User talk:RichardF/Archive/Archive 4

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Template:User Wheaten(s)

Many thanks for the suggestion - I have done as you asked. -- DBD 22:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Is that your dog? I'm the mutt lover. Rfrisbie^talk 23:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Standardized test

As an expert, can you help improve this page? It's full of uncited material that may not be true. Thank you! Chris53516 16:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chris53516, I wouldn't say I'm an "expect." I'm more like a "recovering former user." I like what you've been doing to that group of articles. I'll pitch in here and there if I think of a good reference, etc. Regards, Rfrisbie^talk 16:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

From the archive, you said: "My doctorate is in Educational Leadership with a specialty in educational evaluation. I've worked in the field for the past 20+ years."[1] (emphasis added). If you're not an expert, I don't know what one is. Chris53516 16:53, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

After working under real testing and measurement experts, I know I'm not one - too esoteric for me! But like I said, I'll help out where I can see some value to be added. Rfrisbie^talk 17:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Userbox

I just made another userbox: {{User:Rfrisbie/Userbox/No trade with animals}} before noticing you moved the other boxes. Feel free to move this as well. Since you appear to be interested in education as well I'd appreciate your comment on some ideas I wrote down. --Fasten 18:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I've moved the box. As far as some ideas go, they might be adding up to "quite a few"! Do you have anything specific in mind what you're looking for? Rfrisbie^talk 18:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Looking for? - You mean any particular question to you concerning my text? One question could be: Is promoting a theory of mind in pupils and educating pupils to be pedagogues as a means of socialization a topic that deserves further attention (in detail) or is this, for some reason, intentionally not a part of formal education? --Fasten 16:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, like that. I'm really not well-versed on the subject, but Howard Gardner's Theory of multiple intelligences might relate in some way to theory of mind. Project Zero is one approach to addressing such issues through formal education, usually in alternative and/or magnet schools. I hope this helps. Rfrisbie^talk 16:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Bypassing GRBGUS

You missed bypassing the links to User talk:GRBerry/German userbox solution. Of course, they are from two of your talk page archives, so you might not care that much, but they are needed for completeness. GRBerry 22:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Didn't miss, just not finished! Rfrisbie^talk 22:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

There!! (What were we talking about? ;-) Rfrisbie^talk 22:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Pug User Box

Hey, I would be happy to move my pug userbox to my own space and in fact would like the experience of doing it myself. Can it wait till next week? I really want to finish up another wikiproject I'm working on.--Dr who1975 19:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure. Rfrisbie^talk 20:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Question?

Excuse me, but what have you done to my userpage? This really wierd thing has popped since you edited my page and I don't like it. Please fix it. loulou 20:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi loulou, it was just a coincidence that I updated your "caring cat" box about the same time an admin deleted your "pre-teen" box and left the "really weird thing" in its place. I put a comment around the problem so you can see where it is. You might want to just delete that line. Regards, Rfrisbie^talk 20:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry about the accusation. I just didn't see the Admin on my page history. Do you know why they deleted the preteen box? loulou 21:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, it was an honest mistake. The admin's action didn't show up on your talk page. You have to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_pre-teen and here [2] to see what happened. Not the easiest thing to follow, is it? Rfrisbie^talk 21:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Just changed the wikilink to full URL to prevent your talk page from showing on What links here of deleted template.--Andeh 22:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Mistake

Sorry about reverting your addition of a cat to Bhajan. However, may I point out that technically Bhajan is a Hindi term whereas Bhajana is the Sanskrit term. The meaning in each language is also slightly different. In Sanskrit it means worshipping God in general while in Hindi it is more specific, chanting/praising to God with a religious song. But I guess it is alright to have the cat because Bhajan is still derived from Sanskrit. Gizza^{Chat ©} 13:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a Sanskrit scholar, so I only can go by what I've read here and there. English translations and spellings of Eastern words don't help much either, especially since so many Hindi and Urdu (?) words are derived from Sanskrit. Personally, I find the "a" present or absent at the end of many words, e.g., yog/yoga, to be so close in meaning, I almost always think of them as the same thing. As far of different meanings, I think of them like English words with subtle but different variations. Maybe you could add the spelling distinctions and meanings to the introductory paragraph of Bhajan. I've seen similar notes in other articles where this type of modern language derivation from Sanskrit applies. Thanks again. Regards, Rfrisbie^talk 13:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Siamese owner

You wrote:

Bastique, Are you interested in moving this template to your userspace? I'm going to nominate Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets for deletion. Rfrisbie^talk 03:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

While I'd certainly rather have the Userbox in my userspace rather than see it deleted, I'm completely befuddled as to the intent. Rule number one of WP:GUS clearly states If it ain't broke, don't fix it. In other words, there has never been a controversy regarding the nature of one's pets, why in the world is there a need to Userfy them? As an admin who has been privy to userbox conversations both on site and off, I've never heard of any issue with the pet userboxes. Why cause problems where there are none? Bastique▼^parler _voir 16:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I was opposed to the eviction of userboxes from template space altogether. However, that's not how things have played out. What I see from Wikipedia:German userbox solution/Userbox location straw poll is an emerging consensus that, "What's good for the goose, is good for the gander." Interest userboxes generally are not seen as "hard-core" encyclopedic topics. Of the thousands of links I've redirected, very few users have objected. You have been one of the most notable exceptions. By putting Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets up for deletion, we'll have a chance to see where the community stands at this point, particular since other pages already have been deleted. Rfrisbie^talk 16:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Userbox Bypassing

In the future DO NOT change anything on my main page. It is NOT Rfrisbie's Userspace, It is MINE! I take it as a violation, and do consider it vandalism! You shouldn't be doing it on my page, or anyone else's!

Please see this regarding editing other users userpages.

That being said (calming down) if you feel I need to change something, ask me first before barging into my house and rearranging my furniture.

I do understand there is some crazy little controversy regarding Userboxes, and German Userboxes. However, I don't quite understand what the whole thing is about frankly, despite what this says. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Z-vap (talk • contribs)

And to quote from User_pages#Ownership_and_editing_of_pages_in_the_user_space

As a tradition, Wikipedia offers wide latitude to users to manage their user space as they see fit. However, pages in user space still do belong to the community. (emphasis added)

I'm sorry you object to the userbox migration, but it is what it is. If I need to edit other userpages to move things forward, so be it. Rfrisbie^talk 17:14, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Religion

While, in general, I am AGAINST the GUS, I also concede the point about religion (and controversial politics, for that matter), as per Wikipedia:Jimbo on Userboxes. As such, to hopefully settle things down, and stop the continuing of moving/deletion of topical preference userboxes, I've been working on emptying Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion. Religion only has 3 left, then we "could" nominate it for deletion. I've tagged all three for userification. - Jc37 09:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I moved the boxes. I'll redirect the links later. Rfrisbie^talk 11:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

This will make Wikipedia:Userboxes/Religion and Wikipedia:Userboxes/Regional Politics empty of user boxes. We need to find a friendly admins who might delete. : )

- Jc37 11:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Xaosflux and Cyde have been deleting boxes on request. Do you want to ask one of them? Rfrisbie^talk 11:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

As Cyde has been shown to, umm... let's say dislike, userboxes, I don't know if he's the one to ask. I don't know anything about xaosflux, except having seen the name at times. - Jc37 11:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

That's why Cyde is so willing. Xaosflux hosts the sexuality directory and started Category talk:Wikipedia GUS userboxes. I'll ask Cyde first, after I do the redirects. It might be gone by then anyway. Thanks for working on this! Rfrisbie^talk 11:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I think I want to make a userbox that is similar to: {{user ubx-night}}, something about being up all night working on userboxes : )
- Jc37 12:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Go for it!!! Rfrisbie^talk 12:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I hope I'm not butting in here, but I just asked Cyde to delete those pages, before noticing this conversation. Good work, both of you. —Mira 13:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just for that, you have to bypass 3,289 more redirects! Rfrisbie^talk 14:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! I'll get right to work. —Mira 14:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!! And take you pal, Jc37, with you! Rfrisbie^talk 14:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey now, I only suggested that we talk about it : P (rofl) - Jc37 14:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't you think it's about time you learned how to use WP:AWB anyway? Rfrisbie^talk 14:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I've looked at it before, but this quote:

"The AutoWikiBrowser is a semi-automated Wikipedia editor for Microsoft Windows 2000/XP (or newer) designed to make tedious repetitive tasks quicker and easier. " - WP:AWB

Stops me cold, since I have none of the above :(

- Jc37 14:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just keep up the great work on what you've been doing and double...no double and a half MiraLuka's allotment! Rfrisbie^talk 14:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

(Just so that I can type 8 colons : )

and thanks... I've put waaay too much work into sorting/organising, etc. of the userboxes to just have them arbitrarliy userfied/deleted. - Jc37 14:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Template

Btw, what do you think of Template:WP:UBS now?

It's very well organized! Visually, I just wish it could be a little more horizontal and a little less vertical. Do you think it could spread out a little more like User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Nav and User:MiraLuka/Userboxes/Nav? Rfrisbie^talk 15:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Look now : ) - Jc37 15:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool! I moved "time" up a line too. Rfrisbie^talk 15:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Makes it look like it's US - Time - Jc37 15:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

And now? Rfrisbie^talk 15:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC) What about folding interests and life into one section? Rfrisbie^talk 15:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Or... what about the combined topics in the userspace nav boxes? Rfrisbie^talk 15:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Tried to answer several times, but you kept commenting : p

It's much better than the dash, but why do we "have" to combine those lines?

I don't think that scrunched is best, in this case... especially since this template will be on pages that are likely to be long anyway : ) - Jc37 15:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, but I did squeeze some of the air out of the light rows. I've always been partial to that golden rectangle look. Rfrisbie^talk 15:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

That's not too bad, though just a "touch" more space between rows on the double lines would be nice : )

Since you were able to do that, splitting the time onto its own line again : )

- Jc37 16:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Bumped it up a notch. Rfrisbie^talk 16:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

(10 colons.. do I win? - rofl)

And btw, looks great : )

- Jc37 16:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes! Rfrisbie^talk 16:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:User Birding

Hey Rfrisbie,

I'm not quite that adept in wikipedia yet. I mostly just copy what I see other people do... I would love it if you would move my template over to your new system and make the changes on my userpage as well.

Thanks!

Careyj^talk 22:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Careyj,

Thanks. I just nominated the "Pets" userbox page for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Pets. Feel free to add your 2¢ worth there. It should take around eight days or so for a decision. If the page gets deleted, I'll go ahead and make the changes and let you know. If the page stays, I'll just leave the birding box where it is. Regards, Rfrisbie^talk 01:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Humor

Rather than repeat, please check out it's talk page : ) - Jc37 11:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Rfrisbie^talk 11:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Some help for a newbie?

Hi! Came across you after you edited my userboxes section. I was wondering if you could clarify an issue for me:

I am interested in other cultures and religions, so I put a couple of "This user is interested in..." type userboxes relating to religion on my userpage.

And now I'm apparently Jewish and a Unitarian Universalist, despite being an agnostic (of little to no Jewish descent, either, from what I can tell). Yeah.

Now, I have been perplexed by the take/policy on userboxes and userspace and whatever before, on Wikipedia. But this just takes the cake. Why should a userbox that LITERALLY says "Interested in" put you in the category of "belonging to" a religion? Why does it do that? What's going on? What's the meaning of life? (Sorry, got caught up in the moment. But seriously... what's going on with those things?)

• Because it can, because it said so, a lot of commotion, 43...but seriously, some userboxes have a category embedded in them. Some template pages show you when you look at them outright, others you have to "edit" to see the category. Take a look at User:Rfrisbie/Userboxes/Religion. You'll see some "Is a bla bla bla" and some "Is interested in bla bla bla." Anything I "userfied," I just moved as is. If you happen to pick an "Is interested in" box the puts you into an "Is a" category, let me know and I'll fix it. Rfrisbie^talk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I realize that apparently, the "belonging to" religion userboxes were changed because it was seen as POV (I'm of the opinion that members of a religion would know more about it than outsiders in a lot of cases, and that it should be allowed under the same policy that allows userboxes that proclaim a profession or degree of expertize or fluency level in a particular language, but hey, what do I know?). I still am absolutely dumbfounded, however, to discover they were changed to "Interested in". There is a HUGE difference between being "interested in" something and actually BELONGING to it.

• More than you think! Rfrisbie^talk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, is there any way to fix this? I don't want people asking me about religions I know very little about, but I do want to state an interest in them on my userpage. What's going on? :\

• Yes. Life. See above. Rfrisbie^talk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

On another note, I've been working a lot on the fan fiction article lately (to the point where I had a semi-nightmare last night about anon users messing up the pages I'd worked so hard on, heh), and it grew into such a monstrously huge article that we've seperated a couple of sections out into other articles, one of which is Fan fiction terminology.

Would it have been better to title the page Glossary of fan fiction terms? Should I create a redirect under that, maybe, so that somebody doesn't create a second redundant article or something?

• Sure, why not? ← rhetorical question. No, just "move" Fan fiction terminology to Glossary of fan fiction terms. That automatically will move the history and talk, plus create a redirect from the old page to the new page. Rfrisbie^talk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Also: I found out that Raisinets redirects to Chocolate-coated raisin, despite the fact that it's a well-known registered trademark for a particular BRAND of chocolate-coated raisin. I have no idea how to fix this. :\ There's enough info in chocolate-coated raisin for a stub on Raisinets, but what do I do about the redirect?

• Just edit over it (delete the redirect) and add the stub info to Raisinets. Rfrisbie^talk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Signed, a Newbie. [ Runa27 15:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC) ]

Hi Runa27! Point #1: Wikipedia is messy! Point #2: I'll take a stab at replies under your questions. Rfrisbie^talk 16:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Template: User Genesius of Rome

I've created a userbox which you may want to include on your religious page. It is one about Genesius of Rome, the patron saint of comedians and actors, which I originally created for the comedy userbox page. To see the userbox, see {{User Genesius of Rome}}. ISD 18:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)