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Australian City WikiProjects
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Archives
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Aussie Stubs
Template:Australia-stub can be added to Australia-specific stubs by the {{australia-stub}} tag. Don't forget to specialise stub notices if you can.--ZayZayEM 08:10, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
City naming conventions
I'd like to invite everyone to look and comment at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names)#Naming convention for Australia (take 2) -- Chuq 23:37, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I present you you all my first Australian article :). It needs work, particularly on the advocacy of the Australian government in international trade reform and the future challenges needs expansion. Please take a look and add or subtract as you see fit--nixie 13:02, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Hey, good work! that's an area we were very much in need of having an article. Now if we can expand this and put some nice pictures in, I reckon we have the beginnings of a featured article. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:57, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Very good! Done some minor tweaks with wikilinks (more the merrier!!! - I'm sure I'll piss someone off eventually). But now I really must get off to bed (this is so much worse than SparkNotes)--ZayZayEM 15:04, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- The Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry has a bunch of free photos, I haven't quite got the hang of inserting them into text in an appealing way yet --nixie 23:21, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Excellent start in a desperately needed area! Thanks, nixie. Ambi 07:32, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
ACOTW
Someone look at my message on [[Talk:WP:ACOTW|the ACOTW Talk Page]] please. I'm confused, and I don't like it.--ZayZayEM 00:37, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I'm confused as well :P -- Chuq 03:22, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- As am I, and I started it! Look, we're a bit disorganised at the moment. If people could be patient (or better yet - help out!) then I'll get it sorted once I get over my depression. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:37, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
i think that because we are at the moment a reasonably small subset of wikipedians, that we should change it to ACOTF (ie. fortnight). Its too big a task for just a week. I mentioned this before but no one commented. Any thoughts?
The bellman 11:30, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I don't think that's necessary just yet. Let's just have this particular one go for a fortnight. If we find this is a recurring problem, then make it permanent. Ambi 12:33, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- While it seems a possibility, what I feel is that interest soon peters out after a week (or a few days). Its not like you can't edit outside of its ACOTW nomination.--ZayZayEM 05:17, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been less bold with some articles that are current nominees, on the grounds that somebody else is likely to fix it soon, which is obviously a bad sentiment to foster. (In other words, I really have more important things to do and I feel guilty depriving others of the fun when I'm not meant to be spending time here!) Mark Hurd 10:41, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Smoking reform
I'd like to plug the facts about the recent anti-smoking laws into an article somewhere. Tobacco smoking has a "legal issues" section, but I thought something like Health in Australia, Smoking in Australia or Smoking reform in Australia might be more appropriate - none of those articles exist, but are there any other suggestions? -- Chuq 03:22, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Excellent idea! That is, both the recent anti-smoking laws and the idea of plugging them into an article are excellent ideas! (POV warning! POV warning!) I'm assuming that there's nothing beyond the "Legal issues" section of Tobacco smoking in Wikipedia at the moment? I guess it just needs a good name (I would suggest making it smoking specific, if we get a Health in Australia article up then smoking can get a paragraph and a link in that), then a link added to Tobacco smoking. —Stormie 04:15, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
- Or, even better, have Smoking in Australia or Smoking reform in Australia as a summary style subset of Health in Australia! Ambi 07:32, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Useful data for a Health in Australia page can be found here:[54]. The morbidity data make a strong case for the smoking bans. I also noticed that the Medicare (Australia) is specific to government funded health care, mabe it should be renamed to Health care Australia and info on private health care added.--nixie 03:31, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- But Medicare is only government funded health care! Isn't it? - Ta bu shi da yu 03:19, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- My point is that there in nothing on private health care in Australia. Stick the private healh info wherever, I just though a more comprehensive way to do it would be to expand and rename the medicare article--nixie 03:22, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Up for adminship
Lupo put me up for adminship. I invite everyone here to vote and comment - both kudos and brickbats are welcome! - Ta bu shi da yu 09:34, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The Age's 150 Influential Lives
Today's The Age newspaper has a list of 150 influential Melburnians. Of course, it's largely Melbourne-centric, but regardless, virtually all of these should probably have articles. I'm posting it here because quite a few have broader significance outside Melbourne. So, without further ado (and with those that I didn't think were notable for our purposes people removed) -
David Collins, colonist, Charles La Trobe, superintendent of Port Phillip, John Batman, founder of Melbourne, James Blackburn, surveyor, John Pascoe Fawkner, other founder of Melbourne, Robert Hoddle, surveyor, Carlo Catani, engineer, Alfred Deakin, politician, James Esmond, gold prospector, Hugh McKay, inventor and businessman, Fred Walker, creator of Vegemite, Graham Kennedy, TV host, Maureen Wheeler and Tony Wheeler, founders of Lonely Planet, Jean Blackburn, creator of the Victorian Certificate of Education, Bert Newton, TV host, James Williamson, theatre owner and producer, Michael Gudinski, founder of Mushroom Records, George Fairfax, arts administrator, William Foster and Ralph Foster, brewers, Arthur Russell, founder of Hoyts Cinemas, Reg Ansett, airline tycoon, Hector Crawford, television producer, Lew Bandt, designer of the ute, Ron Tudor, record producer, Thomas Finnigan, founder of Malvern Star, William Wardell, architect, Roy Grounds, architect, Joseph Reed and Frederick Barnes, architects, John Truscott, architect, Germaine Greer, feminist, Beatrice Faust, feminist, Beryl Baurepaire, community lobbyist, Peter Singer, philosopher, Tim Costello, minister, Reg Saunders, first Aboriginal army officer, Edward Dunlop, war hero, Doug Nicholls, footballer and Aboriginal activist, Norm Gallagher, head of the BLF, Caroline Chisholm, social rights campaigner, David Penington, academic, John Brosnan, chaplain at Pentridge and campaigner for prison reform, Stephanie Alexander, chef and author, Mietta O'Donnell, chef and author, John Reed and Sunday Reed, arts patrons and founders of Heide, Percy Grainger, composer, Michael Leunig, cartoonist, Barry Humphries, comedian, Nick Cave, musician, Fred Schepisi, film director, Gillian Armstrong, film director, David Williamson, playwright, Nellie Melba, opera singer, Paul Kelly, musician, Helen Garner, author and feminist, John Brack, painter, Mirka Mora, painter, Fred Williams, painter, Joan Linday, author, Marcus Clarke, author, Tom Roberts, painter, Stephen Bennett, founder of Country Road, Prue Acton, designer, Joseph Saba, designer, Alfred Felton, responsible for the Felton Bequest, Elisabeth Murdoch, philanthropist, MacPherson Robertson, philanthropist, Redmond Barry, judge who sentenced Ned Kelly to death, Richard Pratt, businessman, Vida Goldstein, feminist, Evan Walker, historic buildings activist and politician, Merv Godfrey, creator of the Melway (and thus, Sydway and Brisway) street directories, Eric Westbrook, arts administrator, Theo Sidiropoulous, politician, Horace Petty, state housing minister and champion of the Housing Commission high-rises, Rupert Hamer, former Victorian premier, Gordon Trinca, road safety campaigner, William Barak, early Aboriginal leader, Peter Lalor, Eureka Stockade leader, Bruce Ruxton, former head of the RSL, Jeff Kennett, former Victorian premier, Daniel Mannix, prominent archbishop, Joan Kirner, former Victorian premier and Emily's List Australia activist, David Marriner, developer and theatre proprietor, Keith Murdoch, newspaperman and father of Rupert, George Adams, founder of Tattersalls, Bruce Mathieson, pokie king, Helena Rubinstein, cosmetics entrepreneur, David Syme, activist and Age proprietor, John Gandel, billionaire, Bruno Grollo and Rino Grollo, developers, Sidney Myer, founder of Myer, Graeme Clark, creator of the bionic ear, Gustav Nossal, scientist and former Australian of the Year, Constance Stone, first Australian female registered doctor, Carl Wood and Alan Trounson, IVF pioneers, Peter Doherty, scientist, Jean McNamara and Frank Macfarlane Burnet, scientists, Thomas Wills, drew up the first set of rules for Australian football, Daniel Campbell, founded the MCG, Frank Beaurepaire, Olympic swimmer and businessman, Ross Oakley, former AFL boss, Ron Walker, businessman
- I notice a few of these have Tasmanian significance - David Collins, John Batman and George Adams (businessman) - in fact the two of these that don't exist, I have had on my mental to-do list for a while! -- Chuq 10:58, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Speaking of influential Melbournians, does any know anything about the Hall family, they endowed the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute in 1915--nixie 13:35, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
An excellent list, all of whom should be done (although some will be difficult) and some of whom have been on my to-do list for some time. I have fixed a few spellings. John Reed needs to be disambiguated. Adam 02:38, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Category naming convention
- Category:Premiers of South Australia
- Category:Queensland Premiers
- Category:New South Wales Premiers
- Category:Australian Governors-General
- Category:Governors of New South Wales
Which naming style should we go with? "Place-ish persons", or "Persons of Place"? —Stormie 03:56, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to go "Persons of Place". Less confusion about adjectives (New South Welsh? Taswegian? Victorian - era or state?). "Place-ish persons" seems to imply that they were born in that state, which may not necessarily be the case. -- Chuq 04:01, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I prefer "Persons of Place" too, e.g. Premiers of South Australia. -- Nickj 04:21, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- ditto--ZayZayEM 05:22, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Cool, I agree with you all. Unfortunately I created Category:Queensland Premiers and Category:New South Wales Premiers before I thought about it. Oops! —Stormie 05:49, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
Serves you all right for not sticking with Premiers of New South Wales, Governors of New South Wales, etc etc, all of which I created months ago. Adam 09:15, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Ouch. That seems a bit harsh, considering that the person who created the category may not have know that these existed. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:17, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Well, I knew the articles existed, that's what I was going through to categorise everyone! I'm not sure what I was thinking with the categories. It seems I created both Category:New South Wales Premiers and Category:Governors of New South Wales - I must have been on drugs. —Stormie 09:37, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
- Marijuana or Cocaine? =P Ta bu shi da yu 11:31, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Lists of MPs
Sorry for taking over this section, Ambi! -- Chuq
Handling by-elections
Now that Adam's set up lists for the new lower and upper house, we now have (IMO sensible) naming conventions for them. But I'm still not quite sure how to handle MPs who've resigned and been replaced during their term. Any ideas? Ambi 08:57, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Mention them both in the respective article, along with a footnote detailed the situation (resignation, death, etc and the date) -- Chuq 10:59, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- And list both in the table itself? Ambi 11:00, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Maybe list the first elected, and mention the second one to the right. Or list them both in the same row of the table. (What I'm getting at, is don't have both of them in the table at separate locations - otherwise someone scanning down the list for a certain electorate will find one of them, but may not go on looking for the other)! -- Chuq 00:02, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Hm. What I was thinking of doing was listing them seperately, with a star or something next to their name, and then a footnote explaining the situation. Ambi 02:04, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Maybe list the first elected, and mention the second one to the right. Or list them both in the same row of the table. (What I'm getting at, is don't have both of them in the table at separate locations - otherwise someone scanning down the list for a certain electorate will find one of them, but may not go on looking for the other)! -- Chuq 00:02, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- And list both in the table itself? Ambi 11:00, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
'current' redirects
The lists are currently at:
- Members of the Australian House of Representatives, 2001-2004
- Members of the Australian House of Representatives, 2004-2007
- Members of the Australian Senate, 2002-2005
- Members of the Australian Senate, 2005-2008
I suggest that
..be disambiguation pages, and..
..be redirects that can be changed to the current term as needed.
I noticed this when I was editing articles to bypass the redirects - the ones that were created when the articles were moved to their new names. Some of the articles refer to "current" (which varies, of course) and some refer to the particular term, giving me the idea of the "current term" redirects. -- Chuq 00:32, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Navigation template
Members of the Australian Parliament | ||
House of Representatives | ||
Senate |
I was going to do a small template to help navigate between the MP lists (see to the right). Do people:
- Not like it
- Think it should have just the previous/next like the example shown
- Think it should have links to all other parliaments
I have approximated the dates so that politicians elected at the same election are above/below each other on the table. Would the fact that the senate and HR elections don't always align cause a problem? -- Chuq 00:32, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I think that's an excellent idea. I also wouldn't mind having footer boxes for "Member for XXXX", like we currently do with offices such as party leaders. Ambi 02:06, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Tables
Last of all, please see my tables at Wikipedia:Australian wikipedians' notice board/Complete to-do/Politicians#Tables -- Chuq 05:45, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Cyclone Tracy due for front page
Our handiwork is currently due for the front page on October 18. Just thought I'd give you all some notice! Ambi 04:52, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Woohoo! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:20, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
...is a candidate for featured status and needs a lot of work on the Australian/NZ aspects. I've done a bit, but being a sandgroper I don't speak RL fluently. Can anyone lend a hand? Grant65 (Talk) 05:57, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
The Age's 150 Champions
Sportspeople this time. Once again, thought I'd put this up here. I'll leave it here for a few days in case anyone's interested, and then sort it into one of the subpages. Some of these may have articles; some may need to be disambiguated, and as they're sports articles, there's every chance that if they do exist, they're lousy. Ambi 12:41, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hubert Opperman, cycling, Keith Miller, cricket, Les Darcy, boxing, Evonne Goolagong Cawley, tennis, Peter Thomson, golf, Betty Cuthbert, athletics, Dally Messenger, rugby league, Andrew Gaze, basketball, Haydn Bunton, Australian rules, Ian Thorpe, swimming, Heather McKay, squash, Walter Lindrum, billiards, Ken Rosewall, tennis, Karrie Webb, golf, Herb Elliot, athletics, Dick Reynolds, Australian rules, Rod Laver, tennis, Kostya Tszyu, boxing, Donald Bradman, cricket, Phil Anderson, cycling, Ron Clarke, athletics, David Campese, rugby, Victor Trumper, cricket, Murray Rose, swimming, Marjorie Jackson, athletics, Bob Skilton, Australian rules, Bart Cummings, horse training, John Eales, rugby, Kieran Perkins, swimming, Shane Gould, swimming, Mick Doohan, motorcycling, Tommy Smith, horse training, Scobie Breasley, jockey, Greg Norman, golf, Phar Lap, horse racing, Ted Whitten, Australian rules, Gary Ablett, Australian rules, Margaret Court, tennis, Roy Higgins, horse racing, Mark Richards, surfing, Jack Brabham, motor racing, Lew Hoad, tennis, Layne Beachley, surfing, Dennis Lillee, cricket, Shane Warne, cricket, Leigh Matthews, Australian rules, Cathy Freeman, athletics, Dawn Fraser, swimming, Russell Mockridge, cycling, Shirley Strickland, athletics, John Landy, athletics, Peter Brock, motor racing, Raelene Boyle, athletics, Bill O'Reilly, cricket, Pat Rafter, tennis, Ron Barassi, Australian rules, Lionel Rose, boxing, John Newcombe, tennis, Susie O'Neill, swimming, Melbourne Cricket Ground
Other things we may need articles on, as highlighted in these Age thingies
Christine Nixon, Victorian police commissioner, Robert Hughes, art critic, Rene Rivkin, stockbroker, Dylan Lewis, television presenter, Gretel Killeen, television presenter, Kay Nesbit, anti-crime campaigner, David Gulpilil, actor, Garry McDonald, comedian, Carl Williams, gangland figure, World Economic Forum meeting of 2000 and accompanying protests, Jason South, award-winning photojournalist, Jason Moran, gangland figure, Kirstie Marshall, skiier-cum-MP, Geoff Clark, former ATSIC boss, Ali Bakhtiyari, controversial refugee, Faraday school abduction (or alternative name), HMAS Melbourne and HMAS Voyager collision (or alternative name),
National living treasures
Given these lists from The Age, we ought to ensure there's an entry for each of our national living treasures. Mark Hurd 05:59, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- See also Australian Living Treasures. ;) Ambi 06:26, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Update on Strathfield article
Hello all,
Just a quick update on my Municipality of Strathfield article I've been working on: I'd say it's about 25% done. I've got lots more history, I've added a state electoral boundaries map and included information about the geography of the municipality. I've yet to get a map that shows the area that the LGA itself covers, however I should do this soon. I've also added one table from the Census on breakdown of religion in the LGA. I'll be adding more tables soon. After this I'm going to create a Strathfield, New South Wales (suburb) article that details local landmarks (need to get some pictures!) and give information about the local schools, etc.
Any comments for the main LGA article however?
Ta bu shi da yu 06:58, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hiatus
I'm going to disappear for the next month while I study for my final VCE exams, but if I'm needed, I'm only an email away.
If anyone's interested, I've got a half-finished list of MPs from 1996 to 1998 at User:Ambi/Drafts. It's done as far down as De-Anne Kelly - the second half needs finishing, and who is and isn't an Hon needs checking. I'd appreciate if someone could finish it off - if not, I'll do so myself at the end of November. Ambi 09:54, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Hey good luck! Is the VCE like NSW's HSC? Incidently, didn't realise you were still at school! - Ta bu shi da yu 10:18, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
ARIAs by Year
I'm putting up the ARIA winners of 2004 under Australian Recording Industry Association Music Awards of 2004 after the show is finished. I'm gonna use a bit of the grammy articles as templates for nomenclature and categorisation. Noone is laughing at Rove's jokes.--ZayZayEM 10:52, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm also struck by a sudden confusion as to wether its ARIA (A = Award), or ARIA award (A = Association), or now my brother tells me ARIA music awards (as opposed to ARIA sporting awards?? - this does seem to be what the venue has on the walls, so I've switched to it). Damn you confusing acronyms, maybe I should create "pointy glass shiny music award" article. --ZZ
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