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There already is an article on Marwan Alshehhi - it's the same guy! What you have here is two different webpage on the same person!! Arno

It's not two articles, one is a redirect the other is the article. If you click on Marawn Alshehhi you are now taken directly to the Marwan Alshehhi page, a small note under the title tells you that you have been redirected. This is the best way to deal with misspellings (see above) -- sannse 11:09 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
  • Lilo & Stitch
    • The article reads like it was copied from another location. I've asked Zanimum twice now to let us know where he/she got the information from, but Zanimum hasn't bothered to reply. -- Zoe
    • Is a slightly reworded version of [http://starbulletin.com/2002/06/23/features/story4.html].
    • Zanimum here-- I am planning to add on to my article, but I have since responded to Zoe's query. It is a compilation of about six articles worth of information, but in my own words, nethertheless. I can go at it some more to change it, but just let me expand it to it's full size before you consider the possiblities.

Note: people misunderstand the difference between tribute pages and Wikipedia pages. The tribute pages are where people can put in personal comments. The Wikipedia pages are for biographical content.--The Cunctator

(among others) If we're going to allow stuff like this, we may as well go the whole hog and import electoral registers directly into the 'pedia. - Khendon 12:15 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)

I Agree - the S11 victim stuff is tasteless and pointless
These entries have more information and detail than exist in electoral registers. --The Cunctator
They are neither tasteless nor pointless, but they are not encyclopedic. They should be transferred to http://sep11.wikipedia.org/ before being deleted here. The Anome 12:47 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)
I think it might be considered tasteless in that we don't highlight the victims of other terrorist incidents, the bomb in Bali springs to mind, or perhaps a different kind of incident on a similar scale the victims of the Titanic disaster, unless noteworthy for other reasons. Mintguy
Who's "we"? There's nothing stopping you from writing up such entries on the victims of the Titanic disaster, or the bomb in Bali springs. This is a specious argument.--The Cunctator
There is a much more complete listing of people who might need to be moved here: Talk:September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Memorial wiki pages Martin
  • Bush League, Dubya Dubya Three, Bush Knew, October Surprise
    • dubious contributions of a banned ex-user The Anome 07:26 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)
      • Bush League: Don't care who started it( besides, the 142 IP address is ambiguous), others have contributed, it is linked to, it is a used term. It should stay. October Surprise: Valid article about a book, should stay. Bush Knew - unneeded redirect, can be deleted. Dubya Dubya Three: more a slang article, content should be moved to one of the Bush criticism articles. I am strongly opposed to deleting articles because the authors are banned, that is not a valid argument. If our bans are ineffective, that is another matter, but valid content should stay. --Eloquence 09:17 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)
It is poorly written paranoid rubbish that would hardly get into your average tabloid, let alone a serious encyclopædia. (PS, I hate Bush so I find myself squirming having to defend him, but this stuff is pure conspiracy-theory nutsville stuff)
  • Dinah Webster
    • zero content article; Text of article "This article was moved to m:Dinah Webster". Text of meta-article "A victim of the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack". Martin
  • Oomoto
    • possibly a copyright violation. please see the talk page. Tomos 04:24 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
Do we need the Supreme Court for this one? --&#35918&#30505
Good god, what is rubbish like this doing here. Delete. Delete. Delete. . .
Authorities differ on whether to use a butane lighter or the old-fashioned wick-and-lighter-fluid Zippo. I didn't realize that there were authorities on the matter. I doubt that this is necessary. Brian Sayrs 18:48 Mar 2, 2003 (UTC)
Now a not-unserious article on the topic -- dangers, setting, problems in operating room, cultural references, cross reference to flatulence under the new title Lighting farts. Leave it alone. Ortolan88 04:12 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
  • Homophobic hate speech - after a lot of discussion, there was almost unanimous agreement to move 'AIDS kills Fags dead' to 'Homophobic hate speech'. However The Cunctator took it upon himself to rename the page (twice!) before creating a new page with that title, so it could not be moved back to where the entire talk page but him thinks it should be. So could someone immediately
    • remove the current HOMOPHOBIC HATE SPEECH page (Cunctator's version), and
    • reinstate AIDS kills Fags dead to that page as was universally agreed to by everyone but him. JtdIrL 03:31 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree with the honorable member's position. Zoe brought the issue to Jimbo's attention and to the mailing list, so there is much discussion and a resolution to be found in due course. --The Cunctator
No. Another falsehood. There was a discussion and a solution which Cunctator deliberately destroyed by (a) renaming the page after most people had agreed on a replacement name suggested by Stevertigo and were adding to its contents, (b) creating a dodgy replacement POV article so that the page could not be restored to its agreed location. Zoe and everyone else isn't looking for a discussion - there was one. And a solution. They are complaining about Cunctator's outrageous and deliberate scrapping of the agreed solution so he can use his 'pet name', one which Jimbo has suggested is in clear breach of Wiki naming conventions. In restoring the pages to the agreed format through the delete mentioned above, you'll simply be restoring the pages to the consensus state and location agreed after days of debate. So please delete Homophobic hate speech to allow 'AIDS Kills Fags Dead' slogan to be put where it was agreed to be put. JtdIrL 05:17 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)
  • Ben Hajioff
    • Phew, that was close! I've been a sysop for less than 24 hours, and I just caught myself within one mouse-click of violating Wikipedia policy!!! ("As a general rule, don't delete pages you nominate for deletion. Let someone else do it.") Ben Hajioff is a redirect which leads out of the main article space, and therefore should not be in the article space itself. But since I was the one to bring the matter up, please could someone else delete it? You may think I'm being absurdly over-cautious here, but hey, it's the thin end of the wedge. You know what they say about the effect of power... :) -- Oliver P. 02:39 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
  • EucliD
    • I did not post this one here. Should not be deleted. olivier 00:31 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
    • Sorry, that was me. Euclid is valuable; do we need the CamelCase EucliD, with no links to it? Catherine
  • Valley of the Kings
    • empty, after nonsense was removed. Nevertheless, there should be an entry under this title. I suggest the deletion of this entry until someone writes something decent about it. olivier 00:28 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
  • Willie O'Ree
    • Empty, after vandalism was removed. Contains no substantive history. --Minesweeper 01:25 Mar 4, 2003 (UTC)
  • List of songs where the title does not appear in the lyrics (and related)
    • This is Everything2ish. While it might be fun, it's trivia and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Also, these lists will necessarily become overwhelmingly long when it's more than the pet bands of a few contributors; if people started adding in all of the songs from many different musical genres and locations. It's not like these songs are a rare occurence, anyway. DanKeshet 21:28 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
      • Who says trivia has no place in an encyclopedia, and who are you proposing should be the judege of what's trivial and what isn't? If you just have a look at the edit history of this article, you will see that a great many Wikipedians consider this a very interesting topic. Mkweise 21:42 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
        • I'm going by Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not #11: "List repository of loosely associated topics". As for who should be the judge, I'm not going to propose any new decision-making policy; I followed normal procedures and put it on votes for deletion for discussion. As for the fact that many people find it interesting, that is not and has never been one of the criteria for whether something stays in Wikipedia. Many people on Wikipedia find long, drawn-out debates interesting, but we try to discourage that stuff anyway, because this is an encyclopedia and not a debate forum. DanKeshet 22:08 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
    • Absolutely not - do not delete this list. It has seen ample contributors and is as suitable for an encylopedia as any other "list of" article.
    • I agree that this should be deleted. The moment I saw this article I burst out laughing. Some lists are useful but this is one step too far. It is irrelevant trivia that hardly belongs in an encyclopædia but some music magazine. What next? A list of left-handed rock stars? People with six toes? World leaders who dye their hair? JtdIrL 21:45 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
    • I see nothing wrong with the article. Im sure Jtdirl and Stevertigo-Zoe will soon reach a consensus. Susan Mason
  • List of people with six toes please delete. This list garbage is getting childish and ridiculous. JtdIrL 22:16 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
    • This is an excellent list. It should not be deleted. Susan Mason
    • Surprise, surprise, Sue approves!
    • It may be a new and undeveloped page, but how is it ridiculous? After a few revisions and edits it could turn into the heart of a new article on polydactlism. If nothing else, a list like this could help some poor teenager who is struggling with their six toes understand that it is "ok" and give them role models.
      • If it is written as a serious article on polydactlism, using serious sources, with credible evidence, keep it, but if like so many lists it is just a mixum-gatherum of names put in for the fun of it, then bin it. This isn't a scribble board for messing on, it is supposed to be a serious encyclopædia. JtdIrL
    • Keep this list. Its fascinating to know which famous people could count beyond 20. Gaz 02:44 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)~
    • Maybe Jtdirl doesn't like people with 6 toes? What serious article on polydactlism would not include a list of people with 6 toes on one foot?Susan Mason
    • I am sorry you do not like the wikipedia. You should remember that this is a work in progress. If you would like to contribute, feel free to add to the article regarding famous people with 6 toes. Susan Mason
    • Stop deliberately misrepresenting what I said, Sue. I love the wiki. I just hate seeing it making a laughing stock of itself with some people's play-acting. A serious article would contain a list. A joke of an article would just be a list with no content, explanation, etc. What we have here is a joke article, made up of a list of four names, offering no explanation, no evidence, nothing but four names, one spelt incorrectly (which I fixed). Some article. JtdIrL 05:27 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
      • While you've all been bickering, I've made a start on polydactyly. :) Please check it; I haven't studied biology formally since GCSE... Anyway, I think a waffly article and a straightforward list can easily co-exist, each linking to the other and providing complementary information. -- Oliver P. 06:47 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
  • Table of Derivatives and Indefinite Integrals orphan, title violates capitalization guidelines. Misleadinging redirects to Table of integrals, which, though it does have indefinite integrals, has no derivatives and has some definite integrals, too. Eric119 23:37 Mar 5, 2003 (UTC)
    • How does it 'violate capitalisation guidelines' given that correctly in a title it treats the words 'Derivatives' and 'Indefinite Integrals' as proper nouns? Proper nouns in wiki are given capitals in titles. JtdIrL
      • Neither 'derivative' nor 'indefinite integral' is a proper noun. Eric119 05:24 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
      • It depends on context of usage. In some contexts, in particular when used in titles, they are capitalised, particularly in some European textbooks when used as definitions.
  • User:JCWF This was my old userpage, that I thought had been deleted
  • User:Jcwf2 This is the one I have recently created. I do not wish to participate any longer. The reason is that wikipedia does not legally exist, which means that all liability for any possible breaches of copy rights lie with us all personally. Without any legal protection from a legally registered organization I deem that irresponsible.
If you are not breaking the law then why is this an issue? What does "legally registered" supposed to mean anyway? We will be a non-profit soon and until then we are owned by Jimbo Wales. --mav
I suppose the fear is that someone inadvertently might download something they understood' was available, then find it wasn't and find themselves personally in legal difficulties. JtdIrL 02:56 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

'NOTE: Page is now 31kb - needs to be cut or it will not be accessible

Done. --mav 03:56 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)
Not sure what your browser's problem is, but mine (Mozilla/Phoenix) can access this page just fine, and it's currently 41.59 KB (42592 bytes). I view pages in the hundreds of kB all the time, and never have any trouble with that. Mkweise 05:32 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

I browser (and I know some others have the same problem) cuts off at 32. If you open a page then save it, it automatically loses the end of the text. 32 is the upper limit for many browsers. JtdIrL 05:42 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

  • Nucular
    • pointless
    • Don't know who included this, but I agree with them. - Zoe
    • Also don't know who included this, but I do not agree with them. - Hephaestos
    • A superb page. Susan Mason
    • Don't think it should be in wiki -- SGB
  • Union County Magnet High School
    • Equally pointless. -- Zoe
    • Why? It's a moderately informative article about an educational institution. It could become very useful for someone looking for a school in the Scotch Plains, NJ area, when the article has grown a bit. -- Oliver P. 03:58 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
    • A great article. Susan Mason
    • the DuPont Manual Magnet High School page has been in existence for nearly a year, how come that wasnt put up for deletion?
  • List of books without an article in the title
    • There are far too many such books to make a comprehensive list at all useful or even interesting. In order to have trivia value, a list of special cases in a category needs to be limited, such that the "average reader" wouldn't be able to think of more than a handfull without wracking his brain. Mkweise 21:13 Mar 7, 2003 (UTC)
Blame Ed Poor. A look (a few pages back) at his user contributions shows creation of some lovely lists, including a list of literary characters with nine fingers. -- ヤギ
  • Spongebob Squarepants - it is debatable whether we need this. But whatever about a paragraph about this programme, Michael is creating separate pages about each EPISODE of the programme, with next to no useful content, certainly not enough to qualify for an individual page.

The content of one of these entries includes: Hall Monitor: Mrs. Puff finally chose Spongebob to be hall monitor of the day!...

[long and ultimately irrelevent discussion about merits of these pages snipped (it's in the history if anybody really wants it preserved)]

...But on a more serious note, I see that mav blanked at least one of the episode pages for a possible copyright infringement[1]. Michael restored it, but there's no explanation on the talk page. If the pages are copyright infringements, then we don't even need to discuss their merits. -- Oliver P. 07:35 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)

Every single one of the episode pages is stolen from [[2]].

They all should go. -- Zoe

Indeed they should, for copyright reasons. As well as the above there is Grandma's Kisses / Squidville, The Great Snail Race / Mid-Life Crustacean and Hooky / Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy II. I've cut out the long discussion about the merits of Spongebob Squarepants articles, by the way, partly to keep the size of this page down, and partly because it really doesn't matter - they're copyright infringements anyway (all of them by User:Michael, by the way). --Camembert 13:12 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
  • List of words commonly mispronounced
    • Irredeemably POV. Salvageable contents should be transferred to List of words of disputed pronunciation. -- Oliver P. 09:11 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
    • There no reason to claim that this list is "irredeemably POV". OK, it's yet another list of fairly trival stuff, but it has interest and already contains useful information. If not forced to waste time constantly defending themselves against destructive edits, the peope who are interested in this stuff could do something good with this page. Tannin 09:21 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
    • OK, but how do you resolve differences in pronunciation between different countries? American English speakers may well pronounce minute(adjective) as my-noot, but no British English speaker would. The response "ah, but that's because they mispronounce it" seems to miss the point slightly. Merriam-Webster gives the pronunciation as either mI-'nüt or mI-'nyüt. The word 'mispronounced' cannot be NPOV unless compared against some standard. It can then only be used relative to this standard, e.g. Words that are commonly mispronounced with respect to their formal pronunciation as given in OED, or Merriam-Webster, etc etc etc. Which just turns it into a dictionary war. cferrero 13:08 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
    • Seems to me that if either Merriam-Webster or OED list a particular variant, then that variant must be regarded as one of the correct ones. (It might not be correct in both UK & International English, but if it's correct in either one then it's a valid variant usage.) If it's not listed in OED or Merriam-Webster or Macquarie, then it just about has to be incorrect. My feeling is that any word consistently pronounced in a way that none of the major dictionaries recommend has got to be an interesting one! -- Tannin
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