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Here, we determine which articles are to be featured articles (FAs). FAs exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and satisfy the FA criteria. All editors are welcome to review nominations; please see the review FAQ.

Before nominating an article, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at Peer review and adding the review to the FAC peer review sidebar. Editors considering their first nomination, and any subsequent nomination before their first FA promotion, are strongly advised to seek the involvement of a mentor, to assist in the preparation and processing of the nomination. Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured article candidates (FAC) process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make efforts to address objections promptly. An article should not be on Featured article candidates and Peer review or Good article nominations at the same time.

The FAC coordinators—Ian Rose, Gog the Mild, David Fuchs and FrB.TG—determine the timing of the process for each nomination. For a nomination to be promoted to FA status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the coordinators determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the coordinators:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved;
  • consensus for promotion has not been reached;
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met; or
  • a nomination is unprepared.

It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the main thrust of the process is to generate and resolve critical comments in relation to the criteria, and why such resolution is given considerably more weight than declarations of support.

Do not use graphics or complex templates on FAC nomination pages. Graphics such as  Done and  Not done slow down the page load time, and complex templates can lead to errors in the FAC archives. For technical reasons, templates that are acceptable are {{collapse top}} and {{collapse bottom}}, used to hide offtopic discussions, and templates such as {{green}} that apply colours to text and are used to highlight examples without altering fonts. Other templates such as {{done}}, {{not done}}, {{tq}}, {{tq2}}, and {{xt}}, may be removed.

An editor is normally allowed to be the sole nominator of one article at a time, but two nominations are allowed if the editor is a co-nominator on at least one of them. An editor may ask the approval of the coordinators to add a second sole nomination after the first has gained significant support. If a nomination is archived, the nominator(s) should take adequate time to work on resolving issues before re-nominating. None of the nominators may nominate or co-nominate any article for two weeks unless given leave to do so by a coordinator; if such an article is nominated without asking for leave, a coordinator will decide whether to remove it. A coordinator may exempt from this restriction an archived nomination that attracted no (or minimal) feedback.

Nominations in urgent need of review are listed here. To contact the FAC coordinators, please leave a message on the FAC talk page, or use the {{@FAC}} notification template elsewhere.

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Featured article candidates (FAC):

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Featured article tools:

Nominating

How to nominate an article

Nomination procedure

  1. Before nominating an article, ensure that it meets all of the FA criteria and that peer reviews are closed and archived.
  2. Place {{subst:FAC}} at the top of the talk page of the nominated article and save the page.
  3. From the FAC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link or the blue "leave comments" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please post to the FAC talk page for assistance.
  4. Below the preloaded title, complete the nomination page, sign with ~~~~, and save the page.
  5. Copy this text: {{Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/name of nominated article/archiveNumber}} (substituting Number), and edit this page (i.e., the page you are reading at the moment), pasting the template at the top of the list of candidates. Replace "name of ..." with the name of your nomination. This will transclude the nomination into this page. In the event that the title of the nomination page differs from this format, use the page's title instead.

Commenting, etc

Commenting, supporting and opposing

Supporting and opposing

Shortcut
  • To respond to a nomination, click the "Edit" link to the right of the article nomination (not the "Edit this page" link for the whole FAC page). All editors are welcome to review nominations; see the review FAQ for an overview of the review process.
  • To support a nomination, write *'''Support''', followed by your reason(s), which should be based on a full reading of the text. If you have been a significant contributor to the article before its nomination, please indicate this. A reviewer who specializes in certain areas of the FA criteria should indicate whether the support is applicable to all of the criteria.
  • To oppose a nomination, write *'''Object''' or *'''Oppose''', followed by your reason(s). Each objection must provide a specific rationale that can be addressed. If nothing can be done in principle to address the objection, a coordinator may disregard it. References on style and grammar do not always agree; if a contributor cites support for a certain style in a standard reference work or other authoritative source, reviewers should consider accepting it. Reviewers who object are strongly encouraged to return after a few days to check whether their objection has been addressed. To withdraw the objection, strike it out (with <s> ... </s>) rather than removing it. Alternatively, reviewers may transfer lengthy, resolved commentary to the FAC archive talk page, leaving a link in a note on the FAC archive.
  • To provide constructive input on a nomination without specifically supporting or objecting, write *'''Comment''' followed by your advice.
  • For ease of editing, a reviewer who enters lengthy commentary may create a neutral fourth-level subsection, named either ==== Review by EditorX ==== or ==== Comments by EditorX ==== (do not use third-level or higher section headers). Please do not create subsections for short statements of support or opposition—for these a simple *'''Support''',*'''Oppose''', or *'''Comment''' followed by your statement of opinion, is sufficient. Please do not use a semicolon to bold a subheading; this creates accessibility problems. Specifically, a semi-colon creates an HTML description list with a description term list item. As a result, assistive technology is unable to identify the text in question as a heading and thus provide navigation to it, and screen readers will make extra list start/item/end announcements.
  • If a nominator feels that an Oppose has been addressed, they should say so, either after the reviewer's signature, or by interspersing their responses in the list provided by the reviewer. Per talk page guidelines, nominators should not cap, alter, strike, or add graphics to comments from other editors. If a nominator finds that an opposing reviewer is not returning to the nomination page to revisit improvements, this should be noted on the nomination page, with a diff to the reviewer's talk page showing the request to reconsider.


Featured article (FA) tools

Add new nominations on top, one section per nomination.

Nominations

William Butler Yeats

Partial self-nom. Another Irish literary subject. I found it in a poorish state a week or two ago and have been rewriting. I think it's pretty good now. Filiocht 10:59, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

United States

Very informative, lots of information and well researched. Incidently, those who say this is too "USian" will be shot on sight. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:20, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It's too USian. :-P TrollQueen 08:21, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Even I am tired of seeing me put this word on this page: References. Please. Filiocht 08:24, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • OK, would you like me to stick in every reference that was placed in all the subarticles? - Ta bu shi da yu 09:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. 1) There are no photographs here. Surely there are many great images (several probably already on Wikipedia) that can be used. Just some suggestions: George Washington (history), 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (politics), the Statue of Liberty (demographics), the Grand Canyon (geography), Elvis Presley (culture), McDonald's (economy), ... 2) As a main article about the US, it should not present too detailed information, but this article actually writes too little on some topics, especially the history section. Three or four paragraphs are acceptable (politics is fine like it is), and shouldn't be difficult to fill. Geography (not even a mention of the main cities (L.A. isn't even mentioned in the article) and economy (give some numbers here) could also use more content. The demographics section fails to mention what influence/problems the great number of ethnic groups had/caused (or still have/cause). The culture section is OK, but why not mention a few artists as an example? 3) A map displaying the fifty states would also be useful in the political divisions section. The CIA map isn't informative either, too little detail. 4) The demographics section shouldn't use boldface for listing ethnic groups, and the writing is not that great. (The sentence "few immigrants came directly from France." is strange. Is this meant to refer to the Huguenots who usually first fled to another country? Or is it for some reason importantto mention France explicitly here?) 5) I'm not that keen on including footer templates in the middle of articles, and I would actually like to see them replaced by a proper table or list (if necessary). 6) There should certainly be references here. And yes, if you used all references for the subarticles for this article, then you should put them here. Jeronimo 09:40, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Agree with Jeronimo's reasons. The footers are especially jarring because if you're used to such things as footers, you think the article is over. On the other hand, all four footers at the bottom of this page would be ugly. Mpolo 10:00, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

Breastfeeding

Self-nomination. Perhaps the science picture needs a higher resolution still but I think the content is quite detailed now. violet/riga (t) 22:54, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Object. Needs to be internationalised a bit - at present all the references and country specific info is US. Otherwise a good article. Would support if my concern is dealt with. Jongarrettuk 23:05, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Added some UK references from a survey reported by the department of health. Goes someway to dealing with your concern, I hope. violet/riga (t) 09:29, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object - this is generally an excellent article, and I want to support it, but some notable absences: (1) it is is too US- (and now UK-) centric - there must be something to say about breastfeeding in other cultures (in, say, Asia, Africa, South America); (2) nothing about breastfeeding in history - there must be something to say about historical approaches and attitudes to breastfeeding; (3) properties of breast milk could compare breast milk to formula milk and cow, goat, etc, milk, or be separated out to breast milk, which looks almost identical; (4) a short line about parallel (tandem) feeding of twins but nothing about higher-order multiples, nor about parallel feeding positions; (5) nothing about mixed feeding (supplementing breastfeeding with formula bottle feeding); (6) nothing about the approximate number of times a day that an infant feeds or approximate amounts taken at each feed (as a function of age) - I know this varies, but there must be averages; (7) nothing about nursing bras; (8) apart from avoiding certain foods (caffeine, alcohol) nothing about a nursing mother's increased dietary requirements; (9) no references. I'm sorry to be so critical. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:59, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Don't be sorry at all - you've highlighted some important things here which I will work on. There are some that I will find difficult (historical and other cultures, in particular) but I'll work on it as much as I can. Thanks. violet/riga (t) 10:03, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Portugal

Self-nomination. --Pedro 09:50, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Oppose. The "Politics of Portugal" section tells me about the government, but not about the politics—needs more about political parties and Portuguese attitudes towards the EU. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 17:22, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
    • Included info (has asked) about politics and Portuguese attitudes towards integration in Europe. -Pedro 02:53, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The History section is too long. It should be much shorter. Revth 05:24, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. This is good. Nice pictures, most issues have good information, proper mentioning of references. However, there are still a few problems, I hope you can solve them. 1) The history and culture sections are way too long. Summarize the important issues, move the details to History of Portugal and Culture of Portugal (if not already there). 2) The map images are poor. The district&regions map is totally useless, it would be better to put the little information in there (location of the outlying islands) in the map in the infobox. Instead, there should be a map showing the districts and regions (and their borders). The other map image has problems with some of the city names displaying incorrectly. 3) Several sections need more information, give a slightly broader and more complete overview of their topic. There are several issues I miss there, including (but not limited to): the districts section should tell a little about the political issues: what distinguishes an Autonomous Region from a district? The economy section (straight copy from the CIA book, I guess) misses the fact that many Portuguese worked abroad as guest workers (some still do) and the fact that there were serious concerns (whether by other EU nations prior to Portugal's joining the Union. The geography section doesn't tell me that Portugal is sometimes struck by earthquakes (there was a major one in Lisboa in 1755 or so), and why that is. The International disputes section should be integrated with an other section, it has not enough body for a separate section. 4) The picture of the fado singer is probably copyrighted. If you think it is fair use, this should be mentioned. Suggestion: a sound sample of a fado song would be nice (not part of the objection). Jeronimo 07:48, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hawaii

Excellent article. Partial self-nom. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 05:39, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)

  • Object. Inconsistent spelling of Hawaii throughout the article. →Raul654 05:56, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
    • It's supposed to be that way. "Hawai'i" is used by the state government and by most natives, while "Hawaii" is used by the federal government. So we chose the spelling based on the context of each sentence. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 17:18, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
      • A featured article must follow the manual of style, which says an article should be self consistent. The best precedent in this case would be to do what happened over at Kyiv/Kiev - use the most common name (Hawaii) consistently throughout the article, except where the naming issue itself is discussed (in this case, in the Origins section). →Raul654 00:25, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
        • Isn't funny how all the rules say "for guidance only" until some wag wants to make it "his rule" If this is going to bring out more cockroaches, I personally would rather NOT see the article as "featured" - Marshman 01:15, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
          • Uh, following the standards is a Good Thing. If you don't want to comply with the naming standards, you don't have to, but it only serves to hurt nominations. →Raul654 01:19, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. It sets an example of frankness and clarity. Wetman 06:05, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Sections are well written and cover a lot of fascinating material. --Gerald Farinas 17:23, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. It's a very complete article. Revth 05:19, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Inconsistent spelling of Hawaii throughout the article. Gzornenplatz 05:26, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. 1) The order of the sections is a bit strange (but I could live with that). I would expect symbols in a less prominent spot. 2) There are too many lists. The list of cities could be integrated (in prose) in the geography section, while the list of people needs to be dropped. The really important ones are already mentioned elsewhere, and this partial list will always be subjective and incomplete. Same goes for the short lists of educational institutions. 3) While perhaps not necessary for all US States, there should definitely be a Culture section for Hawaii. 4) This is an English language encyclopedia, so the English names should be used primarily. So it is Hawaiian Goose (nēnē), not the other way round (unless, of course, there is no English name). 5) No references are mentioned (only external links), and I would also like to see books/articles under suggested/further reading. Jeronimo 08:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Would advocate making Hawai‘i into Hawaii in the "Language" section (where it says "State of Hawai‘i" and uses the Federal spelling in every other use) and in the "Miscellaneous" section, where it (to me) more distracting than informative. -- Mpolo 09:57, Sep 30, 2004 (UTC)

Sesame Street

  • My pet, I think it's pretty good. -- user:zanimum 02:00, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Mostly good article. Two points. One: Get rid of the word 'edutainment' in the opening paragraph - it's ugly, links into a stub and screams 'this article is for Americans only', which it shouldn't be even though it's about a US programme. (It's also duplicating what's in 'History of the show', it doesn't seem so bad there.) Two: The dead-end linked characters (particularly the secondary ones) could do with some pruning (or writing up if they actually are interesting). If those two (small) things are changed, Ill alter my vote to 'support'. Jongarrettuk 18:35, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • How does the quality of a linked to article effect the quality of a candidate? I'll get on to the characters, but as a comparison, Belgium has redlinks to its people within the main article, yet it's featured. -- user:zanimum
      • It just looks like too long a list. I admit it's a bit niggly. To be honest, I'd probably change to support if only my first concern was addressed. Jongarrettuk 00:41, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, if you shift the "History of the Show" to towards the top of the article. Great article! Incidently, I like the "edutainment" word in the lead section. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:06, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object for now. The lead section is a bit short and there are no references. Also too many lists, I think the minor puppers and humans migh be left out at no great loss. FYI, the US version was on both British and Irish TV for years. Filiocht 08:18, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Request to post this on Wikipedia:Peer review first. Some issues: 1) No references. 2) Images should have captions (and sources for some images are a bit vague). If possible, the screen captures should be replaced with better images. 3) The list of characters should be dropped to List of Sesame Street characters, and replaced by a brief discussion of all the characters now listed under "Primary Puppet Characters". 4) See also lists and random facts seem to be inserted at various places in the articles. These need to be grouped together, unless such a see also belongs to a certain section (such as the list of characters). 4) The broadcast history and Regional variations of the show sections both tell the same story, but of different countries. 5) There needs to be a history section. Jim Henson is mentioned only twice, briefly. 6) A section such as "controversy" seems a bit out of place. It seems to imply there have been several controversies, but only one is discussed. If there have been more: discuss them, if not: include it in the history section if deemed relevant enough. 7) Is there info on viewing numbers? Are they growing/stable/declining after 35 years? And internationally? Jeronimo 09:57, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Aer Lingus

I think both this and Ryanair (below) are very good articles - I learned a lot! JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 18:25, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Support. Mpolo 19:20, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, although its missing info on todays revelations (Casual uniforms and non-Irish callcentres to save money) (it now mention the low-frills intercontinental flights, which this is a part of) Kiand 20:19, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. I don't like the long list of destinations. Is it needed, or could it just be reduced to the countries served? Also, I would like to see more about financing. Hasn't Aer Lingus (controversially) received large government grants in the past, without which it may have gone under? (I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong). Also, how large is it (eg in comparison to its competitors)? We have fleet numbers, but what about employee numbers or turnover? Jongarrettuk 20:35, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment. Two articles on airlines nominated by JOHN NEAR-MISS — is this a coincidence? ;-) -- Solipsist 21:35, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • No, I was reading up on airlines and these two struck me as being good so I nominated them both. PS whats with John Near-Miss? JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 17:00, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • Colision, as in a crash, I guess... Kiand 20:21, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Dsmdgold 02:06, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Needs a References section and the lead could be expanded. Otherwise a good article and I'll support when my objections are met. Filiocht 11:16, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ryanair

This is a pretty good article. Slightly shorter than the norm, but I think it is quite to-the-point. JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 18:25, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Object for now. While heavy on criticism already, it doesn't mention the scandal they had about wheelchair access in Sansted last year. I don't know the details, unfortunately -- I know they claimed it was all the airport's fault. Also, maybe we could make some sort of graphs of the "growth" figures at the end to make it easier to take in. (There's plenty of blank space there to put them in...) -- Mpolo 19:15, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object, way too short, there are 1000's of better articles onj wikipedia. GeneralPatton 19:18, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Too much criticism. The article needs much more of the positives (eg: cheaper flights, opening up new routes) to achive balance. I think the addition of the positives should be done by restructuring so the positives and negatives sit side by side in sections on each sub topic, rather than just adding a positives section. Would also add more on the role on the role of Michael O'Leary, how he came to the airline and his role in transforming it. MarkS 19:51, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    (Goes to look up Ryanair: How a small Irish airline conquered Europe by Siobhan something-or-other) :) JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 20:05, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Soap bubble

Liked this one. Covers the subject from meny different angles. And the pictures to explain the interference leading to the colours of soap bubbles are very well done. Simon A. 09:09, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Object for now. I think the lead section needs to be expanded a bit as a summary of the article, the photos need captions, there are some problems with the writing: for example. 'Something to reduce the water's surface tension: Dish washing soap, liquid soap or baby shampoo.' is not a sentence, and we've just been told that dish washing soap may not cut it. There needs to be a References section, the Mathematics section should be with the Physics, I think. Despite all this, the article has definite FA potential. Filiocht 09:46, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • This already is a featured article. Fredrik | talk 10:17, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • (No vote, since already featured) Doesn't render correctly in my Firefox 0.9.3 for Linux (bullets and numbers overlap the photos). Perhaps a bit of tweaking is in order? -- Mpolo 10:53, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)
  • Apologies for overlooking that it is already featured. Now I feel a bit stupid. ;-) Simon A. 11:03, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Don't. I didn't realise that split infinitive was already featured and resubmitted it - low and behold, to my surprise there it is on the front page! Even with many objections!!! - Ta bu shi da yu 11:35, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Which leaves us with a little problem, because Filiocht's comments are all good, plus there is no references section. It doesn't really warrant de-featuring though, so perhaps these are items for a to-do list. -- Solipsist 11:27, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • And now I'm puzzled: the Additives and Procedures subsections should appear as bulleted lists but don't. If they did, the 'not a sentence' objection would be fixed. Can anybody else see the bullets? I'm on IE6, by the way. Filiocht 11:42, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • I've fixed what I can, some funny syntax around the images. Still a problem with the lead section, though. Filiocht 12:15, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Image:Soapbubble.merging.250px.png has no source attribution and no image tags. Where does this come from?! - Ta bu shi da yu 11:35, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Fun article, but hasn't this already been featured? Still like it though :) Zerbey 15:55, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

David Irving

Partial self-nomination. Irving is to the far right what Noam Chomsky is to the far left. GeneralPatton 02:25, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Oppose. No lead section, no references. Markalexander100 02:44, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Reference is "Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust, and the David Irving Trial by Richard J. Evans." and the lead section is there, it's just short and to the point. GeneralPatton 03:12, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • If all the information in the article came from one source, then more research needs to be done. The lead is inadequate. Markalexander100 03:16, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
        • Well, if you've noticed there is also an extensive section named "External links" that provides quite a number of sources and views on Irving. I'll work on the lead section. GeneralPatton 03:33, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
        • The lead section has now been expanded and more references added. GeneralPatton 15:32, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Not bad, but needs some work 1) No picture 2) Lead section too short. Should present a broader summary/overview of the article. 3) The term "Holocaust revisionism" is loaded and disputed, and many view revisionists as deniers (not always correctly, I think). This should be explained in some detail. 4) The latter part of the story contains some gaps, and the last sentences of the "libel suit" section seem more appropriate as the last sentences of the article. 5) The NZ ban gets detailed attention, but previous refusals of entry are only mentioned briefly (in the same section). Why the unproportially big attention for this specific (and recent) ban? This should be sorted out. 6) What is the general public opinion of Irving after the lawsuit? The article mentions this for earlier periods of his life (esp after the Dresden book), but not later in his life. 7) The part about Keegan supporting Irving is weird, as he does not actually seem to support Irving's views (based on what is written here). 8) The article fails to mention the book by Lipstadt which led to the lawsuit (Denying the Holocaust). I think this book would also qualify as further reading. Jeronimo 07:47, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the suggestions, I’ve already worked some of them out, and I’ll try to address the remaining ones in the next few days.GeneralPatton 15:32, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • weak Object.Only because of the following phrases that i think transgress onto POV (or at least can be be rewritten less objectionably):
enabling Irving to claim he was a serious historian
Historians viewed the book as revisionist nonsense

Da Vinci Code

Detailed and solid. Nice simple (but not too simple) sentence structure throughout. JDG 15:13, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Object. 1) I would expect a picute of the book (fair use) 2) Lead section should give a (very) brief summary of the book as well, and should be written more fluently (not stating facts only). The film adaptation mentioned is not discussed further in the article. 3) I think the first section (the title "Description" would be better as "Synopsis" or so) should not be in the "Spoiled" section of the article, it's suitable to read and doesn't really spoil anything. 4) Instead of the "Summary of Spoilers", which deals with many details, I would expect and extensive summary of the book's story, also giving away many of these spoilers. This bullet list makes it look like these are the only thing interesting in the story. 5) The "Criticisms" section is dedicated to finding (sometimes minor) factual errors in the book. There's nothing about the reception by (literature) critics, or by the reception of the public. How many books were sold, actually? And if there's so many critique on the factual contents of the book, what are the author's replies to this? 6) The "Facts & Mythology Behind The Book" section is completely unnecessary. These articles are already linked (more than once sometimes) from within the article. Jeronimo 19:21, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. I would also expect the "criticism" part to offer actual literary criticism of the book, and not just debunk the issues presented in the storyline of the book. The captions of the photos should make it clearer that the "facts" presented in the captions are part of the plot of the book, and not accepted by religious historians. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 13:59, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Poorly constructed article on what is probably not that important a book. Filiocht 14:14, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Could you be more specific? As for the importance of the book - that's your POV. Many people would disagree. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:24, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • Some specifics:
        • Lead section is weak; needs to summarise plot.
        • The title of the novel refers, among other things What other things?
        • Too many bulleted lists to interrupt the continuity of the prose
        • were removed to France by the Priory of Sion only several years ago: does this mean 'a few years previously'?
        • There is no discussion of the book's merit as a piece of writing.
        • the criticisms are referred to as what critics perceive as Brown's many errors and from historians dismayed by the way Dan Brown has in their view distorted?and in some cases fabricated?history but some of them are just plain errors (e.g. the original Olympics were held in honour of Aphrodite) and need no weasel words.
        • Overall, there is far too much detail about the book and the body of pseudoscience that lies behind it and nothing about sales figures, etc.
        • There is no References section.
      • I could go on. As for the importance of the book, lets come back in 50 years time and we might begin to have an evidence-based view on that. My gut feeling is that it will be entirely forgotten, but I could be wrong. Filiocht 07:52, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
        • OK, but as you don't know if it's important or not, then you can hardly use that as an objection, can you? - Ta bu shi da yu 11:41, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. In my opinion, articles with spoilers and similar can never be featured article candidates. Gerritholl
    • Policy is that you're supposed to use one ("Because of this, and because not everyone coming to the site immediately recognizes Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, please attach a warning text and link after the definition paragraph of an article that contains spoilers. -- Wikipedia:Spoiler warning). The requirements for a featured article are that it "Comply with the standards set by any relevant WikiProjects, as well as those in the style manual". This objection is complete bull, and should be ignored. →Raul654 17:14, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)
      • Not that I need to, but I put my full support behund Raul654. Parent poster has no idea what he's talking about. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:51, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. It's mostly list, with hardly any solid analysis (except for pinpointing historical errors). Zaha 19:59, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. I'm a Chrisian and curious about this book, and I found the criticisms section useful - but not useful enough.
    • The claim that prior to AD 325, Christ was considered no more than a "mortal prophet" by his followers, and that it was only as a consequence of Emperor Constantine's politicking and a close vote at the First Council of Nicaea that Christianity came to view him as divine: This has been debunked with extensive reference to the Bible and Church Fathers by various authors. (Example http://www.envoymagazine.com/PlanetEnvoy/Review-DaVinci-part2-Full.htm#Full.) At the Council, the central question was if Christ and God were one, or whether instead Christ was a created being, inferior to the Father (see Arianism).
      • Good point, can we have more information?
    • The assertion that "the sacred feminine" has been suppressed by Christianity: In Roman Catholicism, for example, Mary (of Nazareth), the mother of Jesus, is specially venerated as the "Mother of God," the "Queen of Heaven," the spiritual mother of all mankind, and is believed to be free of sin. (It is hypothesized that Mary's Virginal nature does not accord with Brown's ideals.)
    • The allegation that five million women were burned by the Church as witches: the most reliable estimates?including those not executed at the Church's recommendation, not killed by burning, and not female?range from 30,000 to 50,000.
      • Please state where those "most reliable estimates" are from.
    • The depiction of the Templars as builders, guild-founders and secret-bearers: Templar historians point to abundant evidence that Templars did not themselves engage in building projects or found guilds for masons, and that they were largely illiterate men unlikely to know "sacred geometry," purportedly handed down from the pyramids' builders.
      • Which Templar historians?
    • The suggestion that all churches used by the Templars were built round, and that roundness was considered an insult by the Church: Some churches used by the Templars were not round, and those that were round were so in tribute to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
      • Example of churches that weren't round might be nice.
My other objection is that the article is mainly a gigantic list. - Ta bu shi da yu 22:51, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I'm getting quite discouraged by this FA process. People here are just so wrong so often (by my lights, of course, but what other lights can one have?). The article is a bit listy, but that's more of a plus than a minus when dealing with this sort of thriller fiction. Some of the list items are in fact pretty meaty paragraphs, and the writing quality throughout is far above the WiP norm. Oh well. JDG 04:20, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Firstly, this is your opinion. Secondly, Wikipedia is not a list. Thirdly (and most importantly!) don't get discouaged. My nomination of Windows XP got rejected for the same reason. I never worked out a decent way of fixing this without annoying a whole lot of people... I live in hope! Coalesce the points in paragraphs and this should become featured article standard. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:23, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Note regarding the above discussion: I think there's too much already in the article about debunking - or verifying - specific "facts" in the book. The article should certainly discuss the controversy over some of the facts in the book, but it doesn't have dig out every single bit. I personally don't think that is necessary in Wikipedia, and if you really think it is necessary, please make a summary in Da Vinci Code and move the details and unimportant ones to Alleged factual errors in the Da Vinci Code (or so). Jeronimo 07:02, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • That title is terribly POV. Either there are factual errors, or there aren't. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:42, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • It's entirely appropriate for the article to include these factual criticisms, since this is a major gripe that many historians of art and of religion, and theologians, have with the novel. Remarkably, author Brown insists that the items in question are true, even though experts in those fields say he is just plain wrong. And many of his readers uncritically accept what he says and propagate it as if it's great, newfound knowledge. As it is, the list is far from comprehensive. It's just a compilation of the most serious criticisms. Short-changing the "Criticisms" section would be a disservice to the reader. Inaccuracies and falsehoods, intentional or not, are often among the more interesting aspects of subjects, and are typically given full mention in Wikipedia articles.--Johnstone 23:33, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
        • The seventh word in the intro defines the book as a novel, and the word novelappears on 12 other occasions in the article. It is not Wikipedia's fault that "many of his readers uncritically accept what he says and propagate it as if it's great, newfound knowledge" I'm not sure the article deserves featuring, but I would vote FOR it any day rather than try to educate anyone who won't understand what the word novel means. Moriori 00:11, Sep 29, 2004 (UTC)
          • Yeah, it's a novel, but one with a conspicuous notice at the beginning titled, "FACT," that includes the following: "All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate." Hence the factual criticism of the novel.--Johnstone 02:36, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Why not have Wikipedia itself? --Gamingboy 14:15, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

  • Oppose (barely). There was a recent report about subtle vandalism that evades detection (it was linked at /. a few days ago) that would have to be addressed. It might be better to mark this as a "no front page" article once it makes feature status. Mpolo 19:15, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
  • The history and sister projects, for example, have to be expanded. ✏ Sverdrup 20:15, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. It still reads like a self descriptive page for project users and promotes Wikipedia. Instead it should be descriptive to someone unaware of the subject and be NPOV encyclopedic. 1.) More needs to be done to discuss recent criticisms of wikipedia in general and specifically the subtle vandalism experiments that were done with unfavorable results. For example all of the external links are positive regarding wikipedia. 2.) Too many one sentence paragraphs. History is a one sentence section even. 3.) Downloading the database section is entirely unecessary to the importance of wikipedia to outsiders. 4.) Very little coverage of wikipedia's impact and growing popularity other than the awards section. 5.) Awards section is just a list, it needs some prose.
Taxman 13:26, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

Six Flags Over Texas

This is a self-nomination that I recently wrote from the ground up about the theme park Six Flags over Texas. Essentially, the park's importance was that it was the first park of the Six Flags theme park chain, which is now the largest regional theme park chain in the world. The park also has a interesting past. If anyone has any suggestions on how to change the article or make it better to possibly get a featured article status, please let me know. -- BrandonR 04:06, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

Update: Thanks for all the criticisms so far, I'll work on expanding the article and making it look like less of a list. -- BrandonR 16:57, Sep 28, 2004 (UTC)

  • Object - 50% list. Also, who owns the copyright on those pictures (IE, who took them)? →Raul654 19:23, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
    • All the photos were taken by myself. What do you suggest to improve the article? -- BrandonR 20:20, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. It's essentially a list. All of the sections need to be fleshed out more. The article will also benefit from a copyedit, I noticed a few errors (I'll fix them for you). It's a great article, that could easily achieve featured status with a little bit of work :) Zerbey 01:17, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. The list format does not work here, in my opinion. Maybe you should describe a walk through the park? It might work. The lists here make the park seem like it has no trees, no pop corn wagons, no clowns, no magic shoppes, no ponds of water. If you described it well enough, you could leave out half of the rides. ---Rednblu 06:52, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Lead section says "despite its history of ever-changing owners and expansions" yet no details are given in the article about changing owners or major expansions. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:12, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Columbia University

I do understand that an article on a University may not be what we all dream of as an ideal encyclopedia article, but I see things, like the rather stable structure of a University as something to be documented, because the main units of it are well organized, and stable over time. Over the past 75 years, the ivory towers of science, history, social science, math, government, law, health, economics, business, engineering, art, and music have started to make attempts are true interdisciplinary learning, beyond the very focused, everything has 4 walls, a ceiling, and a floor, and doesn't exist in the real world, type learning. Because of this, I would like to nominate Columbia University page, but I also have other reasons. I belive it is well put together, and well thought through. There could have been twenty times the information there (check out Timelines), and I will try to argue its case. The main point is to understand that the institutions of learning are as an important part of our history as the knowledge they produce. There are little bits and pieces of information, that get lost as the universities continue to grow, in Columbia's case, one of the first cyclotrons to split the atom burried under the basement of Pupin phyics Labs of Columbia University, or the abandoned University Hall, that would have hailed many of the limitations and also many of the postiives of the "megastructures" that would come years afterward. This is only just one school, any univerisity has just as storied a history, but I belive this article about Columbia Univesity can make the case as well as any other. -- Ctrl_build 00:57, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • I oppose. The article’s very one-sided—it’s written like it could be straight out of a university brochure, and parts like “one of the world's most prestigious universities ... placing just after Harvard (10.3%) and Yale (9.9%)” sound so self-congratulatory you can’t help but roll your eyes. The “Notable Columbians” stub section makes me cringe, as does “In film, television and the arts,” which might work better if it were broken into a separate article. Besides which, there is almost no discussion of the (often negative) neighborhood attitudes towards the university and its behavior in local politics, business and real estate. I also think some sections could use some expansion, such as the post-1968 history of the university and the description of the Morningside campus’s award-winning architecture. Finally, there’s almost no sources given for any of the information presented. There’s definitely potential here, but in its present state, there’s just no way it could be a featured article. Having said that, I might work on it a little right now... T-bomb 01:09, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Your points are well taken, thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into creating separate pages, that has been suggested before. Looking at it that way, I would suggest a separate section for 309 Havermayer itself, it has a lot of history in it (issolation of deterium, setting for many movies, wonderful architecture). -- Ctrl_build 01:26, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Yeah, that sounds good. If you start breaking it up, mind if I chip in? T-bomb 01:53, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Go ahead, I have quite a bit of non wikipedia real world work to do, so go do it if you want. I already have done considerable work on the engineering school article and the Columbia College of Columbia University article in previous days. I think it would be prudent to take a model from the timeline linked to in in my first post. Its totally open, its information from the trustees of columbia university (the schools corporate name is Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York, via a court order) If you have questions, ask, I am right at the University. By the way, its the 250th aniversary, and they are making a big deal out of it. I know this isn't the best place to give suggestions. I am happy someone else is willing to look into this. By the way, I like your small Duane Reade article. If you walk down broadway from 116th to 80th, you can count about 14 of them. That's probably triple the number of starbucks you can encounter.-- Ctrl_build 02:03, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. This page is almost there. I like the list of Columbia people on the linked page--very classy. Here are my objections and how to fix them. Put a note on User:Rednblu so that I look back again.
    1. In my opinion, it does not make sense to begin the "Student life" section bragging about Columbia rejecting 90% of its applicants--third only to Harvard and Yale--the more it rejects the better. Does that mean that student life is better at Harvard which is first in rejection rate? Why isn't Columbia at the top of something? Or why doesn't the author claim first what Columbia is best at--better than Harvard or Yale? In my opinion, rejecting a large percentage of applicants has nothing to do with the quality of "student life."
      • So, I suggest you begin the "Student life" section with something that is notable about Columbia student life; for example, Columbia is a subway ride from the Metropolitan Museum of Art or Greenwich Village. Great dates! Or something like that.
      • Alternatively, you might make the whole first section about "Competition." In that case, I suggest you move the "Student life" section later. Within a section on "Competition," the high rate of rejecting applicants could be one race among many, including endowment and number of Nobel Prize winners on the faculty.
    2. I thought the first paragraph of the History section was a little weak. Surely, there is some endearing story you can tell about the founding, the beginning, the early buildings, the early New York. There must be an endearing one paragraph story that would capture the spirit of the beginning.
      • So, I suggest you take out that whole paragraph that ends with the fatal "It remains one of the world's most prestigious centers of higher education." Replace that paragraph with some endearing early story that captures the unique spirit of Columbia. Or something like that. The rest of the history section I thought was great.
    3. A list of movies shot on the Columbia campus is rather boring. It clutters the Columbia page. But if you mention the movies, I want more detail; I want to know what scenes.
      • So, I suggest moving that list to another page and link it, a stub for now, where you describe in a brief sentence the predominant Columbia scene from each movie. For people acquainted with Columbia, it would be nostalgia, pure Hollywood to think of it, to think of the camera angle all over again. For people acquainted with the movie, they might say, "Now that was the Columbia library. And watch the monster come out of the basement to the men's gym."
    4. That whole list of "Schools and Enrollment" seems to me to be unnecessary and clutters the Columbia page. What is deadly for me is all those numbers; you are about two steps away from throwing the Columbia fiscal budget at the reader.
      • So, I suggest that you cut the "Schools and Enrollment" section. If you feel there should be something to replace that section, you might describe more detail of the organizations you summarized in "Organizations and athletics" earlier; tell stories about those organizations; you might describe some of the unique traditions of those Columbia organizations, such as the drama society, the band, the student paper. ---Rednblu 03:35, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Too repetitively laudatory. Plus I would like to see some balanced material about Columbia's early history. A while ago, while researching for the Five Points article, I came upon a number of partial statements from primary sources that tend to show the early financing of King's College (later Columbia U.) in a very poor light. In short, the trustees of Trinity Church on Broadway were intimately involved in some of the most egregious rent farming in early America, gouging the Irish poor of Five Points and others and using the proceeds for projects (like King's College) that almost wholly benefitted the well-to-do. The article badly needs material of this kind. JDG 15:46, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object - those pictures need copyright information. →Raul654 19:28, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
    • I do not know where they come from, I was not the one that put them in there. Ctrl_build 20:31, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
      • I have contacted a local photography student who may want to put up his pictures. Ctrl_build 20:51, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)


Anti-intellectualism

This is an excellent article about a fascinating subject. It's not beyond all POV problems, I'm afraid. Still, this has surely become one of the best articles I've ever read on here. Weasel

  • Object. This needs a history of anti-intellectualism from at least as far back as classical Greece. It does not need to begin with a section on America. What on earth does being a politically homogenous society got to do with the subject? Do you imagine that there is no anti-intellectualism in Europe or Asia? And an article with a section called Anti-intellectualism in other countries that reads:
There are, no doubt, many instances of anti-intellectualism and anti-intellectual subcultures in many other countries. People knowledgeable about these may want to add them to this article.
is nowhere near ready. Send to WP:PR Filiocht 14:54, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. For exactly the same reason as Filiocht wrote. Revth 15:03, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • it does not need to begin with a section on America... This was surely done because there exists quite a strong correlation. I didn't contribute to the article, I just thought it was very clear prose with a sound and rather fascinating line of thought. The state philosophies of all Communist countries are mentioned as European anti-intellectualism (the GDR leadership was proud to be "plain folks in a country of plain folks"), which (boldly stated) in most of Western Europe doesn't exist on such a scale as in the US (I don't have anything against the hands-on approach!). The article contains all that. I don't know about most of Asia, but the article does mention Cambodia etc.
What on earth does being a politically homogenous society got to do with the subject? Aaah, don't be nitpicking! :-) Fair enough, I didn't see that. But it's just one sentence.

Weasel (quarter past five UTC, frivolous, but I forgot how to do the timestamp)

  • Object. The lead is okay, but the whole article is poorly organized. Specifics on anti-intellectualism in different regions of the world should follow the more in-depth points on the causes of anti-intellectualism. Fairly substantial editing still needs to be done, even after the reorganization; for instance, it's a sprawling article with a lot of hypothetical wordings like "it would be said" or "the pro-Israel side would probably respond." I would probably say, if I were asked, that this sounds like a high school essay. - Karl Ward 22:04, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • I was considering (self)-nominating this one myself. (Even found some pictures). Then the interesting sections about Russia and Cambodia were added, and I tend to agree now that more could be done. OTOH, prominently featuring the USA makes sense here, if only because American anti-intellectualism has international political consequences. Smerdis of Tlön 19:11, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
So did anti-intellectualism in, for instance, the British Empire and Nazi Germany. It didn't do Socrates much good either. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a newspaper and needs to look beyond the here and now. Filiocht 13:26, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)



Smile (album)

This recently ran a course on Peer Review and came out mostly intact, with a few good copyedits and word changes. It still needs a picture; the cover of the new album is now on commercial sites but I don't know the rules for usage. Other than that I think it's ready. A partial self-nom, I suppose. The album and film are coming out early next week; dare I suggest this would be a good Main Page feature for that timeframe? Jgm 17:45, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Support. A real story. Denni☯ 23:50, 2004 Sep 25 (UTC)



William III of England

-- Emsworth 19:02, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Object, I'm afraid. While well-written as usual, I find there's not that much information about William's political career in the Netherlands. Also, parts related to the Netherlands are sometimes slightly inaccurate. For example, De Witt was not assassinated in a revolution, although he and his brother were killed by a mob. Most of the info is in the Dutch article on William, but I understand this may be difficult for you to read. Let me know if you need some help. Jeronimo 21:51, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • I have added that which I could find in the Dutch article relating to William's rule in the Netherlands (especially the intricacies relating to the post of Stadtholder). (Incidentally, the Dutch article is itself somewhat inaccurate—it states that William III became Stadtholder of Gelderland in 1672, when this occurrence did not come to pass until 1675.) Everything else in the Dutch article seems to concern the wars with Louis XIV; this information is already explored in the above nominated piece. -- Emsworth 16:34, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • I'll take a look at it later this week. Jeronimo 10:20, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, but agree with Jeronimo - it would benefit from the Netherlands information being added. Unfortunately, I don't speak Dutch either so can't check it. Zerbey 16:36, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Chesapeake and Delaware Canal

This is a self-nom that I spent considerable time editing, reformating and linking. I did not originally create the article, but rather totally reconfigured it from its original layout. The article contains a ton of information about the canal history and I would like to submit is as a featured-article. Tell me what you think. --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 17:03, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Object. My main objection is that this is mostly a rewrite of the article's only reference [1]. I'm not sure what to do with this, since the source is a US Military page, but it's a bit suspicious at least. Other than that: 1) I'd like to see a map of the canal. It's hard to get a good picture of its location and course without one. 2) It's recommended by the Manual of Style to add metric equivalents in parentheses when use imperial units (so: 1 mile (1.6 km)), and to link the first occurrence of a unit (so 10 miles). 3) The lead section should give a little more information, I think. Also, it mentions the project office and museum, which are not discussed in the remainder of the article. 4) The reference and external links sections are messy. The same link is listed twice (unnecessary), once with detailed information (but not according to MoS), once without. If possible, I'd like to see more references or recommended reading, preferably a book or article. Jeronimo 07:03, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC) (sorry, forgot to sign)
    • Thanks for the suggestions whoever you are. Please post your signature information in the future when leaving comments. I took your advise and added a map of the canal, which you were interested in. I also fixed up the reference section by ading several books and several other webpage references. Hopefully that takes care of your concerns. Any other ideas? --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 04:28, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • Yes, all my specific issues were resolved, but the main objection remains. I'm not sure what to do with this - anybody else knows what policy is (or should be) in such cases? Jeronimo 12:03, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Nicely constructed article on a topic I knew nothing about and I learned something. Not sure I understand the objection. It's a rewrite so no copyvio and the reference that is used is a good one. I always like to see print references myself, but this is not policy. At least this article gives a reference. Filiocht 11:38, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • It may not be a copyright violation, but I think it is still plagiarism. But if that is fine on Wikipedia, well, who am I to object. Jeronimo 12:05, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • To Jeronimo: It is not a copyright violation, nor is it plagerism. The article orignially posted on the Army Corps of Engineers website, where I got most of the information, is a public domain website. That is why it is not copyrighted nor is it plagarism. See article of Public domain for more information on this topic. Can you please specify what other objections you have? The reason I listed this for discussion is because regardless of where it orignially came from, it is very informative, and I did spend a lot of time tweaking it and finding other references.--ScottyBoy900Q∞ 13:47, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • I personally still think it's plagiarism, but if that's fine with Wikipedia, then my objection is void and my vote neutral. Jeronimo 10:19, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
        • Can you give any backup for why you think it is plagarism? Look at the definition of public domain. It literally can't be plagarism. Check out the countless hundreds of articles that incorporate public domain information. Are they all plagarized as well? I would just like to see this article featured, I'm not trying to say you're wrong or anything. --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 12:05, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
(Also in reply to ScottyBoy's note on my talk page:) In my dictionary, plagiarism is presenting information as if it were your own (Wikipedia's own) without attributing it properly as being taken from somewhere else. This can be true even if the original is in the public domain (if it weren't, it would also be a copyright violation). In my eyes, this article is plagiarism, since I think it is not very clear, at first sight, that this article is an adopted version of a website article. I don't think the small note at the bottom suffices for this. This is a matter of definition and interpretation, so your views may differ on this.
More important than my personal definition of "plagiarism" are the reasons why I don't like a "plagiarised"article. The risk of introducing biased views and unchecked facts is too high. Also, I myself try my best to avoid such practices (not that I don't use PD sources, but I usually try to take several, check the facts, and then write my own story). Please note that I do not "require" an article to be original research (that's something completely different), I wish it to be original writing (showing that the authors had sufficient understanding of the topic to write their own prose and give the article their own structure) or at least be based on more than one reference.
Since these views are apparently not shared by Wikipedia, there's no way for me to object. That's why I already changed my vote to neutral, which I'm repeating now. I would have voted pro if this article were original. Jeronimo 07:23, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Would I be right in saying that something being public domain is a defence to main-stream copyright infringement, but plagiarism is more about moral rights (i.e. the right of an author to be identified when his works are reproduced, and not have his reputation disparaged by derivative works which are attributed to him)? As I understand it, the US doesn't have a concept of moral rights, although the UK does now, since it was required by an EU directive. Is there an intellectual property lawyer in the house? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:45, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Okay, now that Jeronimo has decided he is neutral and not objecting, does anyone else have anymore comments before this candidate moves off the list?--ScottyBoy900Q∞ 02:21, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

History of Buddhism

Self-nom. Thanks for your comments.PHG 08:55, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

  • Intro expansion + 1st Council details. Done.PHG 12:35, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • see also formating should be in italics, not bold --Jiang 02:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Done. PHG 02:52, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Object for now. I've left questions about some puzzling parts on the talk page; also, [Image:TheravadaMap.gif] labels Malaysia as Thailand. Markalexander100 05:47, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • Corrections made. PHG 12:57, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Pictures

The first list is featured articles that do not have a picture and hence would be problematic to put on the main page. Please add pictures and then move to the second list. GFDL or PD preferred — avoid fair use images where possible (they may not be fair use on the main page).

Tangentially connected pictures may also be suitable for the main page, even if they wouldn't sit well with the article itself. Use your common sense.

These now have pictures

(talk) 15:02, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)) (don't see why not Lupin 00:37, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC))

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