User talk:Merbabu

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Kukini 06:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sydney

Apologies if I offended with the complete revert, your contributions to the article have been of benefit to it. While I'm at it - here's an Aussie welcome! You might want to take a look at the Australian Wikipedians Noticeboard and consider joining WikiProject Sydney. Enjoy your time here. michael ^talk 12:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

ha ha - we had the same goal but different methods. I tried to fix it by incremental micro-surgery but you went the quick nuke option. Maybe that john guy needs to get his own web site devoted to sydney. I will check out those links. --Merbabu 12:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

He just needs to learn what wikipedia is and isn't and how to contribute effectively. michael ^talk 13:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia

Arabic is considered by most muslims to be the only language in which Islam should be taught so as to avoid mistranslations - Arabic is a language that is connected to the religion and in the past it would have been a perfectly viable question about Brazillian Catholics except that much of the Catholic Church has disregarded Church Latin these days. Also please learn to spell.Danlibbo 23:59, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually I have been to Indonesia and I speak Bahasa - I worked with INTERFET and with the UNTAET force afterwards. In the days when Latin was the language of Christianity it would have been very interesting to find a church which did not speak Latin, however those times are almost gone now, however, that the clear majority of mosques throughout the world speak Qur'anic Arabic for sermons and prayers and one country hasn't adopted this practice is interesting. Indeed it is proof that the Islam in Indonesia is different, that's the heart of the statement. Perhaps adding some discussion on the variety of Islam practised in Indonesia would also be beneficial, but to those with a knowledge of Islam looking for information on Indonesia, it would be interesting to find that Arabic is not even used in sermons. You seem to be mistaking this point for me saying that because Indonesia is predominantly Muslim they should speak Arabic in everyday life but that's just ridiculous. In the majority of mosques in non-Arabic countries (I know in Australia, the US, Canada, Europe, India, Pakistan, Russia and Japan) Arabic is still reserved and still used for sermons and prayers. Similarly, the majority of Coptic Christians still use Coptic as a language tied to their religion. In the end, that a nation with the world's largest population of Muslims it is an interesting fact that Arabic is rarely used considering that in most other countries in the world, most Muslims do.

That's the most ridiculous argument ever! That there are definitive names for languages. It is perfectly legitimate to refer to a language with it's native name especially when specifying, for example, that I'm not talking about any other of the hundreds of languages spoken in Indonesia. Also, Bahasa Indonesia is an official name for the language with many governments (including mine) and who better defines their language?

It's my little joke I've used - you can't hear the person over the Internet therefore "look 'here'"

no dramas. ha ha --Merbabu 01:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The government department I work for regularly refers to the official language of Indonesia as 'Bahasa Indonesia' partly to sound more sofisticated but mainly such that it is not confused with any other language. I apologise as you seem somewhat offended, but I still believe that the lack of Arabic is an interesting fact and should thus remain on the page. A probable middle ground is to expand the section on Religion to include specifics of the differences shown in Indonesian Islam.

nah - not offended. you gotta try harder than that, lol, but the spelling comment raised an eyebrow. he he. Hmm, as for "interesting" for me it is not the lack of Arabic, but the fact that Islam is practised differently to a more orthodox, Middle Eastern style. That is intereseting for me - and yes, i suppose the language is part of that, but just a detail. People can be very "deep" and committed in their belief in Islam, but at the same time, it does seem more relaxed and local. That is "interesting". --Merbabu 01:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I think it's a good compromise. I was thinking from the point of view of someone looking to do some research on Indonesia, it might get a schoolkid an extra mark on a project, or save someone buying an Arabic phrasebook before they go. The spelling comment was my housemate just trying to make my argument more bitchy, I apologise. I added links to 'Islam' and 'Arabic' but nice teamwork eh?

ha ha - OK, chances are a third person will stuff it all up anyway. By the way, do you know to add a sig to comments in Discussion and user pages? (in know it took me a while to work out). Press on the sig timestamp box immediately above this edit box. and you get this: --Merbabu 03:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

what was that point about what an encyclopedia is - an encyclopedia needs to take in to account the audience correct? Danlibbo 08:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not really sure what you mean. But i do know that neither of us can assume to speak for "the audience" except for ourselves. I presume you are talking about the International Dispute section? I think you have a pretty hard case when every other significant country does NOT have it on their main page. Why should Indonesia be any different? And if you are seriously NPOV, why don't you put a similar section in the AUstralian article??? I doubt you would. See my additions about each country on the Indonesia discussion page--Merbabu 09:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

PS, if we are to discuss "the audience", the International Dispute section was very Australia-centric (except maybe the aceh and PNG issues, but they are covered generously not just in this article). Wikipedia audience is not Aussie-centric, nor is Indonesian foreign relations. --Merbabu 09:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Well done for your tireless efforts to expunge "Bahasa Indonesia" and replace it with the correct "Indonesian". Incidentally, many local expats here use the word "Bahasa" to mean Indonesian. It is very annoying, and entirely illogical. Worse, the habit has sread to Indonesians who want to appear sophisticated. This user does not need to hear your arguments again, but it seems others do! Keep it atas, oops, up. Davidelit 02:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Zoo TV

Please see my (lengthy) response in Talk:Zoo TV Tour. Wasted Time R 01:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

About Faerieangel

I appreciate the fact that you are trying to stop vandalism, but I have a few things to say. Faerieangel's first edit is not considered vandalism, she didn't know about the sandbox. Also, I think we should give her one more chance. This girl is my sister, and I'll try to take care of her. If she vandalises again, I give you permission to temporarly block her, while I give her a lesson. Lissa 14:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

U2

Merabu -- no worries about you clobbering my edits on the U2 article. I think we were coincidentally editing it at almost the same time. I'm trying to add some references (and probably I should get to bed), but let's see if we can get this article to featured status! Wikipedia brown 07:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there was some garbage in there but it was my intent to reinstate your worthy contributions - i was in the process of resinstating some of yours, but you'd already done it! I think articles on popular music are hard for wiki - they just turn into fan sites if where not careful, there is enough of that on the web, wiki should be different. Your work with links should improve it's quality. yes, this article has become a little pet for me. ha, ha. My biggest hate is "fluff" or irrelevant stuff - did my revert remove the details on the colour of the iPod headphone jack? - how stupid was that - lol. Some get carried away. --Merbabu 08:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of encouragement! I think the iPod stuff is still there, you may want to check. I agree with you on the style of popular music articles -- that's why I'm trying to find negative reviews and include them in the article too (I'm surprised that u2.com actually has some of these negative reviews on their site too ... that's very cool!). Anyways, keep up the good work on fluff removal patrol. Wikipedia brown 17:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, if we want to see the article on our favorite band being raised to featured status, we've got to keep the fancruft away... BTW, you've been doing some great work on the article! I hope it'll soon be ready to go through a peer review! --Kristbg 20:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Sport in New South Wales

Hi Merbabu! I don't quite see the need for your latest edits to Sport in New South Wales. I have explained what I would prefer at Talk:Sport in New South Wales, and would appreciate your views on the matter. Thanks, JPD (talk) 13:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

lol - i don't feel too strongly about it. I felt if it was going to be NSW (with which i agree rather than sydney), then i would shift the emphasis a bit. It seemed to be all about how important sydney was, in the manner that we have come to expect from a certain editor. As i said, i am happy for you to change my edits. cheers. --Merbabu 13:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Jack

I think the block will be beneficial. However you are correct that your own response might have been handled better: the three-revert rule applies to all parties to an edit war. Thanks, --cj | talk 13:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You seem to be a frequent reverter of Jackp's vandalism, so I ask you to comment here: [1] (bottommost section). Skinnyweed 13:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Westfield Tower

Are you sure Sydney Tower is now Westfield Tower, per your changes to Skyscrapers in Sydney? I can't find any source other than [2] which gives details of the proposed Westfield Tower at Centrepoint as part of (I assume) the redevelopment of Pitt Street. --Steve 04:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually i am not sure. A sydney skyscraper expert specifically told me it was the case - but i will try to confirm. Although, i did have second thoughts on the issue and i am happy to have it as "Sydney Tower (officially Westfield Tower)". I will look into it.--Merbabu 04:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Sydney

If you're working towards a featured article, take a look at what a featured article should look like: Canberra. michael ^talk 13:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to enter into a petty debate on section after section; if I was an admin I would have had Jackp blocked months ago and with little fuss. The simple fact remains: what isn't making it a better article shouldn't be there. Making it more like Canberra, Johannesburg or Hong Kong is improving it. Adding in stupid, trivial rubbish isn't. Adding in unrequired and confusing headings isn't. michael ^talk 13:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, merbabu! Thanks for fixing the architecture move. I am a bit disturbed that someone else thinks there is a point to having an Education in Sydney article, but I guess it doesn't hurt too much. As for these headings, I'm not completely against them, but Jack definitely hasn't got them right. I have some made some comments at the talk page concerning what I see as the options - please give your opinion. JPD (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Jack

Not having been following the Jackp controversy, I have just been having a look at his recent "contributions" - you guys (Sydney editors) have definitely had a struggle on your hands! He definitely doesn't appear to be getting it. Maybe point him to http://www.wikitravel.org ? -- Chuq 10:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Architecture in Sydney

I wrote a section on Sydney Architecture, here it is, should it go on the Sydney page, tell me what you think on my discussion page.

Sydney is certinly not characterised by any particular architectural style, having accumulated its buildings over a long period of time.

The city has many densely concentrated skyscrapers and other buildings including historic sandstone buildings such as the Sydney Town Hall and Queen Victoria Building, which are interspersed by several parks such as Wynyard and Hyde Park. In itself, the City contains a wide variety of styles, ranging from old and new, such as the many Art Deco buildings. The world recognized landmarks, the Sydney Opera House and Sydney Harbour Bridge are some of the many highlights of Sydney architecture. Notable recent buildings are the 1970s, AMP Tower (also known as the Sydney Tower and the Centerpoint Tower), providing brilliant scenic veiws of the city and harbour.

Several monuments pay homage to people and events in the city. Such as the Arthur Phillip statue in the Royal Botanic Gardens, the Archibald Fountain and the ANZAC War Memorial.

Jackp 08:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sydney Opera House in pop culture

Hi Merbabu! The problem with your use of the template was that you put ¦ instead of |. I am not sure whether a merge template will lead to anything actually happening, and it's all already at the main article, so would you mind if I simply put it up for deletion? JPD (talk) 13:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• PLEASE put it up for deletion - i was just trying to be diplomatic when i suggested a merge. ha ha. (btw, how does one put something up for deletion?) Cheers. --Merbabu 13:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I've listed it for proposed deletion, using {{subst:prod}}. If anyone objects to this and removes the tag, I will take to Wikipedia:/Articles for Deletion, since this topic surely doesnt' deserve an article. At least with some of Jack's previous new articles I could imagine someone turning into a good article eventually! JPD (talk) 13:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Pic

I removed a red link to an image. The image had already been deleted by someone else. Perhaps it was in copyright violation.--Dcooper 14:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, this is about architecture in Sydney

Hi Merbabu,

I've written "architecture in Sydney", and I hope you like it. There were somethings that said before I should add to the article that I was unsuccessful on finding, but I think if you'd like to touch it up, then I'll post it below. I've added it to the page on Sydney, and if you have something to say, add or suggest then leave a message on my talk page, here it is:

Architecture

Sydney’s skyline is not characterized by any particular architectural style, having accumulated its buildings over a long period of time.

Many prominent architects that are responsible for a large amount of iconic Sydney structures, such as the iconic colonial architect Francis Greenway Between 1816 and 1818, whilst still a convict, Greenway was responsible for the design and construction of the Macquarie Lighthouse on the South Head at the entrance to Sydney Harbour. His most famous works include the Hyde Park Barracks, St. James Church and the new Govermant building. Danish architect, Jorn Utzon, responsible for quite possibly the most famous Sydney structure, the contemprary Sydney Opera House which has since it’s opening in 1973 by the Queen Elizabeth, has become one of the most recognizable buildings in the world and makes Sydney’s skyline differ from many other cities due to it’s shape, which are suppose to resemble sails.

The late 1980s and early to mid 1990s resulted in a skyscraper boom in Sydney, but height restrictions limited future buildings to the height of 235 meters, to provide better views from certain buildings. The skyline is dominated by the highest, which is the Centrepoint Tower (or less more commonly the Sydney Tower) at The tower stands 305 metres above the central business district, it is located at 120 Market Street, between Pitt and Castlereagh Streets, accessible from the Pitt Street Mall, and sits upon Centrepoint (to which the tower is often referred as), an office building and shopping centre. The tower is open to the public, and is one of the most prominent tourist attractions in the city, being visible from a number of vantage points throughout town and from adjoining suburbs. The second largest at 244m is the Chifley Tower, which was completed in 1992 and is located at 2 Chifley Sqaure. Among the others are Citigroup Centre and the latter consisting predominantly of residential apartments. Sydney skyline is by far the most recognizable in Australia and is home to some of Australia's tallest skyscrapers, with 134, it has the largest skyline in Australia. The spectacular backdrop of Sydney Harbour means its real estate is amongst the most expensive in the world.

Jackp 11:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

U2 Page--Occasionally

I removed occasionally and will continue to remove the offending word because it has no place in the intro body of the article. If you feel it should be added as a footnote or included in subsequent sub-sections, feel free to add it. By placing it in the intro paragraph, you are slowing down the flow of the article. It is clumsy, irrelevant usage.

--24.91.89.149 20:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

It may be "clumsy", but if people insist on saying that Larry plays keyboards in U2 and Bono's plays harmonica, then occassional is needed for accuracy, proportion and correct emphasis which is more important than article flow. Mentioning the key-board and harmonica in the first sentance is even more clumsy and irrelevant.

Process ongoing

I am in the middle of a process wherby Muslim History (The history of the Muslim people) and Islamic History (The history of the development of the religion of Islam) will be seperate and distinct, as they are, serperate and distinct. There is nothing particularly "Islamic" about, say, Akbar, but, he was a Muslim and had a major impact on the history of Muslims, especially in the Indian Subcontinent. On the other hand, Abu Lahab ibn 'Abdul Muttalib was not a Muslim, but did play a role in the formation of the Islamic religion. I am in the process, firstly, of making the Muslim History category representative, after which i will make an Islamic history, which will include people like Bukhari, Imam Malik, etc --Irishpunktom\^talk 13:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment summary

Sorry --62.255.236.71 04:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Links to id language

Hi, thanks for your message. I'm just inclined to see a wikilink pointed to the actual article, sans redirect. Btw, you did a good job in "Englishifying" those wikilinks. Cheers. *drew 04:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Transmigration program

First of all, it seems like my first edit summary is simply incorrect, my apologies. I was way too tired to be editing properly last night and I was talking on the phone with a friend at the same time. It looks like this was a bad combination. Regarding the first edit, I only remembered updating two links, and changing a bit linguistically (and I'm rather surprised that I completely forgot proofreading the result.) My edits were simply prompted by seeing Indonesian government as a redlink, and originally, I hadn't planned on changing anything except this link. When I look at the material now, I can't remember ever making most of the edit, so phonecalls and editing are a bad combination. My apologies again. I have no problems with the conclusions you draw regarding the subject. I've reverted the page to how it looked before I messed it up, and then changed a few of the stylistic issues (which was what I was supposed to have done last night.) Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 08:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The fault was mine, since I was obviously not capable of editing properly last night :) I don't know how on earth I managed to create so much rubbish in one edit, so my apologies again. I hope you can see now what I was supposed to have done. Your reaction was quite understandible and I'd probably have reacted in a similar fashion had I seen a page I care about being trashed in the same way. Anyway, I have absolutely no hard feelings against you, and I hope you can forgive me this error. Happy editing. Valentinian ^(talk) 13:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Melbourne

Sorry Merbabu, I think I reverted incorrectly to the version before that by most clicking on the corret old reversion.Sorry.Blnguyen | rant-line 07:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: South East Asia and Indonesian

No worries. I thought it must be some Malaysian, too. I'm only vaguely interested in that sort of area, and look at those sort of articles fairly randomly, unlike Sydney type articles, which I actively watch and contribute too. JPD (talk) 15:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Indonesia Project

Hey there, thanks for joining. If you dont mind, probably the best thing to do now is to categorize articles (the quality and scale of importance). Once again, thanks. Cheers -- Imoeng 06:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Bird's Head

Hello. I changed it when creating Bird's Head article. In my home atlas and also in MSN Atlas online it is Jazirah Doberai but now I've realized that Kepala Burung has far more Google hits so it would be good to turn it back. - Darwinek 09:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Sydney's global city status

What the hell does Sydney’s status as a global city have to do with the cities economy, its like everything good about Sydney has to be hidden/removed in this article. Why is it under economy, its just ludicrous! Jfpearce 07:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

National Merit

The Barnstar of National Merit This is for your exceptional contributions to Indonesia-related articles. Great going! Take care -- Imoeng 11:06, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Jackp

He's easily enough dealt with. Block and revert, then rinse and repeat if he continues. Don't engage him in discussion, as it'll just encourage him. He'll get bored eventually. Rebecca 03:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Indonesia Collaboration

Hey there, I just want to ask for your suggestion. As we all know, there are just few "good" Indonesian articles, which means lots of effort is needed to improve them. What do you reckon about this collaboration plan? Please put any suggestion and respond on the WikiProject's talk page. Cheers, take care -- Imoeng 11:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I'll make it now, hahahaha. Give me half an hour and you can check. Btw, whereabout in Australia? I'm in Melbourne. Imoeng 12:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

No wait, give me an hour or so. But I think, with only five members, we don't need a very sophisticated page yet, don't you think? Oh, and please give your vote on WP:FPCAN Cheers! -- Imoeng 12:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah the collaboration info page. So what do you think? Hahahaha, I think for now we don't need one. So just talk about it on the project talk page and choose one article and work on it for a week. What do you reckon? Imoeng 12:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thats good, everything has to start somewhere :P Please check the project talk page, Sepa recommended Kartini. Cheers -- Imoeng 12:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. A few days ago i remember seeing a tag at the bottom of Indonesia articles - ie, "Indonesian Portal". I can't find it now. But i have noticed a new one - "Indonesian Topics" for example towards the bottom of the Indonesia article. Can you explain?? I ask because i wanted to know if i should put the Indonesia Portal sign on any articles on Indonesia. Merbabu 13:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC) Just put {{portal|Indonesia}} on any relevant article. Well, if you have enough energy to put that on every article, please feel free! That Indonesian topics template is the one I've made, just to make it easier to navigate the categories. Sorry, just want to ask

• Have you comment on the WP:FPCAN??
• Have you suggest a new collaboration??

Sorry about that, just want to make sure (Do I sound like a dick?). Cheers -- Imoeng 13:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no any specific way to add that actually. However, most articles have the portal links on the "external links" part. So, its really doesn't really matter. Just make sure it is easy to see. Also, if you can, please categorize the article for its quality and importance. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Indonesia/Assessment. Cheers -- Imoeng 13:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Things to do

• Put Indonesian portal template (thats right)
• Select the appropriate importance. It is very subjective, but it is the best thing we have now, we'll discuss it sometimes
• Select the appropriate quality scale. It is also very subjective. But don't put the GA and above quality as we need to request the status first. That is why I made a "status requester page". So if its very good, just put B-class.

CHeers-- Imoeng 13:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oke2, gw ngantuk abis. Ahahahah. Can we swap email or msn or something? So its efficient -- Imoeng 13:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration

The new collaboration page has been created. For now, it is a "collaboration of the week" with standard rules and stuff, which later we can decide for any changes. But now, lets start nominating articles (one article for each person!) and voting. Please take a look at the page. Cheers -- Imoeng 11:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Sock Puppet???

You recently blocked 202.6.138.34. I am fairly certain this is a sock for the infamous Jackp. He's got a few other socks around: Jfp-24 and Movie-lover93 and Jfpearce. He's a real disruptive pain in the you-know-where. I noticed you temporarily blocked this URL. Can only mods block people (ie, are you a mod) or can all editors do this? Hope you can help. Cheers. Merbabu 13:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Merbabu. Yes, I temporarily (for 24 hours) blocked that IP address for editing because of vandalism. Only administrators can block users (see Wikipedia:Administrators for information), but any user can report vandals to WP:AIV after the vandal has been appropriately warned (see Wikipedia:Vandalism#Dealing_with_vandalism). —Mets501 (talk) 13:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Keling

Well, actually I'm not entirely new, but just deciding to have a real contribution where there is a new WikiProject:Indonesia. It's a good project. Good that there is somebody like Imoeng. ;-) About keling, it's actually not a positive way of calling these Tamil in Medan. But since it's been a long time people in Medan called them keling behind their back, this mocking name has been attached to them. However kampung keling is a real official name. I'll try to help Medan article about this. I'll see you around then in the WP:INA project. — Indon 21:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

English Please

Hi Tamaneden. Please remember this is the English language version of Wikipedia, thus we need to use, for example, "Indonesian" and "Central Java", rather than "Bahasa Indonesia" and "Jawa Tengah". Of course, in limited places where appropriate, the Indonesian may be put in brackets afterwards. You cite the example of the French page. Well, if they have used French instead of English then that is INCORRECT and copy someone else who is incorrect is no justification for doing the same incorrect thing here.

On a related note, i noticed you put in some quite informative peices about the Indonesian media, however, they were mixed in with your use of incorrect "Bahasa Indonesia" instead of "Indonesian" and they were reverted and lost. I would support you reinstating these references as long as you don't put "Bahasa Indonesia" all the way through. FOr example, in the Indonesian language version of Wikipedia, do you refer to "English" or "Bahasa Inggris". And in the English Wikipedia, we don't say "Deutsch", we say "German". As i said, you media edits were otherwise good - please keep up the good work. Cheers. Merbabu 12:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you please explain to me why the OFFICIAL names of Negeri Sembilan in Malaysia and Tohoku in Japan have never been translated into English even though it is VERY easy to do so? Tamaneden

Re:Tamaneden

Hi Merbabu. Thank you for explaining the importance of using English names to Tamaneden. The examples that you provided sound convincing enough to me. :) *drew 04:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Demographics

Hello. I obtained the figures from the corresponding ID Wikipedia. Frankly I don't believe it is somewhat reliable. However, the template requires one to add these data. I suggest those data shouldn't be included in the infobox. *drew 09:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Indonesian collabs

Hey how are you? I was just wondering can we stop the voting process now and decide the article? As probably no one will vote anymore. Thank you -- 10:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Mount Merbabu

What do you think about http://www.nikhef.nl/~tonvr/keris/keris2/keris_1suro.html  ? Just an idea :) SatuSuro 11:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

White space comment - Please understand I do not wish to denigrate your hard work! With respect, if some of the other eds I know would see that art they would be rude and ruthless. Having lived in Yk I dont wish to be either :) I had friends who did the indonesian course there :) SatuSuro 13:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

No Hurry! I have more unfinished projects than either of us could count! I had wanted to do expansions on the places that I have photos of in the Bantul/Yogya area - Salatiga is a once visited in the 1980s for me, so maybe I'm not the best to check :) SatuSuro 14:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Dont even let me start on "folk etymologies" and place names in Java - trained as an anthropologist at one stage I understand the validity at one level - but then...:)SatuSuro 15:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Is this Merbabu?

Is this Merbabu, a stalker?!? Are you the one that continues to block me for no real reason, apart from the fact that you assume I’m jackP…and the fact that there has been nothing wrong with my edits, as they have all been kept and accepted, yet you still block me, YOUR actions are a bit perplexing!! Kill-bill-93 12:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, i cannot block anyone - i am not an admin. Your name looks very similar to Movie Lover 93, who is known sock of Jackp, and you edit the same articles in the same style as Jackp and movie-lover. As for your posts as Kill Bill 93, well, they started 30mins ago and I am not yet 100% sure you are Jackp, but i would put money on it. It's interesting given that your previous sock was blocked about 60mins ago. Merbabu 12:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)