Talk:Hellyer College
Non-notable high school. Another link in the chain of silly articles leading back to Thomas Hatcher. -Randwicked 11:23, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. I voted against Thomas Hatcher, Burnie High School, Neville Windsor and so on. This one however should stay. It is one of only eight public senior secondary colleges in the state. Actually I went to update and expand this article earlier, but its web site is pretty bare at the moment. -- Chuq 12:12, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Needs improving, and in the next few days. Or I'll vote delete. Average Earthman 12:48, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Chuq's argument sounds good to me, so I've changed my vote from delete to keep. I've also edited it to try to make it a passable stub. Jll 12:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. I think that it's still non-notable. --G Rutter 14:03, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Not notable. Unlikely to expand into an article. -- WOT 16:00, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Delete if not quickly improved. If there is a good article here, no hurry. It would be just as easy for Chuq or anyone else with knowledge of the school to start fresh as to use this. Jallan 17:45, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. The Recycling Troll 20:57, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar with the structure of Australia's educational system, but this seems to be what is called in the US a high school. Being only one of eight in a state does not make a high school notable DeleteDsmdgold 21:10, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- No, its not a high school. Tasmania's public schooling system has (rough guesses) probably at least a hundred high schools (7-10), and over 300 primary schools (K-6). It only has eight colleges (11-12). -- Chuq 22:43, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comment: In the U.S., that would in fact make it a high school. What you call "high schools", we would call "middle schools" or "junior high schools". College is reserved for "institutions of higher learning" (where one would get a bachelor's degree or a Ph.D.). --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 23:17, 2004 Sep 30 (UTC)
- Ahh, I was aware that your "college" was our "university", and your junior high I thought was grade 7-8. But anyway, using Tasmania as an example, we have eight colleges for a population of 470,000 (total population, not students). I'm not really sure about elsewhere in Australia either. -- Chuq 23:44, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Comment: In the U.S., that would in fact make it a high school. What you call "high schools", we would call "middle schools" or "junior high schools". College is reserved for "institutions of higher learning" (where one would get a bachelor's degree or a Ph.D.). --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 23:17, 2004 Sep 30 (UTC)
- No, its not a high school. Tasmania's public schooling system has (rough guesses) probably at least a hundred high schools (7-10), and over 300 primary schools (K-6). It only has eight colleges (11-12). -- Chuq 22:43, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- If there are only eight 11-12th year schools in Tasmania, then write an article about "colleges" in Tasmania (taking the opportunity to note briefly that it is grades 11 and 12). That would be encyclopedic, and then we could merge and redirect. [[User:Aranel|Aranel ("Sarah")]] 01:03, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Comment:
- AHD4, a dictionary of U. S. usage (and what they say corresponds with usage as I know it in the U.S.) saith:
- elementary school 1. A school for the first four to eight years of a child's formal education, often including kindergarten. 2. The first four to eight years of a child's formal education. Also called grade school, grammar school, primary school.
- middle school A school at a level between elementary and high school, typically including grades five through eight
- junior high school. A school in the U.S. system generally including the seventh, eighth, and sometimes ninth grade
- high school: A secondary school that usually includes grades 9 or 10 through 12.
- where Age = approximately grade + 5, where K = 0. I personally think of "elementary school" as K through 5 or 6, "middle school" as 6, 7, and 8, "junior high school" as 7 and 8 or 7, 8, and 9, and "high school" as 9 through 12 or 10 through 12. Local school systems tend to regard the dividing lines as being a great big deal and it's considered enormously innovative and revolutionary when a community decides to switch from, say, a "junior high school" to a "middle school" structure or vice versa. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:07, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- AHD4, a dictionary of U. S. usage (and what they say corresponds with usage as I know it in the U.S.) saith:
- Comment: I would much prefer to see an article about "secondary education in Tasmania" then a listing of an individual school. No vote yet. Article is currently low quality, BEEFSTEW points: B (1/10). If I understand that Chuq is suggesting that he's reasonably likely to work on it I'll probably vote to keep, since my big problem with school articles is that usually there is nobody able or interested in working on the article, and the stubs do not grow. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:07, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)