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Created page based on new of the title of this story in this week's Radio times (bingo99)

Which week's RT? Jackiespeel 16:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3 December 2005's judging from the page history. However, the title has been reported authoritatively from different sources since. —Wh o uk (talk) 17:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should I put the rumour about the black Dalek on... there was a black NEW dalek at the Baftas and also there's the speculation about that quote "maybe even a Dalek". It might have something to do with the cliffhanger. Its worth a mention as it was reported by the Sun, although unofficial.

Inserted! Arkracer

Ending Spoiler

Does anyone have a reference link to the supposed cliffhanger details? The only mention I've seen was a small article in the Sun, so I'm rather skeptical. --ZoraJolteon 18:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BBC quoted this- "Dave Bradley, editor of SFX Magazine, told the BBC News website there had been "a lot of rumours" regarding Piper's exit. But he said that even if Rose did meet a sticky end, the door would still be open for her to return. "No-one ever stays dead in science-fiction," he said". Which sounds like he's speculating like anything - I reckon Adric is definitely dead and ain't coming back.GraemeLeggett 11:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rose and Jackie

If Rose is gone, surely Jackie's out of the show too. Billie Piper's resignation means Camille Coduri will be redundant. Perhaps this should be added to the page? Digifiend 09:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Jackie will be the next companion. --Billpg 11:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. It's either Freema Agyeman (who appears in Army of Ghosts and Doomsday as Adeola) or Michelle Ryan, according to The Sun.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2006270818,00.html Digifiend 12:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for Jackie to remain on in some capacity or another, with or without Piper's character. (Not that I think she won't be written out at the same time as Rose, but there isn't enough evidence to support that she is leaving either) The_B 17:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Predictions

So, since it's said to be a "two-part story", I assume that "Army of Ghosts" will have something to do with "Doomsday", I'm I right? Ok, then. So, we know that ghosts are appearing on earth enmasse. It seems that people are getting used to it quickly, as one appears on Trica Goddard's show, and I'm thinking that the Eastenders directors would work ghosts into their storylines. (What's better than finishing off a dragging murder storyline than to have the deceaced pop up themselves in ghost form and point the finger at the murderer?) So, we know that ghosts are coming, but are they only human ghosts? Plenty of Darleks and Cybermen have died over the years, both on the television programs, radio shows and books made for Doctor Who. What I'm thinking, from piecing this together, is that armies of Darlek and Cybermen ghosts are coming back to try and take over earth in their ghost forms. Their hatred of everything would be enough to emotionally fuel them to do such a thing, and come into conflict with each other. Or, maybe, the Torchwood Tower is creating some sort of energy which is giving ghosts their incorpral form AND pulling the attention of alien races towards earth, i.e. Darleks and Cybermen, of which could still exist at this point in time. I'm just wondering if this may help. --D'Argent 19:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sort of correct, ghosts of dead people start to appear, Dirty Den appears in the Queen Vic and annoys Peggy, who says "The only spirits i want to serve are whisky, brandy and gin!" And a woman goes on Trisha with the slogan "I married a dead man." This also fits in with Derek Acorah appearing in the episode, a ghost detective. The plan is fronted by the Cybermen, aided by the Daleks. This was confirmed by pictures in the Daily Star on Monday, 19th June. Ian42 19:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

also... try to spell daleks right!!

Mickey & Pete

Evidence? This enough to confirm, or is this image from the trailer of Army of Ghosts too vague? (It's not my picture, but my friend who made it seems prety conivinced....) The_B 00:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly looks like them, but on its own its not really a sufficient source. There's no rush to add the information if it's not been made public. —Wh o uk (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's perfectly sufficient. A second later, you also see Jake. If they're in the episode, they should be added.--Keycard ^(talk) 07:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They certainly will turn up in Doomsday. Vitriol 01:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Synopsis

Where's this from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.28.108 (talk)

Here The_B 13:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cast for this second part

I could be wrong of course, but I think it's safe to say that characters like Adeola, as well as the cameos from Army of Ghosts, will not be appearing in Doomsday? Just wanted to check before going ahead...--Corebowe 19:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The cameos, possibly. However, we still cannot rule Adeola out, as we have to remember the alternate universe angle gives us two of nearly every character as a possibility. The_B 20:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, I think it's safe to say that from a cost angle for the BBC, they won't continue the cameos (which were literally just flicking through the television).

-- Someone's added Davros to the cast list.. do we have confirmation of this?

The Daleks and the Cybermen join forces!

"WE ARE SUPERIOR" "No. We Are More Superior Than You." "OH SHUT UP YOU TIN MAN" "Look Who's Talking. Was Your Mother A Dustbin?"

Seriously though, I would say that the Cybermen and the Daleks joining forces would be pretty lame... it puts me in mind of Mario & Sonic. Vitriol 23:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So who do Lugi and Tails pass for? Mickey and his gay buddy? Dr.R.K.Z

There's no proof they even would join forces. The Dalek's don't seem the joining type and that Cyberman could just be out of it's cybernetic mind. Besides, as the tardisode says: "We are the masters of Earth!" "Daleks conquer and destroy!"

The Daleks have used other races (e.g. Ogrons) as cannon-fodder before, and so in theory might make a deal until their numbers - there are only four of them so far - increase. But betrayal would be inevitable as soon as they were ready, and the trailer at the end of Fear Her showed battles outside of Torchwood...Lonemagpie 19:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of the number of Daleks, would the Daleks really take on the Cybermen with just four of them regardless of how powerful they are? Would they be willing to actually join with the Cybermen whilst they had such little numbers, or are there more Daleks waiting in the sphere or something?

The RT cover suggests that they are at war, yet the trailer suggests they at least try to get along.--Keycard ^(talk) 15:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd guess that the Cybermen suggest a team-up but the Daleks reject it. This fits with their respective attitudes towards things that aren't like them: the Cybermen want to change them to be like them, and the Daleks just want to destroy them. I can see them responding to each other in much the same way that they would respond to humans: Cybermen "upgrade" (or try to), but Daleks CONQUER AND DESTROY!!! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 15:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's interesting that it's not the Black Dalek who was there when the Cybermen made their offer and not the Cyberleader who made it either. I think both sides just sent envoys to meet with the other to see what the other side wanted(The Daleks weren't expecting the Cybermen and vice versa). I think it's going to end with The Dalek saying: "You propose an alliance?" the Cybermen say: "Yes" and the Dalek promptly destroys both. "Daleks do not ally, they exterminate!" Or something like that. It's a teaser, nothing more.

JUST BECAUSE there was a cyberman's voice superimposed over a scene of a dalek, saying "together we could upgrade the universe" doesn't mean that there is going to be such a scene at all; the cyberman could be talking to the doctor, or anybody, at this point in the actual episode - this is just how they collage trailers; I have my doubts as to whether this question will be posed to a dalek at all; watch the trailer closely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e3p4f-u59A&search=doctor%20who%20doomsday It quite obviously shows a separate, unconnected scene of a dalek as the cyberman is speaking. This is just to get every one stirred up. 207.202.227.125 23:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Though I suppose that the other trailer which I didn't notice before; http://www.bbc.co.uk/broadband/mediawrapper/consoles/drwhonew/bb_rm_console.shtml?pack1-13a_16x9 does show that a dalek does respond to some kind of question. 67.5.158.75 02:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genesis Arc or Ark?

Isn't Genesis Ark more likely than Arc?

Have to agree. 86.131.210.189 22:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you suppose the ark is. I reckon its Davros. All the Daleks were wiped except these four. They need Davros to create more. And Ark could be a reference to noahs ark!!

They don't need Davros to create more Daleks. These Daleks clearly have capabilities superior to all other races with that sphere of theirs, it'd be a small issue to go through the dimensions and pick up some Dalek buddies and go blow stuff up. Besides, Davros would be too far out of left field for the show they seem to be trying to make here. Daleks people recognize, they don't recognize Davros to the same extent.

The Daleks Don't need Davros as in Power of the Daleks a dalek capsule similar in size to the sphere contained a Production unit for manufacture of the Dalek casings and a laboratory for the creation of the daleks themselves, anyway if Davros does show up then these daleks will have been created by him inside this sphere (IF it is his escsape capsule)

Sounds like arc to me, as it seems more like a weapon (possible a doomsday device)--Warlorddagaz 19:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genesis ark could be a reference to Genesis of the Daleks episode--- featuring Davros!!

But this show wouldn't do something like that. This show wants to appeal to newcomers and Davros showing up would turn off viewers who haven't really falled Who history. Everyone knows about the Daleks(though their history in this show has not been commented on that heavily), most people know about the Cybermen(who were now given a different backstory, though of course the 'real' Cybermen presumably still exist somewhere), and most fans knew about Sarah and K-9. Davros just isn't that popular of a character, IMO, and with no build up at all for him it seems unlikely they'd shoehorn him in. The Genesis Ark will be something, it's just a question of what. I cannot imagine Davros showing up in this series without a buildup. So far we've only heard a brief reference of the Kaleds over the last two series and definitely nothing about a creator. I mean when Sarah said she met the Daleks, Rose said she met the Emperor, Sarah should've shot back that she met their creator, but she didn't. This show just doesn't want to get to continuity heavy right now it seems.

However Davros showed up in Genesis of the Daleks fairly unexpected. Regardless, Davros' Daleks are white & gold; ones which he had to genetically re-engineer to be loyal to his person. The mainstay Daleks, like those appearing in Army of Ghosts, are grey with black leaders; the same that opposed Davros from the beginning, possibly for not being a Dalek himself (since Davros created them to see nothing superior to their own kind), and only used him as a pawn when they were in peril. Those black & grey daleks were the Rebels in the Genesis of the Daleks episode which was Davros' final appearance thus far also, again, the kind of daleks loyal to Davros were white with gold.... HOWEVER, these Daleks came from another dimension; their origins could be from an alternate reality, as different as those of these Cybermen, Davros may not have been their creator at all in the dimension these daleks are from. 67.5.157.114 08:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hm - Davros was "unexpected" before Genesis? Well, Terry Nation didn't invent him until he was prompted to write "Genesis" - so it would be pretty hard to expect him before he existed as a concept - but then, once you see him, in his Dalek wheelchair, in a story about preventing the Dalek's creation with the word "Genesis" in its title, it's difficult not to guess who he is. If you didn't notice, the dalek's got redesigned for the new series - none of them are "white and gold Davros daleks" anymore, they're all gold. And the new series has totally ignored the last Davros story where the Doctor tricked him into destroying Skaro with the Hand of Omega - there's a whole lot of "missing" explanation for how the Daleks moved on from there into being such a force in the Universe that they could destroy the Time Lords... RTD loved the old series, but he isn't expecting his new viewers to do tonnes of Dr Who "homework" before they can enjoy the new series. PaulHammond 20:11, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HA, Daleks from another universe my ass, they were just waiting outside of Time and Space, a final resort. Wait for the episode to air before sprouting nonsense made from the last five minutes of "Army of Ghosts"

New Companion

Can we list this yet? Technically, we are making public information that is is embargoed until tommorow, and it is rather spoilerific, considering not even the Sun, that benchmark of spoilers, has picked up on the new info. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 15:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If nobody has picked up the info, we can't use it here. 24.136.38.121 16:06, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to the source of the information (which actually has no clear message, other than that at some point You-Know-Who will return as an entirely different character, and that the Xmas special contains "a surprise"), it is embargoed until 1minute past midnight tomorrow morning (UK time, presumably). Therefore it's immoral, if not illegal, for us to display it. I'm removing it on this basis.--Keycard ^(talk) 16:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On the same basis, I've removed the content of the offending page with a placeholder for it not to be edited till the time. Could an admin lock the page please? The_B 18:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's certainly not illegal, and its defitely not immoral - we aren't breaching a trust ourselves. Locking the page the other way might be more sensible, but I don't propose to do that. Further to this point, I've reverted. Please feel free to join the already existing discussion about this issue at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who rather than make unilateral changes here. Morwen - Talk 19:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not that it matters now, but the Sun made the announcement before Part 1, leading them to get a plastering for "getting it wrong" when she died.

What are the Cybermen saying?

Can anyone make out what the Cybermen are saying on the BBC Doctor Who page this week? I've listened to it over and over, and no-one else I know has been able to make it out. It sounds something like "En-mate". I'm sure it must be really obvious though, and I'll feel daft when someone says what it is. :-) --DudeGalea 18:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Delete" and "Upgrade" The_B 18:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Upgrade" I got, but "Delete"? I suppose it makes sense, but I really can't hear the initial "D"! --DudeGalea 19:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's delete. The 'D' is flattened a little by the effects, though there's a sort of *bumphf* to the beginning of the word. Problem with compressing it for Flash, I suppose. --86.144.60.11 14:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It sounded like "Eliminate" to me. PaulHammond 19:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Euthanasia?

I have changed "euthanised" to killed, as I believe euthanasia refers to the killing of an individual for their own benefit. As it does not seem obvious that the doctor killed her for her own benefit, I saw "killed" more fitting. As of my understanding, I think he killed her for the benefit of the planet, not to stop her pain.--Warlorddagaz 19:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno, the "pain" of not being in control of your own actions? The_B 19:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He killed the cybermen to prevent the suffering of the humans inside in a previous episode, so i think euthanised is better. Especially since he said "i'm sorry..."

If he was doing it for her benefit, why would he say sorry to her. The reason I saw as him killing her was to stop the ghost shift being started. However, as it is unclear, killed would be alot more accurate than eutanisised, which could be viewed as misleading.--Warlorddagaz 17:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't he say that they (the controlled humans) were already dead?

This is getting more and more "wheeeeeeeeeee" (sorry - couldn't think of a better way of describing it!). This is a fair point. Anyway - it has gone now, so unless anyone want to keep on arguing for the sake of winning (I will hapily defend my viewpoint!), we should remember that it doesn't really matter.--Warlorddagaz 19:03, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rose

I think the BBC are making it too "obvious" that Rose is going to die. And the BBC are very good at not giving things away so every time I think about it I get a nagging feeling telling me that she's not.

Firstly in an interview Billie Piper said she was quitting "for now" which would suggest it is possible that she could come back (but then again people have come back from the dead before! And if the Daleks, who I thought were wiped out of existence by the creepy-glowy-eyes-heart-of-the-TARDIS Rose at the end of the last series, then I'm sure they COULD bring a companion back from the great beyond.) Also my ideas were re-inforced by Jackie speaking of a metaphorical death of Rose ("She wouldn't be Rose anymore.") I reckon she's going to be Cybered!

And then we will have the whole 'Jackie/Doctor "You said you'd bring her back to me safely!" "I'm sorry. I'm so sorry"' moment. Of course if I am wrong then I will place an apology in full!

"With Wikipedia, We can upgrade the universe!" Muahahaha User: Dr. M. MacLain

Are we not considering how she can possibly be narrating the tale of her death if she really does die? Maybe it's a metaphor for something else...

Fictional characters do this sort of thing all the time, so it doesn't indicate anything either way. --86.144.60.11 13:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely a metaphor or an making something dramatic. Maybe the Doctor, with the mental effect of having Companions stay with him until they die, thinks "Hey, it's got really dangerous now for Rose with all this Daleks and Cybermen around. I think I should leave her here to live out the rest of her live in peace rather than end up on the business end of a Cybermen's gun" and drops her. Then, for some reason, he takes the character Freema Agyeman will be playing (A different one to the one that died last episode) with him for the third series. --D'Argent 12:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I support this idea to an extent, thinking about the introduction to Army of Ghosts. She says how her life was going nowhere before she found the Doctor, and in the episode she repeats this sentiment when telling her mother "I used to work in a shop!"

--It could well be a metaphorical death, but I doubt she would let the doctor leave her behind just to keep her safe. We'll have to wait and see. however, maybe the BBC are making it obvious so they surprise us when she doesn't actually die. Oh - and what's with the beach?--Warlorddagaz 19:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering about Rose and the beach - if she is now recalling the killing of the Emperor Dalek... perhaps she isn't Rose... but something acting through her? would account for her body in one place and her mind elsewhere... the Tardis perhaps? 81.179.70.11 22:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They were quite careful with the voiceovers at the beginning of "Army of Ghosts" - she said "This is the planet where I was born, and this is where I died" (which is cheated by making sure the Doctor explicitly mentions the fact that, so far as "original" Earth is concerned, she is listed as one of the dead). In hindsight, it *is* a little obvious that when you've got parallels coming back into this Earth, and there's a chance of a ready-made family on parallel-world and a good reason why she couldn't stay with the Doctor, she had to be left in parallel-Earth. Anyone else finding themselves reminded of the end of Philip Pullman's trilogy, where Lyra and Will come from parallel worlds, but have to close the rifts between worlds for a good in-story reason leaving the lovers divided at the end? PaulHammond 19:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Somthing I've been thinking of is Rose possibly becoming involved in Torchwood...

Perhaps the metaphor points to an emotional death, perhaps the death of Jackie, Mickey or Pete will cause the "death" of her joy. 81.77.142.117 09:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that Rose will 'die' die, mainly because I remember reading that Russel T. Davis said that they would leave the door open for her to return. And since we saw her looking very bleak and wearing almost all black (a sign of mourning) at the start of Army of Ghosts, I don't think she will 'die' die. Ixistant 16:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3d glasses

Just found this site -how many different types -thoughts on why they're so important -methinks they're either to do with seing other worlds/dimensions etc or hold a clue in defeating cybermen remember - doctor thinks at this point all daleks are dead - but cybermen around - ) http://www.berezin.com/3D/3dglasses.htm [please remove link if not allowed - as not on main article and not actually promoting site, just wanted to demonstrate variety!] Crescent 22:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rose remembering destroying the Dalek Emperor 'discrepancy'

Surely the Doctor just told her what happened? :P

I agree. I don't see the discrepancy. Just because she didn't remember immediately after it happened (which is to be expected, she was coming out of an altered state of consciousness) doesn't mean once she regained her composure that she didn't remember all the physical happenings around her, although that's not to say she retained the knowledge of the time vortex itself, but what she did and what actions she took. 207.202.227.125 23:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It did seem a bit inconsistent to me, but she could have been told be the doctor. Or maybe we will find out tonight...--Warlorddagaz 15:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pete Tyler

So, what do people think about Pete Tyler's appearance in the trailer? At least, I think it's him. He does seem to have a slight Ross Kemp vibe to him - "This is our world. And you're going to listen for once." Who do we suppose this is said to? Matthew Platts 13:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gotta be the Doctor.

He will be saying it to the CyberLeader or a normal Cyberman.

Dalek thing

Am I wrong or is that 'third Dalek' we see from the sphere actually the Genesis Ark, assuming what we think is the Genesis Ark is the Genesis Ark?

One of teaser trailers shows four Daleks surrounding the Genesis Ark. —Wh o uk (talk) 14:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is it not possible that the Ark is used to create more Daleks and the fourth Dalek was just created, though?

Anything's possible. (It is entirely possible that I am not a human being, but a highly evolved bicycle.) We'll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, I'm refilling my tyres. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, do you wheelie think so? --DudeGalea 17:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quite possible. Best to wait and see, as always. —Wh o uk(talk) 19:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would assume there are 4 Daleks though, mainly as the Wallpaper for the upcoming episode (and the front page) shows four Daleks. Although I reckon the Genesis Ark appear from the Sphere later. Another point could be that simply Torchwood picked it up, not knowing what it was (remember they did seem to reference this fact quite a lot in Army of Ghosts) and the Daleks have arrived to take it back, setting the events in motion. My two pennies worth anyway... The_B 22:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Ark is Davros

Wrong.

Only 35 minutes left until all is revealed. I'm almost peeing myself with anticipation. Well, maybe that's a bit strong, but... -195.93.21.3 17:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DAMN that was good. I'm still in tears... Kinitawowi 18:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When the Doctor opened the Breach to suck all the Daleks and Cybermen into the void, didn't I notice the leader Dalek say something like "initiate emegency temporal shift" and vanish? Did this Dalek escape or get sucked into the void with the others? -195.93.21.3 19:35, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure 'he' escaped, leaving RTD with yet another excuse for bringing back the Dalek(s)--Corebowe 19:39, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely! There's no way the doctor can finally eliminate all the daleks in the universe, after RTD and everyone made such an effort to bring them back with cool new superpowers (so, now dalek's can use their plungers to suck memories out of a living human brain, huh?) PaulHammond 19:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not only memories, either. They perform plastic surgery so you look like Davros, too --Gomez 20:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As he simply vanished, I am pretty sure he got away. I actually though they would show him re-appear somewhere, as a cliffhanger. The runaway bride was a bit an anti climax. --Gomez 19:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does my face look bovvered? PaulHammond 19:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Black Dalek got away, but did the Genesis Ark disappear also?--United Kingdom thegreatloofa^(talk) 20:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, you can see the Genesis Ark being pulled away (towards the Void hole) when the Black Dalek disappears. --Gomez 20:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All of which rather poses the question: why didn't the TARDIS fall through the breach...?

A great episode on the whole. Some of the argumentative robotic dialogue between Daleks and Cybermen was classic (Dalek: "WE HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ELEGANCE!!!" Cyberman: "THAT IS OBVIOUS." etc) Funny stuff...-195.93.21.3 19:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Plot needs reworking

A lot of the plot details happens to be rather confused chronologically. I am attempting to rework it. So bare with me.

195.92.168.169 20:36, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's actually me, sorry! :)

SSJ Undertaker 20:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Geography

If the fjord is a real fjord, we should have an article on it. Beware when checking, however, that the BBC has been quietly seeding the web with "dårlig ulv" since 2005. An actual atlas will be a better research tool. Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 20:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Zilch in the Phillip's World Atlas. --Lady BlahDeBlah 21:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And introducing...

Do we need the "And introducing" bit in the cast list? Why can't we just have "The Bride - Catherine Tate"? smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 21:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]