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Hello Pproctor! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! --  Netsnipe  (Talk)  20:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits, such as your changes to the Raymond V. Damadian page, are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you.

Unconstructive edits, vandalism? nonsense. The page on Raymon V Damadian contains numerous factual errors and much evident confusion about the technology which I was just attempting to correct. I'm and MD PhD who was there when all this stuff was going on. Even published papers in the field and know many of the princopals. See my comments at Talk:Raymond V. Damadian

Response to Damadian Questions

Hi PP. You recently asked about my background and whether I had the expertise to edit the Damadian article. Well, let me answer you. I'm currently a graduate student at the Robarts Research Institute, in the imaging department. My thesis involves using novel pulse sequences to exploit the signal properties of magnetic perturbers and I recently wrote a review about the history of NMR and MRI. So while I may not be an MD/PhD (a fact that you boast about frequently), at least I'm doing work in the area. If I'm not mistaken, you're a hair transplant surgeon, aren't you? 72.139.184.107 23:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. It was wrong to think that I, a graduate student writing pulse sequences, would know how T1 and T2 work. It was foolish to argue with someone who did MRI 30 years ago and now sells hair tonic. My bad.72.139.185.19 18:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
More to the point- Wikipedia does not rely on experts. Any one can edit anything. What matters are things like WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV and good writing. We generally don't care what expertise people have. JoshuaZ 18:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To the contrary, Wikiopedia does value expert input and actively solicits it. E.g., there is this banner on uric acid : "This article or section is in need of attention from an expert on the subject. Please help recruit one, or improve this page yourself if you can..." I took this as an invitation. Apparently mistakenly. Pproctor 21:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can I suggest that you take a look round at other article to see how they are written, before. You may be inserting valid content but it is so badly written that it's going to take someone twice the time it took you to write it to clean it up. — Dunc| 15:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, try not to get upset. Take it slowly, one point at a time. You seem to be well-educated so you really ought to know how to write. You must apply yourself properly - think before spewing text onto the Internet (friendly advice). — Dunc| 15:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So why do you have a heading title "An alternative POV on Damadian"? — Dunc| 16:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you can't do that. You need to familiarise yourself with WP:NPOV, everything must be neutral. — Dunc| 22:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK. The first stage must be to get events described in chronological order. Then opinions come second.
The Raymond V. Damadian article also must be about Damadian and his career; other more technical details need to go into a history section in Magnetic resonance imaging or even to a separate history of magnetic resonance imaging article. — Dunc| 22:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please do not make edits like this where you significantly alter your previous statements. It makes it hard for people to follow conversation threads because it is difficult to figure out what replied to what without going through all the difs. JoshuaZ 04:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia, as you did in Baldness treatments. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.

It's a conflict of interest linking to your own website when you're a hair loss treatment doctor. If you want to support the statement that a particular treatment works, please cite a medical journal or research paper directly. --  Netsnipe  (Talk)  20:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Er. I understand the prohibition aganst "advertising". But some of the stuff on this page is right out of my work with, no credit given. I would like to be able to cite it. Also, I link to a published paper, the full text of which is on my website.

Peter H Proctor, PhD, MD

Wikipedia has a major problem with Google bombing and a lot of people try to add their own websites to articles to increase their online profile. But seeing as your site doesn't have any ads on them, your intentions are probably more honorable than most others. Feel free to restore your links, but Wikipedia does prefers content over links. Baldness treatments is an absolute mess right now and when I have some free time I'm going to have to weed out half of it since most of it seems to be advertising rather than references to proper peer-reviewed medical journals and papers. --  Netsnipe  (Talk)  21:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth are you going on about?

What Scandinavian rules concerning scientific misconduct? You're not allowed to speculate. You're not allowed original research.

Also, far as I can tell there is a huge difference between Carr politely pointing out that his contribution may have been overlooked, and Damadian arrogantly whinging to the world how he was slighted.

The article is also primarily about Damadian, not Carr.

And why are you linking to talk pages? — Dunc| 20:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply:

<What Scandinavian rules concerning scientific misconduct? You're not allowed to speculate. You're not allowed original research.>

I gave the reference and a link to it. Here it is again: ("Handling of scientific dishonesty in the Nordic countries",Lancet. 1999;354(9172):57-61)-- Click on Lancet article. Note the title. I read this journal, BTW.

Not intending to start a flame war, but if you are going to revert, please at least read what you are reverting.

<Also, far as I can tell there is a huge difference between Carr politely pointing out that his contribution may have been overlooked, and Damadian arrogantly whinging to the world how he was slighted.>

Good for Damadian, whatever his case. It is about time that somebody complained loud and long about this situation. Actually, if you read Carr's letter, it is much stronger than Damadian's protest, if not nearly as loud. He essentially accuses the Nobel winners of citation plagarism. In a dignified way, naturally.

<The article is also primarily about Damadian, not Carr.>

You can't talk about Damadian without talking about the Nobel. You can't talk about the Nobel without talking about Herman Carr. Otherwise, the flavor of this complete screw-up gets lost.

<And why are you linking to talk pages?>

Didn't realize this was a no-no. Mainly, because of the heated argument about the Nobel there. Pproctor 20:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific misconduct

This is for dealing with scientific fraud. What on earth has that got to do with Damadian? — Dunc| 20:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Evidently, I must spell this out. The point I made in the stuff you reverted was that the way the Nobel prize works, the Noble committee regularly commits scientific misconduct by the local Scandinavian rules. The above is a link to a paper in the Journal Lancet summarizing those rules. The Damadian and Carr business is just one more example. Remember, the issue is whether Damadian and Carr were justified in "whining". Pproctor 21:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Who says that the Nobel Prize Committee regularly commits scientific misconduct? Have you a third party reliable source? — Dunc| 21:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]