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Something Awful Forums

This seems far far too small a subject and far too localized to justify such a massive article on Wikipedia. Considering other major forums like GameFAQs, etc. are only described briefly in their parent article, this doesn't really belong as very nonencyclopedic.--Etaonish 20:57, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete and Redirect: I quite agree. Let the Something Awful article serve, if service is needed. We're not in the business of being a web guide, or a TV guide, or a record guide, IMO. Geogre 21:13, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. This used to be a large part of the Something Awful article. It got too big; it was split. Now you propose shoving it back in again. Nothing doing. There is far, far too much information to merge, which is why it was split in the first place. --Golbez 21:16, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge/redirect. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 21:29, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
  • Kill it. Delete. Non-encylopedic l33t wanking over distinctly non-funny or important forum. Oh, and tl;dr . Terrapin 21:33, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Major forum with a lot of information in the article. - RedWordSmith 21:39, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Incredibly, Wikipedia doesn't just cover stuff that you, personally, are interested in. --Twinxor 21:46, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • We've had a lot of these lately, where a few users decide that having a quality article on a niche topic is somehow unnacceptable, and then everyone rushes to defend it. Whatever what you think of Wikipedia's scope, it's not useful to have a detailed, well-written article deleted. --Twinxor 22:19, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • Amazingly enough, I've proposed one VfD so far. This one. I don't do this to any article I don't care about: I do this to any article that I feel is nonencyclopedic and quite useless to Wikipedia as a whole. How many people do you think would genuinely care about this? We've had the same debate over the GameFAQs forum histories: that eventually was completely deleted over my objections. If GameFAQs doesn't deserve it, what makes you think SA is so important that they warrant a special wiki entry? It's not even close to being one of the more active message boards online anyway. Plus, your argument can be applied to anything: you should also argue for the inclusion of a hyperdetailed article on my personal life under Edward Fu. It can be a quality article on a niche topic, but it's unacceptable all the same. --Etaonish 01:01, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
        • This isn't about GameFAQs. It's about Something Awful Forums, like the big bar at the top of the edit box says. --Golbez 01:07, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
          • Congratulations for not being able to pick up any analogy at all, and also for completely ignoring everything else I had said. "If GameFAQs doesn't deserve it, what makes you think SA is so important that they warrant a special wiki entry?" Considering not even Slashdot gets this much coverage. --Etaonish 01:38, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
            • There is no analogy with GameFAQs. GameFAQs is a bunch of 12-year-olds trading catchphrases and potty humour; Something Awful is extremely intellectual (check out their Debate & Discussion forum) and produces a lot of content. Ashibaka ✎ 12:08, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
              • Who died and appointed you to judge whether or not an internet forum is "intellectual" vs "12-year-olds"? The two are equal in activity, the only objective criteria that matters. Not to mention what a gross stereotype you cling to. (Oh, and, by the way, you don't seem to realize that anyone under 13 is banned from GameFAQs due to federal law)--Etaonish 13:09, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
        • I don't really understant – as a result of losing the GameFAQs battle, you decided to go delete other stuff? The thing is, encyclopedic-ness is pretty subjective. Seems to me that SA is one of the more influential forums out there, as evidenced by the memes it spawns and the thousands who have paid for membership. --Twinxor 03:09, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
            • Face reality: SA is NOT highly important to the Internet's community. Alexa ranking of 4608 for the main site? Also, you've misunderstood me: I learned from the GameFAQs battle exactly why our large articles were considered inappropriate for Wikipedia. That's why I've carried it over to this article: it's a waste of resources to list every single forum in all of SA. Encyclopedicness is actually rather objective: In 100 years, will anyone care about FYAD 2.0? You also never answered my post earlier.--Etaonish 13:09, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Very significant web forum and too large to properly merge. --Goobergunch 21:57, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Significant forum, well written article, too big to merge. --Neschek 22:11, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge only the content above the ToC into the Something Awful article, then redirect. -Sean Curtin 01:14, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, and start enforcing the guidelines about what should be listed for deletion. Mark Richards 03:17, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not notable. --Improv 04:18, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep as some of the most notable forums on the internet. —siroχo 04:54, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge / Redirect back into Something Awful. It's pretty pathetic, in a way, that a website can have two fairly lengthy articles written about it that are larger than some articles about major cities. Additionally, articles that contain large indexes of "common terms from the website" don't seem to be very "encyclopedic" in the strictest sense.. many of the terms listed are common on a variety of message boards, not just exclusively SAForums (many of them are used routinely on FARK and others). To those who say "too large to merge", maybe the article on Something Awful needs to be shorter in general.. Wikipedia Is Not A Webguide. --feedle 05:56, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, strongly. Possibly the most famous, notorious, and notable internet forums. (For the record, I'm not a user there, so I have no vested interest, not that anyone was accusing.) Well-written and extensive articles on niche, fringe, and pop-culture topics are one of the major things which make IMO Wikipedia a superior reference tool to Britannica, et al. Gamaliel 06:34, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is ridiculous. This is the most famous and popular Internet forum in the United States, and if 2ch deserves an article for being the most famous in Japan, then SA certainly deserves an article too. Ashibaka ✎ 12:04, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • To both of you above: does 2ch have a subsection on all of its forums? I'm not asking for the SA article to be deleted: I'm asking for that useless stack of SA forum descriptions (FYAD 2.0, for example) to be removed as unencyclopedic. In addition, it is NOT the most famous and popular Internet forum. Strictly based on posts, it has ~19 million compared to ~18 million for GameFAQs; its Alexa ranking is 4608 while GameFAQs is 791.--Etaonish 13:09, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: Most of the non-Keep comments are comparing the article with others on Wikipedia. So far as I know, this is not how VfD works. VfD looks at each article on its own merits, not compared with others. We don't say "Well all the other articles on X subject are stub-length, so why should this get two full-sized articles," or "Its Alexa rating is lower than other sites, therefore its article must be smaller." We use independent thought and judge each article on its own merits. Just because SA has more text dedicated to it than most major cities is not a reason for deletion - it's a reason for you to stop complaining and add more information to those cities. --Golbez 14:09, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Actually, I am measuring it on its own merits by comparing it to other sites. GameFAQs was cut down after a long debate; since it is more important than SA therefore SA should be cut down. Makes sense to me. Plus, the reason the city articles are shorter than SA isn't because the city articles are bad or short at all, it's because SA is disproportionately long. That's the key: compared to other worthwhile subjects, the SA forums is too detailed on too small a subject matter.
      • Above was said by Etaonish. BTW, since when did # of bytes said on a particular subject equate with the importance of said subject? --Golbez 15:10, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep: I've heard of Something Awful for years -- it's been floating around on the periphery of my Net conciousness for as long as I can remember. I read this article with interest. It explains a lot about a Web site and set of forums that has a lot of saturation around the Web. I see value here, if only for the fact that I personally found it valuable and I'm as typical a Net surfer as you're gonna find. --Deane 15:42, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep: The article is too large to re-merge with the main article. --Mr VacBob
  • Delete: fancruft. Wile E. Heresiarch 15:53, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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