Talk:List of command and control abbreviations

RSTA, STA, ISTAR, C4ISR, etc (disambig)

It seems to me that it's about time this article became a {{disambig}} point for the related articles, perhaps also RSTA. Thoughts? ... aa:talk 16:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it'd be better if all the related articles were just redirects to here. It makes no sense to have many overlapping sets of these concepts described individually - it's silly to discuss (for example) Intelligence in both C4I and ISTAR. If the article gets too big, I'd vote for each of the individual concepts to have a page of their own with this article explaining the various ways they are grouped together. --Khendon 18:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically, RSTA is large enough to be its own article. I think some pieces of that article are redundant however, and could be discussed here. I also think that the mention of the C4ISR journal makes this more likely to be a dab page. Perhaps some sort of hybrid dab page, that indicates what each of the individual components of C4ISTAR are, with possible meanings below? It's kind of tough given the jargon soup out there. ... aa:talk 20:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could this and a few other articles be replaced by a general article about the history and practice of military command and control? The list of acronyms shouldn't be much more than a footnote. —Michael Z. 2006-08-07 19:36 Z

Some clean-up & merger seems to be required between this theme of acronyms. A simple merger will likely be inadequate. I propose discussion occur here. I am aware that these acronyms are used in US, UK, and Canadian militaries (and I assume within other NATO & ABCA militaries). However, the different militaries apply them differently and individual doctrines dictate if one will emphasize C3ISR or C4ISTAR, and if one will call it RISTA or ISTAR. -- MCG 03 Sept 06

What is real?

Which of these are actually widely used in military training or theory? It seems to me that C3I is a real abstraction of a military commander's problem. But "computers" are just a tool used in C3I (it's not like we had C2R "command, control and runners" replaced by C3IR "command, control, communications and radios"). Surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance are just ways of acquiring intelligence, no?

All get used, it just depends on which military one is referring too (and even which element within the military). I've even seem explanations that apply an acronym to a specific scale (ie: STAR or STANO are sub unit concerns, ISTAR & STANO are battle group concerns, etc). -- MCG 03 Sept 06