User talk:IZAK

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Occupation pages

IZAK, please please please withdraw these pages. Evil begets evil. They are only answers to the "Occupation of Palestine" debate which might actually be reaching an amicable solution. These belong in the respective history pages. This tit-for-tat approach will ruin (this area of) Wikipedia, which is not in great shape to start with. Gadykozma 17:33, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

IZAK, please keep going with these pages. Good begets good (with apologies to Gadykozma). Many people in the English-speaking West have the impression that the only significant or ongoing "occupation" in the world is Israel "occupying" Gaza & West Bank. Please write about Syrian occupation of Lebanon next! --Uncle Ed 17:54, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm IZAK 18:08, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

IZAK, I will make another appeal and I promise it will be the last. In other areas of Wikipedia people see well-written papers and they imitate. In this area of Wikipedia people see a bad POV-full page that was voted against by 70% of the voters in a VfD vote, and they imitate it... Do you really think Occupation of Palestine is a model page that should be replicated? Gadykozma 01:06, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• I am having great trouble following your reasoning. The "Occupation of Palestine" (if used as a description for the modern State of Israel) ONLY exists in the minds of some deluded Arabs and Anti-Semites. The State of Israel is a 100% internationally acceptable and legitimate state, it is not "occupying" anything, as "Palestine" was previously a League of Nations British Mandate, and before that it belonged to the Ottoman Empire for over four hundred years. The Arabs were not given Israel and Israel does not "occupy" Arab land. It is Arab propaganda that manufactures these lies. But we must recognize that the term "Occupation" is nevertheless used by some in the world who cannot accept Israel's legitimacy as an independent Jewish state. So, that being the case, and if the "Occupation of Palestine" is what they want to call Jewish Israel, then by the same token and using the same argument, we can and should begin to look at any other types of "occupation" and see whether they are similar or different than the very term used by Israel's enemies. Thus, lo and behold, the ARABS themselves, and many other countries as well, are guilty of the very same thing they accuse Israel of doing, and the Occupation of the Gaza Strip by Egypt and Occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem by Jordan are important factual articles that shed light on how Arab states themselves accupied the Gaza Strip and the West Bank (areas designated by the United Nations for a Palestinian Arab state). And, most significantly of all, during the twenty or so years that Egypt and Jordan controlled and ruled over the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, NEVER did they call for or create a Palestinian state in those areas they occupied! On the contrary, they actually governed Gaza and the West Bank as vassal provinces on the verge of annexation. All we are doing is stating the facts in a NPOV fashion. IZAK 16:36, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

IZAK, Wikipedia is not about NPOV. Its about bringing users information which is interesting, clear, well written, meaningfully organized, and NPOV. These pages do not violate NPOV policy, but they violate all the rest. Gadykozma 02:15, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Jordan annexed East Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1950

See: http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_jordan_annex.php

"What did the Arabs do about Jordan's annexation of the parts of Palestine they captured?: In April 1950, Jordan annexed eastern Jerusalem (dividing the city for the first time in its history) and the "West Bank" areas in historical Judea and Samaria that Trans-Jordan had occupied by military force in 1948 (Jordan changed its name to Trans-Jordan in April 1949). On April 24, 1950, the Jordan House of Deputies and House of Notables, in a joint session, adopted a Resolution making the West Bank and Jerusalem part of Jordan. This act had no basis in international law; it was only the de facto act of Trans-Jordan as a conquerer. The other Arab countries denied formal recognition of the Jordanian move and only two governments - Great Britain and Pakistan - formally recognized the Jordanian takeover. The rest of the world, including the United States, never did...." IZAK 06:07, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

List of Jewish Nobel Prize winners

You might be interested in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of Jewish Nobel Prize winners. -Udzu 09:57, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. The whole vote is a stupid mistake, as I have indicated on that page. You can't "vote" Jews out of existence in any case... IZAK 18:11, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

OOP

Please have a look at the Occupation of Palestine article when you get a chance. I have twice reverted HistoryBuffEr POV insertions and revisions to the last revision by Ed Poor. Also, see his comments on the talk page. His current revision to the article is far from neutral. --Viriditas 05:10, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Violence against Israel pages

IZAK, I just want to point out to you, all races on this planet have been persecuted at one point or another, not just the Jews. Please do not use Wikipedia as your political mouthpiece, it's meant to be an encyclopedia. --SpaceMonkey 09:26, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Noone is denying all races on the planet their voice. Why you feel the need to make this comment is most bewildering. Jews are often the targets of Anti-Semitism or are you denying that as well? IZAK 08:36, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

IZAK, I suggest that (with SpaceMonkey's consent) you remove the personal attack from the VFD page. You will also notice that the page is unlikely to survive in its present form... JFW | T@lk 10:13, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• IZAK, I'm going to very, very strongly suggest that, in the future, you make no accusations that any Wikipedia editors are anti-Semitic. In the past you have thrown that accusation around extremely freely, and it only hurts your cause. If you find your fingers typing such an accusation in the future, please reconsider posting, as many times as it takes until you finally delete the accusation and deal with the articles themselves, and not ad hominems about the editors. Jayjg 19:14, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I go by the theory that "if it sounds like a duck, talks like a duck, and makes comments like a duck, it's a......duck". Are you suggesting that Anti-Semitism is "acceptable" on Wikipedia, or that one should turn the proverbial "blind-eye" to it? What you are saying will only encourage harsher rhetoric against Jews on Wikipedia, so I urge YOU and others to speak out more forcefully against hate speech against Jews, in its modern guise of "anti-Israel" or "anti-Zionist" lies and distortions, that unfortunately do tend to make their appearance on Wikipedia, and which need to be called for what they are. IZAK 20:03, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately you have displayed a dismaying inability to distinguish ducks from chickens, turkeys, and other domesticated birds. There is no need to call people anti-Semites, regardless of whether or not it is true; these statements are ad hominem and only distract from the actual issues at hand. Stick to editing the articles to NPOV, there's no need to pass judgement on the editors, and it does far more harm than good. I'm trying to help you here, IZAK, not criticise you. Jayjg 21:28, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yea, lots of chickens and turkeys are also around, that's true...IZAK 21:31, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Genocide against Israelis in the form of Suicide Bombers

Looking for your support against User:Bsktcase on page Genocides in history regarding breach of genocide convention against Israelis. Please support the NPOV article posted and help keep it there. Evolver of Borg

Feast of Tabernacles entry and redirect

Hello IZAK,

I did not intend to tread on your toes by the addition of the link. I added an explanation as to why I had done this on the discussion page. The reason why I ended up on that page was in trying to link "Feast" or "Festival of Tabernacles" and I discovered that there was an existing redirect to that page. I have been building various radio broadcasting pages tied to "Pirate Radio" and offshore broadcasting and this is how Armstrong and the Worldwide Church of God ties in. While editing the page on Big Sandy Texas to include a paragraph about Ambassador College which used to be located there, I also added comments about the financial impact that the Worldwide Church of God had on the community every year by celebrating the Feast of Tabernacles. So that is the whole story. I would like to have some basic explanation as to what the foundation for their Feast of Tabernacles was, even if it was a varient from the Jewish festival itself. As I stated, I am not trying to cause problems here, I am merely trying to cross reference material. I would appreciate your views on this. Thanks. MPLX/MH 18:22, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)