Talk:Lists of men's association football players

Why was this page moved? What about American football players? Are they to be listed here too? --mav

Football is the world's game, and is at football, American football is at American football. So the list for football players is now consistent. You yourself moved it to list of famous football players, it was only moved to Association football an hour or so ago. Mintguy 01:21 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

Why is this page called 'football' players when it actually only deals with soccer? Football does not mean soccer, nor does it mean just American football. The name football is used in many countries to describe many different ball-based sports. For example, Association Football (soccer), American football, Rugby football, gaelic football, etc etc. If this site is not intended to cover every code worldwide that is known colloqually as football in each state, and is only intended to refer to soccer, it should be called 'List of soccer players'. JTD 01:40 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

No no no no no. It is not soccer. Soccer is a slang term, Like rugger. The the game as codified by the English football association and became known as association football, soccer is a slang contraction of association. The sport is known as football all around,the world e.g (Fußball, Voetbal etc..) Even the French call it football. Mintguy

Incorrect.

• To Americans, football means only one thing, American football
• To Irish people. football means only one thing, Gaelic Football.
• To Australians, football means only one thing, Australian Rules football
• Ditto in many other states who have their own sports called 'football'.
• When British people talk of Association football, they use the word soccer interchangably with football.

Furthermore, according to the Oxford dictionary in front of me:

soccer noun, Association football. 

So there is no way this page can be described simply as football. Either it should be soccer, which as the dictionary makes clear, isn't slang (and nothing like 'rugger') or Association Football, not football. JTD 01:57 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

This page was quite happily residing at list of famous football players until about 2 hours ago. It was unnecessarily moved. You can have your Gaelic football etc... soccer is a contraction of Assocation football and rugger is a contraction of Rugby football. We don't list Rugby football under rugger. The sport of football is described at football, Gaelic football at gaelic football you can have list of gaelic football players but this page is consistent with having football at football, and I will not accept a move to soccer or anthing else. Mintguy

If the page is to stay here (and I don't offer an opinion on whether it should or not), there should be links to lists of players of other forms of football at the top of the page (in much the say way as football has links to other forms). --Camembert

What do you mean you will not accept a move to soccer or anything else? Surely it isn't up to you. But it is BLATENTLY ABSURD to use a term that so clearly has so many meanings to Wiki users around the world. Sometimes Wiki can be infuriatingly American-orientated, but that last thing it needs is when it comes to sport to be Anglo-centric. If you expect Australians not to use football but Austalian Rules Football, rugby followers not to use football but Rugby Football, Irish football fans to call their sport Gaelic Football, why shouldn't British football also be called its official name, Association Football. Or soccer, which it is also called worldwide. The word 'football' is not, never has been and never will be, the property of Association Football. JTD 02:19 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

There is no article in the French wikipedia called Assocation foootball or anything similar. There is an article on football and it is about football. The germans have an article on fussball etc.. The world sport is football. These other games you mention are played in isolated places, Gaelic football is little played outside of Ireland and similarly for aussie rules. The world name for the game is not association football. Fifa don't use that term. The world-wide name for the game is football and not soccer or assocation football. Mintguy

Again incorrect. Gaelic football is played in Ireland, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Chile and the United States. Australian Rules Football is also played internationally, with a special mix of Australian Rules and Gaelic football played internationally as an international rules series. A couple of weeks ago I had a chat with some german fans of the sport you wish to call 'football', while on a visit to Frankfurt. They called it soccer. French and Belgian friends of mine also call the sport both soccer and football. So your idea that football is instantly recognised as meaning association football is a gross simplification. At the very least, you should create a distinction by referring to it as [Football (soccer)]. JTD 02:35 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

The world's governing bodies use the word football in almost every case. Even in Ireland it is called 'The Irish Football Association' (not soccer). The mexicans call their organization the Mexican Football Federation. In Africa it's CAF the F being football. In Asia we have the Asian football federation. In Bosnia we have the football Federation of Bosnia Herzegovina. Mintguy

Since American football is located at, well, American football, the list of its famous players should be at List of American football players. But then we're going to need a separate list of List of Canadian football players, though they will overlap in places. -- Zoe

That STILL does not mean that entire word identifies the word soccer with football because in many many countries it does not mean that. And by the way, the Irish Football Association is not the name of the soccer organising body in Ireland. It is the Football Association of Ireland (FAI). And the sport it regulates is generally known as SOCCER. (The Irish Football Association runs soccer in Northern Ireland, where it is also sometimes called soccer, as elsewhere in Europe!) JTD 02:55 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)