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You got some news about the death of Warren Zevon I haven't heard about? Cos AFAIK he ain't dead. Ahhhhwwwoooowwwww Mintguy

Thanks for the kind words, Toker. -- Zoe


Oops, I re-created Talk:List of year in MTV while replying to it... sorry for the mistake, but this concurrent editing sometimes has a life of its own! :-) At18 19:48 Feb 16, 2003 (UTC) rg

Didn't give us much of a chance to earn the coolness points, did you? --TWFKAKQ when he's logged out.

Aaw, I'll give 'em to you anyway. You are now tied with Jerry Gladden of Eugene, Oregon and Caroline O'Rhea of Dublin, Ireland. Congrats. Tuf-Kat
Wow! I can't wait to cash these in. You do cash them in somewhere, right? Oh wait, I'm only up to -22 now.  ;-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Hello TUF-KAT welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the ... oh wait. --mav

Even fluorescent brown? I'm not entering unless there's a fluorescent brown.... Well, maybe if you have one that's octarine. Koyaanis Qatsi

Hey, does this new name mean you no longer care if I met Timothy Leary? Danny

I don't know about solving world hunger or Dubya, but I can certainly move over your watchlist, contribs, and sysop status. I'll get right on that perpetual motion machine too... ;) --Brion 08:01 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

Okay, your watchlist and sysop status are moved over. I'll fix your edit attributions after backing up the database. --Brion 08:52 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)
Reattributed your previous edits to the new account. --Brion 21:07 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

I'm surprised anyone found your usernic offensive. The only names that realistically could be judged as offensive are those that explicitly mocked beliefs, sexuality, race or gender. I certainly wouldn't worry about DW: I think he needs his head examined. As for your taste in what you smoke, no big deal. I have dabbled there myself, but because I have epilepsy I can't do so again, as it can counteract anti-epilepsy tablets and bring on fits. I'm restricted to 'straight' tobacco these days!!! JTD 20:18 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

*raises hand* I must admit that I didn't like it, actually. I just never said anything because I didn't want to cause a fuss... Anyway, Mr. KAT, I commend your decision to respect the sensibilities of whoever it was that e-mailed you, and of course of those who think it makes the place look more professional now! -- Oliver P., uncool and proud of it. :)

AAAAGH. YOU are going to HAVE to change that name!!! Everytime I see it, I suddenly hear the theme tune from the cartoon 'Top Cat' blaring in my head. *big big smile* JTD 08:24 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)

Hey, Toker, can you do me a favor? Email me.

What happened to Stevertigo? Koyaanis Qatsi 01:00 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)
Hm, ok then. thanks.... Koyaanis Qatsi

Thanks TUF, - and I disagree with JTD - your new name reminds me of TUFF-SHED, not Top Cat. -Vertigo

Oh. Heh. missed the intro paragraph (trust me, I was *not* trying to give that film pride of place--actually I think it's clumsy & ham-handed). Koyaanis Qatsi

Well, the Dude does mention an occasional acid flashback.  :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Thanks for setting an example of self-sacrifice. It's not easy to give up a name. --Uncle Ed 21:18 Feb 19, 2003 (UTC)

--- About the Wagner thing, I really don't care what link is there, but I do find it a little disturbing to follow Clutch's link: http://reactor-core.org/judaism/ I'm not sure this is the kind of site we want to link to for NPOV articles. Danny 03:28 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Like I said, I don't really care either way. Danny 03:38 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

Changed my mind. The site he is linking to is a White Power site. Check out Yggdrasil. http://home.ddc.net/ygg/ Danny

And I went out on a prairie, and as far as I could see // was nobody on that prairie that looked like me 

-- Langston Hughes & Taj Mahal
And the sad thing, is scanning those sites, is that whatever truth is in is marginalized - rarely dealt with as an issue elsewhere; thus these issues are left to racists, or quasiracists - I frankly don't those people as being much different than any other ethnocentrists anywhere, except that they have coordinated color-schemes. That site by the way seems to tow a very slick line - the high road to racism, as it were.
Close associations, indeed, there are racists at every family reunion. How many times has Billy Graham slept in the Lincoln bedroom? -'Vert

Exactly - the tricky part is when people use the rhetorical codewords of race to maintain certain ethnic divisions, while trying to grease others - all intent on keeping people down of course.. [1] (halfway down) -'Vert

Hi TK, I don't think changing the word 'with' to 'on' on the [UN . . . Iraq] page solves the problem. on and with are both used, the former by anti-war people, the latter by pro-war people. So we have just moved one POV and replaced it for another. I've another suggestion: instead call it ' The UN Security Council and the proposed Iraq war'. That way you avoid any hint of bias, by dropping all words that could be seen as in any way expressing a POV and instead calling it a term that all sides would be able to use: the Proposed Iraq War. What do you think? JTD 00:38 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)

Toke, do you mind, freezing the Jewish ethnocentrism article? Edit war going nowhere... -'Vert

Eh, but he is an American from South Africa.  ;-)

An excellent point... reminds me of a conversation with a friend of mine who said something about African-Americans being taken as slaves, and it took him a minute to realize they weren't African-American until they got to America. Tuf-Kat

That reminds me of the story of a US journalist from a network that banned the word 'black' as politically incorrect. She wanted to ask Nelson Mandela the sort of discrimination he had experienced as a black man in apartheid South Africa. But could not say black. And definitely couldn't say coloured. So ended up saying "What sort of discrimination did you experience as an . . . em . . . African-American in South Africa?" Mandela looked at her in disbelief, then burst into a fit of laughter that lasted most of the interview! JTD 02:22 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

I'm so glad you fixed that. Been bugging me for weeks (I added Huey P. Newton, for example). Somehow I didn't have the guts to speak plainly. I wonder sometimes why they don't list Marx Bros as black--after all, they promoted black musicians in their movies.
Thanks, Arthur 02:26 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC) --- :)

Its like Irish-Americans and Irish people; eg, the war we had here over my page on the Irish famine. Irish-Americans tend to have a rather black and white analysis, based around '700 years of British oppression' 'British genocide in Ireland' etc, whereas Irish people tend to cringe at what is perceived as their simplistic and frequently dubious theories. Whereas we see Irish Americans as rather poorly informed on Ireland, believing in simplistic theories of 'gaelic-speaking catholic-speaking Ireland' and coming to Ireland wearing green blazers to sing republican songs in tourist pubs and kiss the Blarney stone, they see the native Irish as 'puppets of British rule', 'west-brits' and 'traitors' (Or tories, as I was called in Wiki once), who are betraying their motherland, nationalism and catholicism.


A gang of friends of mine once 'freaked out' some green clad Irish-Americans by claiming how Ireland was about to rejoin the commonwealth, how we would accept the Queen as 'Queen of Ireland' and how we wanted to put the famous 'King Billy' statue blown up by the IRA decades ago back, and take down the statue of nationalist hero Thomas Davis that replaced it. - Taking down that statue would be a god-send: it takes Davis look like Frankenstein! - In a final twist, they brought them into a pub, all drank budweiser (to the Americans' horror; they believed everyone in Ireland drank Guinness!) before revealing that they were in a gay bar (true), that they were all gay (false) and that the next president of Ireland may well be a prominent gay senator (possibly true). The yanks probably needed to see their shrinks when they went back states-side! (They should have brought them to Dun Laoghaire, which recently restored a magnificant monument to Queen Victoria that the IRA tried to blow up some years ago!) JTD 02:43 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Good Lord. :[> -'Vert P.s. A sign of the times: Watching music videos without sound. pps: Unless you object - our comments should be copied to the Talk:CM page :]

In your list of quotes, which wikipedia page is "The equations y = f(x) and x = g(y) ..." from? I'll see if I can fix it. -- Tarquin 23:55 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

Looks like it's Inverse functions and differentiation. The entire PAGE doesn't make much sense to me, personally, but with my math skills, that's not saying much. -- nknight 01:11 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
Nor to me. I think it's all covered elsewhere; and it's not a very good article title either. I'll stick it in a todo list... -- Tarquin 10:00 Feb 25, 2003 (UTC)
You thought that was weird? When you wrote "...funny because it makes absolutely no sense to me -- none, and I tested out of the math requirements for an English major in college", the part that made no sense to me was "I tested out of the math requirements for an English major in college". I could figure out the mathematical meanings quite easily, but that aside of yours is just crawling with too much US-oriented cultural context for me to make sense of. I have been told what an "English major" is, but I have no idea what "testing out" of requirements for one is. Does it mean you were found to have enough mathematical comprehension beforehand so you didn't need the specialist area? or that you were given the specialist area and passed it? or what? PML.
Yes, I'm trying to confuse all non-Americans. I have a dastardly plan... It just means I had to take a test to see where I should start taking math classes in college (a placement test) and my score was just barely high enough to place me in classes which I didn't need to take because I wasn't studying math. Hope that clarifies things... Tuf-Kat


I plan to start my musical career tommorrow. I think I'll play the armonica. Susan Mason

Hey there: Thanks for fixing the name of When Stella Got Her Groove Back to How Stella Got Her Groove Back. If it's a good fix, I dont mind so dont worry about it.

Thanks, and God bless you!

Sincerely yours,

So has my Coolness Quotient gone up now? ;) I haven't met anyone famous myself, but my sister has met Leeroy from The Prodigy, just as a bit more family-related name dropping... :) My sister was friends with an unsigned Essex-based band called Real TV, which split up a few years ago. Apparently Leeroy is now doing some work with Johnny out of Real TV, so I think that's how my sister got to meet him. According to this page, Kieron from Real TV has also worked with The Prodigy. Is it okay to write about unsigned bands here, by the way? I might try to interrogate my sister and try to write something about Real TV, but I'm not sure how easily verifiable the information would be, since they never became very famous, except locally. -- Oliver P. 11:03 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

Oh, and she's spoken to Liam Howlett on the telephone, too, having got his telephone number from my dad, who got it from Liam's stepmother, who worked as a receptionist in my dad's surgery at the time... :) At the time, my sister wanted to become a sound recordist after she left school, and so she asked Mr. Howlett if she could do work experience for him. It never happened, though... -- Oliver P. 11:12 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)

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thanks for the changes to the rocksteady page (dunno how i missed the ampersand..!) my first page, woohoo. just found wikipedia, incredible site! --jonsed

Hope this is the right place; I ran across the Suicidal Tendencies page that has every album linked to an article with just a track listing. Since this seemed to be contrary to guidelines I thought I'd mention it to someone who knows more about the music project.... Catherine

Fair enough -- if only we could motivate them to add more. I'm a fanatic about certain bands myself, but I don't think 'every' album deserves a writeup. Catherine

I made some major changes to the Family article, which involved a major re-write of your most recent contribution. I thought you were adding useful content, but which had real NPOV issues. I tried to address that, but I hope I didn't leave out any of the useful content you put in, and I hope my change isn't too confusing... Slrubenstein

Hey, TUF -- Not disagreeing with you, but where do you get your info on Frankie Lymon's death? imdb (which, I know, isn't the ultimate authority) has him dying on February 27. -- Zoe


Sorry Tuf. I was reverting the IP user who added something all in CAPS -- or at least I thought I was. -- Tarquin 14:12 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

Check out the new Roots CD when you get a chance. Well worth a listen.

If somebody doesn't beat me to it, I'll try to do an article onSoap in a couple of days. -- Zoe

Hey, TUF, amazon.com has Best of Soap: Who Killed Peter and The Best of Soap - Jessica's Wonderful Life on VHS, but I don't see anywhere that has a complete set. -- Zoe

OK, TUF, I took a crack at Soap (sitcom). Let me know what you think. -- Zoe

Hey TUF -- thanks for the words of support! JHK (the occasional lurker)

Hey,Tuffy! Can you look at Ira Hayes? I added a song quote, but I'm wondering what people think in terms of copyright problems. Thanks. (btw, saw Bowie and Ray Davies last week, doing a duet of Waterloo Sunset"--incredible!) Danny

Thanks! Danny

Check out Talking Timbuktu by Ali Farka Toure and Ry Cooder, if you haven't already.

Hey, TUF. Any possibility we can change Saturday Night Live soundtrack to either Saturday Night Live (soundtrack) or Saturday Night Live (album)? Has this been discussed on the Wikipedia albums page? -- Zoe

Thanks. I did a search, and they were the only two not already redirected. -- Zoe

Hi, I saw you were uploading some album covers (and very nice too) - I take it there is some agreement we can do this under fair use without getting people freaked out about copyright? I'd love to do a few but was not sure who to ask, hope you don;t mind? Thanks Nevilley 08:33 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)

Yee-ha! Thanks! :) Nevilley 09:40 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)

Appreciate the additions to MTV Unplugged in New York. -- Ô¿Ô

Oh, and since you know a fair bit about fair use... there are some pictures of various filmmakers and actors I'd like to upload, that currently reside on IMDB. Are they okay to upload? -- Ô¿Ô 09:05 Mar 13, 2003 (UTC)

What's up with the self-redirecting article about rocks? Is it just a test of Wikipedia's ability to handle long-chain redirects, or is there something more to it? --Paul A 06:12 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)

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