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This band is not punk or pop punk

I have heard many people say simple plan has denied being punk or pop punk or any other form of it. Can someone please show me a source for this so we can end this stupid debate?--Terronez 18:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is my understanding that the band has declined to characterize itself. However, there are many sources that describe SP as pop punk. Just google "pop punk simple plan". There are few that describe it as pop rock, or emo, or whetever else it is claimed to be by people who don't like the word punk, however modified, describing SP.--Wehwalt 18:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Most people who say that base it off the fact that they toured with bands like Good Charlotte, who at the most dresses a little punk... They're music is not punk. It doesn't sound punk. Clothes and "fans" do not make a band punk or emo. They are simply rock or pop rock.--Terronez 04:12, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, with respect, what you are expressing is mostly your personal opinion and judgment, plus trying to explain away the sources. WP is, to a certain extent, a distillation of what is out there on the Web. For now, the consensus of sources on the Web says SP is pop punk.--Wehwalt 08:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to know what exactly it is that makes the band punk or pop punk... The music played is not pop punk. I'll say it again, clothes and "fans" do not make a band punk--Terronez 02:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. I don't know how to define a genre. But it is not your opinion or mine that counts. It is the sources, and they generally describe SP as pop punk.--Wehwalt 03:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have an idea... All these bands that almost every punk says are posers should start there own genre... Like nu-punk or whatever. There's certainly a punk influence there, but the band itself is not actually punk. That's how Linkin Park kept people liking them, and it would stop all these arguments...--Terronez 07:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed Criticisms

Let's run this by you guys, feedback and POV editing please... I was blocked by some foaming-at-the-mouth Simple Plan fan for editing this in after he took it out. broke 3RR he says. anyways, let's get some consensus. please verify:

Although Simple Plan maintains a devoted following and has produced two multiplatinum records with numerous hit singles, it remains one of the most bashed rock groups of recent time. The band is particularly hounded by devoted fans of the punk movement, and is frequently accused of being a pop-punk band although they describe themselves otherwise. Moreover, the juvenile subject matter of their work prompts further accusations due to the fact that its members are approaching their 30s. Many identify Simple Plan as evidence of the shameless corporatization of rock and roll music in the relentless efforts of record companies to exploit every possible commercial demographic. Nevertheless, the members of Simple Plan have stated quite clearly that they enjoy the backlash of critics, as they believe in the old adage, "all publicity is good publicity," and they will never stop doing what they love.www.sonicbreakdown.com/artistDetails.do?selectedArtistId=16039 In addition, the group continues to enjoy considerable mainstream success, as evidence by the aforementioned record sales.

  • I have reverted the page after the vandalism... (again). I think its obvious that this page needs a criticisms section. the page is hit by vandals every fucking week

Pictures?

Why are people always deleating the pictures of Simple Plan? before there was a picture & now there isnt. >:/

Is that the picture I added? Stoyce

Pop or pop punk?

Considering its roots, I have that doubt... cause they have a pseudo-punk looking... right?

well, thanks, Greedyredbag 23:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Simple Plan are pop, I dont see how they could be considered pop-punk or any form of punk

Nothing about Simple Plan's music sounds remotely punk--Terronez 18:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Individual Band Members

The articles on the individual band members (Charles Comeau, Pierre Bouvier, Jeff Stinco, David Desrosiers, and Sebastien Lefebvre) are largely redundant with one another and some contain quite trivial information (favorite colors, etc.) that sounds rather fannish. I plan to merge and redirect all of those articles into this one and excise the trivial stuff. Sebastien Lefebvre is on VfD currently and I will wait until that discussion closes to perform the redirect of that article (assuming the consensus is to merge). android↔talk 02:39, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Heart removing....

It's ok to remove those awkward hearts? I think they don't fit with the Wikipedia look... and they're unnecessary... --Greedy 21:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

They're gone. Embarrassing; it made the article look as though it was written by a fifteen-year old girl with a crush on the band. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Horizontal rule

The horizontal rule is hideous and should remain deleted. I have never seen a disambig notice at the top of an article with a horizontal rule. Please do not "rollback" my removal of it as if it were vandalism. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 11:37, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

  1. I give reasons for my reverts when a reason is given for the original edit. Why you associate the rollback with vandalism I've no idea
    I associate the rollback with vandalism because the purpose of the rollback is to combat vandalism, and it is inappropriate to use it to revert edits you simply disagree with. I believe this is common practice on Wikipedia. See here, here and here for examples of others who state this. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:25, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  2. The claim that it looks hideous is at best exaggerated; it's certainly a matter of taste. It can be seen on many articles, and no-one else seems to share your aesthetic response.
    I believe plenty of people share my aesthetic response, but since Simple Plan is the only article I follow where you insist on doing this, I won't press the issue further. If I notice you adding the hr to the disambig notices in a large number of articles, or to a template such as Template:For, then I will press the issue at that time. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:25, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
  3. The rule serves a useful purpose in keeping the disambiguation notice clearly separated from the article, to which it is irrelevant. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:29, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I like the horizontal rule, but Template:For is used on about 50 pages, and it has no horizontal rule. It would look like the following on this article:

For the 1993 novel and 1998 film, see A Simple Plan.

This should probably be discussed at the template's talk page, as consistency is a good thing in disambig notices, no? AиDя01DTALKEMAIL 17:47, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

It looks like Mel has posted there. We'll see what people think. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 22:25, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
It was pointed out (perfectly correctly) that, if the line is made part of the template, then double uses will end up separated by the line, which would be a Bad Thing. There's no objection to following it with a horizontal line, it just can't be done in the template. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:37, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

_____ rock band

Okay, we've got several different anonymous users changing the description in the intro of which particular subgenre of music this band belongs to. Unless someone can come up with a definitive source that describes Simple Plan as pop-punk, punk, emo, death polka, etc., this should remain as "rock band". I don't have the time at the moment to look for such a source, but I will later. android79 14:49, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

"rock band" is a perfectly appropriate description and should remain, as all the specific sub-genres are subjectvie and subject to interpretation. The body of the article can address the style of rock music they play. Jgm 16:35, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is clear that Simple Plan is a pop-punk band. It is not a punk, it is pop-punk. Deal with it. All reliable sources (f.e. All Music Guide) claim they are a pop-punk band. - Darwinek 20:11, 4 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I guess I can "deal with" that. android79 17:28, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
:) - Darwinek 17:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I would say punk-pop just to stay nuetral, but no matter what they are, they still suck in my opinion :) Protozoic Waste

Emo fits perfectly. Carolaman 23:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Screeching Weasel are pop-punk. Simple Plan are pop. --Switch 05:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simple Plan is not emo or any form of punk. I wouldn't even list them as rock but I guess I could live with it...--Terronez 19:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-- Sebastien Lefebvre isn't the son of Mylon LeFebvre is he? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 06:32, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Individual band members redux

Once again, we do not need articles on the individual band members, especially if they include such trivia as each members' favorite color. This is an encyclopedia, not a teen magazine. android79 01:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

punk rock

english

ok now i want to know why their english is so good. being both from montreal, why does Gilles Duceppe have a much heavier accent in comparison to simple plan?

I think Simple Plan is such a cool band. Their lyrics are just awesome and they talk about stuff that us teens can really relate to like"Perfect" and "Welcome to my Life". The band is just totally awesome!!!

Yeah, Simple Plan has toured all over America so they have to have good english, and when you grow up in Montreal, you learn english and french. Did you know some of their songs are sung (and recorded) in french too?

Actually, none of SP's songs are in French. When they tour in French speaking areas, they talk to the crowd in French.

As for their English, most of them went to a private high school in Montreal which is fairly bilingual in teaching. David Desrosiers is the exception to that, and his English isn't as good as the others, as he grew up near Gaspe.Wehwalt 22:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah most Quebecers know english and french as well as a lot of Ontarians in the vicinity of Quebec.

I happen to go to a lot of the band's shows, and I assure you, Quebeckers outside the major cities, and away from the US or Ontario border, are not fluent in English. When SP played Chicoutimi and Rimouski, almost no one spoke any English--Chuck Comeau commented on it in an interview, in fact.--Wehwalt 10:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Criticisms section

This article needs one. Simple Plan is one of of the most bashed bands in recent history, as you could see by the constant vandalism. Carolaman 03:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simple Plan is sweet!

The section about criticism of the band isn't very accurate. Their most recent album was not "critically panned" - it received "generally positive" reviews according to Metacritic, a website that combines reviews and scores from leading critics and publications:

www.metacritic.com/music/artists/simpleplan/stillnotgettingany

There are a couple of negative reviews out there, but this is hardly a hated group.

Hardly a hated group? Hell no. They're despised. --Switch 05:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discography Charting

Those chart numbers are pretty whack. According to Billboard.com, "Addicted" made it to #45, "Welcome to My Life" hit #40, "Untitled" reached #49, and "Shut Up" only charted at #99. "Crazy" and "I'm Just a Kid" never charted on the Hot 100, and there's definitely no position #261. The only correct one listed is "I'd Do Anything" at #51. Maybe these are positions from the Modern Rock charts or some other chart, but they shouldn't be listed as they currently are. Anyone else agree?

Anyway, I trust Billboard, so I'm gonna go ahead and make the change. Especially as "Crazy" has gotten very little airplay around here and I really doubt that it ever reached #7.
I found out where most of those incorrect numbers are from ... ARC Top 40. If someone wants to list those numbers they can as long as they make that distinction. Still, though, "Crazy" only hit #33 on ARC, so where that #7 came from I'm still not sure.

Emo fad

Anyone opposed to putting the emo fad thats going on, with the song untitled attached to it?

Could you provide some references? And also sign your contributions?--Gary 20:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, i wasn't able to sign in. ytmnd.com/list/?search=emo < about 90% of these sites have the simple plan song untitled. Here is a specific example : emooranges.ytmnd.com/ Jackpot Den 01:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe list one of the sites as an outside resource? I don't think a description of the emo fad is in place in a band article. I don't think much of the idea, but if you want to give it a try, go ahead and see what the reaction is. It may not last. SP may have haters here, but they also have passionate defenders.--Wehwalt 02:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who thinks simple plan are just some emo band?

I personally think that Simple plan are emo kids who think "Oh, school is for dumbasses who have no life!" or "Life sucks!" and i think emo kids would think "It's fun to smoke marijuana." Well, i personally think they are Emo kids, but do their kind really think that life sucks and the only way to make it the least bit good is to sniff cocaine or smoke marijuana?

Is emo music, suicide, and drug abuse a fad in 2000-present? If so, i'd rather be out than in!

Can you point to somewhere in Simple Plan's work where they promote either suicide or drug use?--Wehwalt 07:28, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simple Plan is not emo... Tell me one of there songs that is even remotely emo and I'll listen to it and see, but so far nothing I have heard makes me think that they are emo, or any other form of rock.--Terronez

Emo in

Yep, i put Simple Plan into the Emo section. Genre(s) say they're Emo, and Pop Punk now all thanks to me. I always thought they were just a regular Pop Punk band, u know emulating Blink 182 or even that punk band that sings "It's all downhill from here", but then on Anzac day my friend said that they're emo because "they're too emotional", and other friend said they are emo, and I was like "they don't dress emo, they dress in punk fashion", and then he replied "they're tryhards", and I was like "yup yup" agreed. Darkroom Danny 06:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks, that gave me a laugh! Seriously, though, the discussion upthread was--if you want to describe the band as such and such a type, what you do is cite a source. The sources generally say pop punk, not emo, so until someone comes along with a sources saying emo (not two friends talking), we keep it this way!--Wehwalt 21:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Propose block

Virtually every day, I or some other user must spend time reverting this article. Therefore, I'd like (I'm not sure on the procedure) to propose that this article not be allowed to be edited by new or unregistered users.--Wehwalt 18:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I posted a request for semi-page protection at WP:RPP. GilliamJF 18:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, they turned us down. Guess we will just have to stay on the ball.--Wehwalt 18:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there is always vandalism from peeps who hate simple plan :( 144.137.190.12 07:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop saying this band is punk

Go listen to some real punk, kiddies, SP is a dumbed down MTV pop punk band, not punk rock, at all.

Personally, I agree with you. I do not think that Simple Plan is punk; in fact, I get insulted when people say it is. This is Alternative. I AM NOT PUNK, and neither is Simple Plan, but it's still good music. It's catchy and clever, and still would be even if the band members were hideous. And if you people hate Simple Plan, why are you even looking up the band?

I have wikipedia's interests at heart, I seek for accuracy, not in the name of such a worthless, forgettable band, but in the name of both this website, and of true punk rock that doesn't deserve being related to a band like this at all, it offends me. ~Anonymous

Simple Plan is just pop. Pop Punk would be bands like the Buzzcocks, Vanilla Muffins, and The Queers.

  • Yeah I agree with you Simple Plan isn't really punk...Maybe they claim to be (I don't know)...Maybe they're punk in their heart, listen, love real punk bands and did punk music (I didn't hear Reset...Maybe it was punk but actually their music and, sorry, but even their clothes aren't punk (wearing skateboarding shoes isn't necessary punk). They're pop-rock.......People here say: sources like All music Guide say that they are punk...Yeah maybe but very often sources like radios and newspapers consider all skinheads as nazis...I don't think that medias are good sources when it's about subcultures. And remember: often punk=anti-medias & anti-establishment...If bands like NOFX refuse that radios play their music how can these radios can say what is punk? I live in Quebec city and I can say that here, radios like Choix Radio X (big capitalist mentality) and Radio Canada (government's radio)cannot even tell what is punk. I've never heard something like Subhumans or Oxymoron at radio...Oh yeah sometimes you can hear Rock the Casbah by the Clash...(the more pop song that they did) and you can hear American Idiot by Green Day (not the others Lps) or some songs on the last album of Blink 182...And how can you say that big corporations (that own radios) can tell what is it when at the shopping center, I can see, in a big record store like HMV, ska like Madness, The Specials and The Selecter classified punk??? Hey! and in Simple Plan's music where is the spirit of DIY and think by yourself, the anger about our society or even the mad fun of singing with humour grosse and/or stupid lyrics that would shock anybody exept weird teenagers????!!! Are they even true rebels??? NO! So I think that maybe people or themselve label Simple Plan as punk but they are not.And if everyone wants to cassify them as punk at least PLEASE put pop before and revival after punk rock...


Pop punk revival

All right finally I changed punk rock into Pop punk revival....really...it was annoying me...I think that's the name of the genre we should give to that group....It's not like old pop-punk like the Buzzcocks so it's revival...."The Pop-punk revival is a mainstream rock music movement, which was more prevelent in California during the 1990s and early 2000s" it's fine with me....and it's true...So Simple plan would be a second wave pop punk revival group....(my god what a name!)

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