Talk:Shunpiking

Removal of Shunpiking details

I have no problem with the article as it originally stood, as a definition of shunpiking and an explanation of historical practice, but as it stands now the article is too much of a howto. Would there be any objection to just excising the howto material? If no one objects in a few days I'll take it out. Night Gyr 22:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I object, for one. The fact that specific information is provided on where Shunpiking is taking place only makes the article that much more relevant. If anything should be done, the info should be ported over to the individual highway pages, with an appropriate link back to Shunpiking. Just removing the data into the bit bucket would be vandalism (in my eyes). Alansohn 22:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also object. The information is relevant, and also would see it as vandalism. --71Demon 21:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I object but differ some in my opinion, as I think each subject is relevant enough for its own article. For now, they should definitely stay. --Caponer 23:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC) --Caponer 23:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it would be best to link to an external website, or as the previous person commented on having their own article. I had just updated a section with another alternate route avoiding the Delaware and Susquehana tolls. Rather than continue adding to the page, it may be useful to mention that it's possible to travel from Washington to New York without paying any tolls. Which I won't get into now. Also the U.S. 40 bridge over the Susquehana River, you can purchase a sticker for $5.00 and it is good for one year, allowing unlimited travel over the bridge, providing for a smaller detour.

I think the topic of "shunpiking" itself is definitely article-worthy. Andy Saunders 18:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is an interesting question. I think the specific shunpiking routes are certainly woth putting someplace. On the other hand, they are howto info, and they also probably constitute "original research," since the contributors have presumably driven over the alternate routes. On the other hand, they look funny somehow as parts of the articles on the roads they shunpike--someone had an Ohio Turnpike shunpike recently, and it looked unusual as part of that article. It would have made more sense on this page. Maybe these should all stay here where they are. I can't think of anything better.--Dr-t 15:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)Dr-T[reply]

How about wikibooks? I don't think the paragraphs on "How to Shunpike" are appropriate for wikipedia, though the concept itself of shunpiking is certainly worthy. Perhaps the individual how-to's could be placed in wikibooks? PKirlin 22:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where shunpiking is impossible

One bit of discussion missing from this article (and I don't know enough about the subject to add it myself) is about when shunpiking is rendered impossible by either the state or by geography, i.e. when a city or region can only be accessed via toll roads. (The moral implication of this might be worth addressing too though it might be hard to maintain NPOV). A few days ago it was proposed by an official with the public transportation authority in Vancouver, BC that all bridges in the Lower Mainland become toll bridges (new and old). If this were to happen (it's pretty unlikely), the city of Vancouver (among others) would become inaccessible by road without paying a toll, no shunpiking possible (unless one used a mode of transportation other than vehicle). Aren't all of Manhattan's bridge connectors toll roads, too? 23skidoo 06:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]