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Hayley Jensen

Non-notable. Lengthy article about game show loser, with no other case for notability; from author of Soul Eater. Niteowlneils 17:25, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Keep. There are many articles for other losers you speak of, I have just edited it to move the Australian Idol judges comment to another article. Is this fine? Rushworld 17:31, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Continuing... Please acknowledge all the losers on American Idol, Australian Idol, Pop Idol, etc. This is not the only 'loser' page. Rushworld 17:33, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Abstain for now. Kind of messy... I don't have problems with subject's notability, but see also Hayley Jensen Australian Idol by same author. One page needs to be merged into the other. Also, possible copyvio probs on the picures? Niceguyjoey 17:36, Nov 6, 2004
  • Delete. Geez! What a lousy article. Topic is not notable, Content is junk. --Improv 17:39, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Oops, this vote went to the wrong article. My bad. No opinion on this, for now.--Improv 17:39, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Niceguyjoey, I just created Hayley Jensen Australian Idol so the main Hayley Jensen page wouldn't be so messy. Rushworld 17:38, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Bad idea. If we should have this page it should just be one page. Jeltz 17:50, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • Okay, readded all the info from Hayley Jensen Australian Idol to Hayley Jensen. I'd like to hear the opinions on the images and whether they should stay or be removed. Rushworld 17:53, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • the quotes would probably be best moved to wikiquote La hapalo 17:56, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
        • Do I make a new page over there, or is there some nifty way to move them? Rushworld 18:01, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Judging by the success of previous 'losers', the subject of the article will likely be 'notable' within a year. La hapalo 17:54, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Save the text somewhere and, within a year, when she are notable re-submit the article. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:49, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, but clean it up. You don't need the individual commentary from every round. Ian Pugh 18:36, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Changing vote to delete. It's good that the commentary has been moved, and I won't doubt there's a tad of notability here, but even with more added to the article, if there's nothing you can really say about her other the results of the show and the silly fannish trivia, then there's no point. The speculative nature about the article pushed me on the other end of the debate; let's wait until she gets that contract. Ian Pugh 22:39, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete, not notable. A summary of this information belongs in the article on Australian Idol if anywhere. Let the editors of Australian idol who are familiar with the show hash out whether she is worthy of mention and, if so, at what length. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete: An also-ran. Appearing as a contestant is not an achievement by itself. When she gets the modeling or singing contract and achieves something, we will need an article, but we cannot and should not be in the business of documenting every on-camera contestant in a puppy-mill talent show. There are far, far, far too many interchangeable parts. One singer, two singers, three singers, gone. Uh-huh. Geogre 20:55, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Seems notable, fourth place finalist in Australian Idol, and we have articles on people who didn't make it nearly that far in American Idol. Here in the U.S., I remember it was a big deal when the fourth place finalist LaToya London was voted off, everyone was talking about it. Certainly that's notable, so it's not a big leap of faith for me to guess Australian Idol is comparably important in Australia. Everyking 21:10, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Being on a TV show doesn't make a person notable. Wile E. Heresiarch 23:29, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. We've already kept articles on people who were eliminated well before this point. Based on the results of the first series, she's very likely to continue to have notability after this point. I'm no fan of Australian Idol, but I for one find this articles interesting and useful. Ambi 23:47, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Double-plus keep. Australian Idol is a vile show trumpeting the crass commercialism of the record industry in our faces, and she can't sing for peanuts. Still, she is notable, as much as I wish she wasn't. I can't believe people can say she's not notable, certainly more people could name her than <insert random scientist or author> that we have articles on. Don't let your (justifiable) bias against these stupid shows sway your judgement! Shane King 02:26, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep Four members of Australian Idol last year have had #1 songs on the Australian charts and several more have had hit records. Australian Idol is one of the most popular shows on Australian television. In the past week, Hayley Jensen has been on Rove Live, one of the most popular shows on Australian television. I live in Canberra, the same city that she does and she has been all over local radio - in fact, there was a promo for her on when I was listening to the radio earlier this afternoon. Capitalistroadster 07:09, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Further a Google search on "Hayley Jensen" gets nearly 5,000 articles. 1 and Google News gets 55 news articles on her. [1] Like it or not shes notable. Capitalistroadster 07:21, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. All top ten (or twelve) contestants on any Pop Idol variant are inherently notable, due to the work they do and the media attention they get. I know about half of the top twelve in American Idol 2 got recording contracts, and released albums. Even goddamn Joshua Gracin, who, quite politely, was one of the worst singers IN THE WORLD. Even worse than Keith. Mike H 10:40, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
  • keep, i don't see how this can be distinguished from any other Idol finalist —siroχo 15:36, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
  • K Just as long as Rik Waller knows his place, it's fine by me ... Chris 18:40, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete in the strongest way. She isn't in the least bit notable. There was no furore over her. She wasn't particularly popular and she'll be totally forgotten in a month. Jeez, man, are we really saying that appearing on TV is all it takes?Dr Zen 00:23, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Appearing on one of the most highly rated shows in the country, three times a week for over six months, and then making it to the top four out of 50000 contestants - getting your face plastered all over her local newspapers, TV Guides and probably commercial radio as well - yeah, thats all it takes. -- Chuq 01:39, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Yes, I know it is sad, but people on these shows are notable. BTW that Rik Waller story thing is hilarious :) -- Chuq 01:39, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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