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Israeli violence against Palestinian children

An example of modern blood libel, on par with alleged Jenin massacre, poisoning wells, etc. See Israel Defense Forces#The Code of Conduct. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 07:53, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. Editorial. Gamaliel 07:55, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep the facts and remove the editorials, as long as we're keeping other ridiculous "articles" on violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and what is it they say about truth being the best defense against charges of libel? —No-One Jones (m) 08:02, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect as Israel is not targeting children! On the contrary, when Israeli civilian buses or public places are blown up by homicide bombers or killed by Kassam rockets due to Palestinian terrorism, it is Israeli children who die (with the adults), and so far there is no special list on Wikipedia for Palestinian violence against Israeli children is there? Should there be? IZAK 09:03, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. I care nothing for Israel, but this article shouldn't be. The first half is commentary on an opinion column, and the second is a synopsis of an Amnesty International report. This isn't really an article. As noted above, it presupposes something is remarkable about violence against children which is possibly POV in itself. Also, it should be noted there are two copies of this article. It was moved to Violence against Palestinian children, but User:Alberuni apparently felt "Israeli violence" was the proper title so added the content back here. I've VfD'd the moved copy as well and redirected the discussion here. Whatever happens to this article should happen to both of them since they're carbon copies. Cool Hand Luke 09:43, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect. I tried moving the article to a more neutral title, but Alberuni only wants to represent his POV. --Viriditas 10:01, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • From Talk:Violence against Palestinian children in re moving the page: "...I know you are more concerned with defending Israel than you are about palestinian children but perhaps you will find a more productive venue than redirecting pages that disturb your POV. --Alberuni" Cool Hand Luke 10:13, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • I'm quite familiar with what he wrote, since it was in direct response to my concern about violence against palestinian children perpetrated by Palestinians, which he refuses to address. From Talk:Violence against Palestinian children as justification for moving the page: "...If you are going to be neutral, you are going to have to include Palestinan violence against Palestinian children, for example Palestinian children like Abdullah Quran and Husam Abdo and the recruitment and use of child soldiers by Hamas, Fatah and Islamic Jihad. -- Viriditas". A neutral title addresses both POV's, which Alberuni refuses to do since he is only interested in promoting his POV. There is no defense of Israel involved. --Viriditas 10:22, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • I know. I just wanted to show others evidence that this article has POV motives. "POV" is almost automatically tossed around in these debates, but it seems clear in this case. Cool Hand Luke 18:03, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge or move. Surely that information can go somewhere else in one of the articles we have in the Israel/Palestine conflict. As it stands it's not very neutral, and is unlikely to ever be so with such a provocative article title. If the author is unwilling to take the step of merging or moving and NPOVing, delete. Shane King 11:42, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Editorial. Failing that, Merge and Re-direct. Jayjg 12:52, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep and improve. There will surely be more incidents of Israeli forces killing Palestinian children to add to this page every week. When I tried to add related incidents on the Ghadeer Jaber Mkheemar, User:Jayjg deleted them and insisted that they desrve a page of their own. Now he advocates deleting it! Hypocrisy is outstanding! The instant denials and censorship efforts by pro-Israel partisans should in itself tell you something about the merits of this article. --Alberuni 15:45, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Rename or Move or Delete. Surely there are children killed and that is very extremely sad and there should be peace, but such provocative messages does not cause peaceful attitudes between the sides of the conflict. How about to include child victims to the lish of other victims, if there are such? Tuohirulla 15:54, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • This user has only 4 edits so far, all to this page. --Conti|✉ 16:11, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
      • I have been editing Finnish Wikipedia. See it for yourself. This is my first time in English Wikipedia. Is that a problem?Tuohirulla 16:20, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. --Conti|✉
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