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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Kilrati (talk | contribs) at 17:49, 29 July 2006. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

So San is offensive? Wetman 07:51, 3 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty sure. - Nat Krause 08:06, 3 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely. San comes from the neighbouring Nama, and means outsider. thefamouseccles 10:00, 8 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Reason for revert

The info added by User:Chueyjoo (who hasn't contributed to any other article except Assata Shakur on 29 May 2005, also involving a possible copyvio) is quite dodgy, which I've reverted wholesale:

  • Image:Bushmen1.jpg is a possible copyvio, which I've tagged and added to WP:PUI.
  • "Bushmen are known to be shorter than other ethnic africans, and they usually have asiatic oval eyes." — while I could be swayed for the 'shorter' attribute, I'm not biting the 'asiatic oval eyes'. I'd like to see a cite of some sort of medical text before we re-add this.
  • Nelson Mandela most definitely was not a bushman; he was (and still is) Xhosa.

Dewet 20:50, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Are they farmers,Nomadic Hurders or Hunter Gatherers? 

                                     -Jason
Well, traditionally they're hunter-gatherers, but for information about how most of them live today, I suggest you read this article. Click here for the full text. Cheers. —Khoikhoi 02:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

!Kung

My understanding is that !Kung is one of the languages spoken by the Bushmen; the article on the !Kung language refers to it being spoken by "perhaps 15,000 Saan". As such, where does !Kung people fit in? Should there be a merge?

I confess I have no idea at all, but hopefully someone here knows what's up. The article is currently unwatched, so thought I'd bring it to someone's attention. Thanks all. Shimgray | talk | 20:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that the !Kung are probably a sub-group of the Bushmen, correct me if I'm wrong. It should probably be made clear on that article. --Khoikhoi 22:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Different groups, different names

The group of bushmen in the Nyae Nyae region of Namibia definitely called themselves "Bushmen" when I was there in 2000 and again in 2005.

My understanding is that the group in Botswana (where I have not been) prefer to call themselves "San".

The article does not address the current economy. Many people believe that the bushmen still live as hunter gatherers (which was stated as a claim in "The Gods Must be Crazy"). This is most emphatically not true and not possible given the relatively small area that the bushmen are allowed to occupy in Nyae Nyae. I think this point, among others, should be stated in the article.

Cre 21:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Bushmen and !Kung people?

Shouldnt the !Kung article be merged to Bushmen. !Kung people consists mostly of a cut-n-paste of someone's essay, and !Kung are Bushmen. --Ezeu 02:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The !Kung language article suggests that this is a subgroup. --Henrygb 13:52, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the !Kung are definitely a sub-group of the Bushmen. Also, here's a paragraph from the !Kung language article:
!Kung is endangered, along with most other Khoisan languages, because of encroaching Bantu and Khoi cultures. The Herero and Nama languages are becoming more commonly spoken among the Kung-ekoka, and the hunter-gatherer way of life that is typical of the Khoisan-speaking peoples is being eroded by Bantu and Khoi farming settlements.
Since they are neither Bantu nor Khoi, this can only suggest that they are a Bushmen tribe. I support the merge. --Khoikhoi 18:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image from s:The New Students Reference Book

Here is a link to a picture you might want to use when this article expands further: Image:NSRW Africa Bushman Woman.png.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 22:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheap shots

I am a decendant of the nation known as The Bushman.We go by the term Coloureds now,because we wear Fancy dress and can speak English.I would like to congratulate the degenerate wankers who hide behind cryptic nicks on a job well done.Your vandalism of this page and unprovoked slander is a fine testament to the perils of idle time and not so idle hands.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Theospeak (talk • contribs)

That's quite a sweeping statement. Why don't you (since the onus rests on yourself) tell us what's wrong, or even better, fix it yourself? It's no help making personal attacks on other contributors and vague accusations. dewet|✉ 05:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The descendant of the nation is probably a Bastar of Rehobath. What he (she) didn't say, is that there were thirty odd racial classifications in South West Africa, before it became independent. !Kung, and their relatives had their own classification, which was not one of the ten or so "Coloured" classifications.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.40.54.252 (talk) 16 June 2006

Image

For those who want to spend some time... a user on Flickr has this set of photos licensed as CC-BY-SA-2.0 which means they can be uploaded to the commons for our use here... gren グレン 23:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

article needs more historic data

this people has a significant cultural heritage of an important early civilization. who can help to expand this theme? ive started a section on history. regards Covalent 05:05, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

article is not to wikipedia standards

I have added the standard template because sections of the article are to encycopedic standard.

For exemple this paragraph: Another great problem is regards to hunting. This area contains two obvious dilemmas. Number one ; the Bushmen of the Kalahari and elsewhere are persecuted and in Botswana imprisoned and even tortured for hunting; a traditional right since thousands of years before the present colonists ever arrived; this is a travesty of justice, but the second point of injustice is that American and other tourists travel to various southern African countries and go on hunting holidays! Not only is this an insult since Bushmen wish to hunt respectfully for survival and the maintenance of their traditional life, one of the oldest on the planet , but these foreign, 'sport ' hunters have been indiscriminately hunting such game as Eland and Kudu-game sacred to Bushmen and in the case of the Eland for example, a creature of supreme importance, not only culturally and spiritually as is the Kudu, but in the ecology of the land , as according to Bushman lore, Eland are related to the bringing of/ coming of the rains.

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