one-time remapping of user id numbers, and a one-time check for duplicate names that aren't the same people. Further, I haven't heard any concrete ideas on how broadly user options and sysop rights should extend; the same for all languages, or partitioned into sections? --Brion 01:45 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)
If you have a script that's fine; when working on de I noticed it seems to be a relatively dated version of the code, though (I miss my backlinks ;). As for perms, yeah, we'll probably need a more complex mechanism here. Either we try to push it all into one column, or we'll create a separate perms table. Opts could be global for the time being, IMHO -- if at all, you would probably only want single opts to be different in different local versions. --Eloquence 04:00 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)
I've just updated everything to current version. I notice there's some weirdness in the default skin sidebar; "New page" was showing up on special pages (Recentchanges etc); I've suppressed that message but still get two line breaks. That code could use some cleanup... --Brion 04:18 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)
Argh, my mistake, I wanted to show the backlinks in preview mode, too, and checked for $action=="submit", which seems to be the action for special pages. I removed the check in CVS, which will make the backlinks disappear again in preview, though. --Eloquence 06:28 Jan 18, 2003 (UTC)

How much work is it to update the scripts? The display bug is quite annoying. I'll try to fix things up properly over the weekened (don't have a local install here yet), but it would be nice to have the temp fix up before that. (I know you're using a different skin, so you don't notice.) Alternatively, I can ask Jimbo for server access. --Eloquence 00:47 Jan 19, 2003 (UTC)

Poof, updated. --Brion 00:53 Jan 19, 2003 (UTC)
As always, thanks for the quick service. I could get used to Cologne Blue .. if only it had a go button ;-) --Eloquence 01:03 Jan 19, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your diagram in Telecine. It was the key to helping me understand the process. I added column names to the picture and reduced it to 256 colors (filesize from 20K to 8K, no noticeable decrease in quality). --Nate 05:56 Jan 19, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Brion,

I've been having trouble editing a couple pages here. I can click in the edit boxes, I can select in the edit boxes, I can delete in the edit boxes, but cannot type or paste in the edit boxes. The only two pages (that I know of, of course) on which this happens are Talk:Evolution and User talk:Maveric149. As far as I know, there is no other unprotected page that I cannot edit.

Several people, and in particular Koyaanis Qatsi, have tried to help, but to no avail.

Other info:

  • I don't have an ISP. I have ethernet locally going out a T1 eventually at a college.
  • I have my own IP. It's dedicated to the sole computer in my office.
  • My IP is almost certainly not banned. Otherwise, I couldn't have written this message--unless there is such a thing as a page-specific ban. However, I've never written to Maveric's page, so unlikely I'd be banned there.
  • I've never seen a ban message. Only the symptoms I described above.
  • Maveric149 said that large pages might be giving me trouble. Perhaps. Both the bothersome pages are fairly large.
  • I'm using Netscape 4.75. (I know. It's old, but I like it.)

Do you think there's a bug of some kind doing this?

Yours,

Arthur

Okay, this is no longer useful, i guess. I just saw the message you just sent. I think i'll still send it for archival purposes. I hope that's helpful rather than rude (i'm new here. don't the culture yet).
No more need to respond. I'll assume it's my browser and a size limitation.
Thank you!
Arthur

I should modify my earlier comment to Arthur to say that you seldom bite.  ;-) Anyway, thanks for all your help on wikipedia. I do appreciate it, even if I don't always remember to say so. Koyaanis Qatsi

Hey Yo! (okay, that's a little joke)


thanks for support on other pages. I still like those who disagree with us and are unkind for no reason (do you understand this? I don't want to say names because I don't want to offend anyone).
best wishes,
Arthur

It’s time to update the list on the most active Wikipedians, complied over a month ago.

172

Do you have an idea why your change of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary of last December shows up in my watchlist (of the last 7 days)?

BTW, nice article on Model United Nations.

Sebastian 19:47 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)

The watchlist actually shows _all_ entries back to X number, ignoring the date. (The header bit needs to be fixed to explain that!) Since you only have a few items in your watchlist, even fairly old ones will show up. Thanks re the MUN article, I'm glad someone read it. :) It's still pretty light though, calling out for additional editing... --Brion 19:54 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)

Brion!

Dropped the nearly fully translated version (I skipped some really difficult parts scriptwise) of LanguageHe.php in you mailbox. It's v0.1 or less but it's a start! It's on my talk page over at meta. Should I put it on the Locales for Wiki software page as well? -- Aarrrggghhh

I just got an error message. I saw an empty link to Guns n Roses at 1962 in music and clicked on it to make a redirect. Since I was unsure what the correct title was, I did a search for "guns roses" and, then clicked back to make the redirect. The error message came after I pressed save -- (it did take and the redirect works) and this is what came up:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This could be because of an illegal search query (see Searching Wikipedia), or it may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: SELECT cur_id,cur_namespace,cur_title 

  FROM cur,links
  WHERE cur_id=l_to AND l_from='Guns_N'Roses'

from within function "LinkCache::preFill". MySQL returned error "1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'Roses at line 3".

Tokerboy

Oops! Fixed. --Brion 22:05 Jan 25, 2003 (UTC)

Is the system going to start counting accesses again soon, please? -- isis 07:16 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

It seems that LDC "lcrocker" has been inactive for months. I made a patch on sourceforge, and given this, I doubt he will get to it... https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=411192&aid=652507&group_id=34373 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=411192&aid=643351&group_id=34373 And then i just made this one which was assigned to you ;-) http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=674724&group_id=34373&atid=411192 (i'll patch if u let me). user_talk:hfastedge

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